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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The late Fr. Christopher Rabay, O.Cist. of Dallas, saying what I say to almost every penitent in Confession. <a href="https://t.co/CWuudSOEfi">pic.twitter.com/CWuudSOEfi</a></p>— Pater Edmund (@sancrucensis) <a href="https://twitter.com/sancrucensis/status/989093360181837824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do we really want peace? Then let’s ban all weapons so we don’t have to live in fear of war.</p>— Pope Francis (@Pontifex) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/990553785415200773?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Do we really want peace? Then let’s ban all weapons so we don’t have to live in fear of war.</p>— Pope Francis (@Pontifex) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/990553785415200773?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Wtf?

Not to pick on the Holy Father in particular, but I’m getting really sick of thea ticket, social media, group think “we.” The absolute worst is “we’re better than this.” It makes everything sound like political propaganda.
 

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The NYT's Ross Douthat just published an article titled "Make Catholicism Weird Again":

In 1904, during a debate in France over the anticlerical government’s takeover of church property, a young Marcel Proust wrote an essay for Le Figaro inviting readers to imagine a future in which the Catholic Church vanished completely from his country’s memory, leaving only the bones of French cathedrals as its monuments.

Then he further imagined the cultured elites of some future France rediscovering the texts and chants and rubrics of Catholic liturgy, and in a spasm of enraptured aestheticism, restoring the cathedrals and training actors to recreate the Tridentine Rite Mass. In his vision, like devotees of Wagner making pilgrimage, “caravans of swells make their way to … Amiens, Chartres, Bourges, Laon, Rheims, Rouen, Paris,” and inside France’s Gothic churches “they experience the feeling they once sought in Bayreuth … enjoying a work of art in the very setting that had been built for it.”

But of course the recreated Catholic liturgy and revived Catholic aesthetic would never be the real thing; the actors might know their roles, and the incense might waft thick, but attendees could “only ever be curious dilettantes; try as they might, the soul of times past does not dwell within them.”

Proust’s essay, lately translated by Catholic traditionalists, came to mind while watching the beautiful and blasphemous spectacle at the Met Gala on Monday night, where a parade of stars and fashionistas swanned about in costumes inspired by the aesthetics of Catholicism, while a wide variety of genuinely Catholic articles, from vestments to tiaras, were displayed in a Met exhibit titled “Heavenly Bodies: Fashion and the Catholic Imagination.

Like Proust’s “caravans of swells” attending liturgical performances, the attendees at the Met were paying a cultural homage to the aesthetic riches of the Roman Church — when, of course, they weren’t sexing them up for shock value. But the spectacle was not exactly Proust’s prophecy come to life, because unlike in his thought experiment, Catholicism today remains a living faith — weakened but hardly gone, with as complicated a relationship to its own traditions as any lapsed-Catholic museum curator or celebrity dressing up as the Maid of Orleans.

This complication is apparent in the Catholic response to the Met Gala itself, which consisted of an institutional blessing for the spectacle — not just Cardinal Timothy Dolan opening the museum exhibit, but the Sistine Chapel Choir performing for the swells and starlets in the evening — followed by an angry Catholic social-media backlash against the evening’s various impieties. When a living faith gets treated like a museum piece, it’s hard for its adherents to know whether to treat the moment as an opportunity for outreach or for outrage.

But the complexity runs much deeper, because to the extent that part of the Proustian prophecy has come true, to the extent that elements of the Catholic tradition have turned into archaic curiosities to be rediscovered by aesthetes and donned lewdly by Rihanna, the choices made by the church’s own leaders have played as much of a role as the anticlericalism of Proust’s era.

It was the church’s own leadership that decided, in the years following the Second Vatican Council, that the attachment to the church as culture had become an impediment to the mission of preaching the gospel in the modern world. It was the leadership that embraced a different approach, in which Catholic Christianity would seek to enter more fully into modern culture, adopting its styles and habits — modernist and even brutalist church architecture, casual dress, guitar music, a general suburban and Protestant affect, etc. — in order to effectively transform it from within. It was the leadership that decided that much of what Proust depicted as Catholicism’s cultural glory — the old Mass above all, but also a host of customs and costumes and rituals — needed to be retired in order to reach people in a more disenchanted age.

This idea was hardly absurd in theory; from Roman Empire days through missionary efforts, Christianity had often advanced through inculturation, importing a consistent religious message into varying cultural forms.

But Catholicism’s attempt to do the same with modern culture since the 1960s has largely seemed to fail. The secular culture welcomed the church’s Protestantization and demystification and even secularization, praised the bishops and theologians who pursued it, and then simply pocketed the concessions and ignored the religious ideas those concessions were supposed to advance. Meanwhile, that same secular world maintained a consistent fascination, from “The Exorcist” down to, well, the Met Gala, with all the weirder parts of Catholicism that were supposedly a stumbling block to modernity’s conversion.

This failure, and how exactly Catholics should interpret it, helps frame the debates roiling the church in the age of Pope Francis. One theory is that the evidence of the last 50 years suggests that modern culture is inherently anti-religious or anti-Catholic in some abiding way, which means the attempt to adopt its cultural forms and “accompany” its denizens will inevitably end in dissolution for the church itself.

Thus the only plausible approach for Catholicism is to offer itself, not as a chaplaincy within modern liberalism, but as a full alternative culture in its own right — one that reclaims the inheritance on display at the Met, glories in its own weirdness and supernaturalism, and spurns both accommodations and entangling alliances (including the ones that conservative Catholics have forged with libertarian-inflected right-wing political movements).

The other view is that in fact inculturation has not gone far enough, that the church may have changed its liturgy and costumes, but it’s still held back by its abstract dogmas and arid legalisms, and that one final great leap into modernity, a renewed commitment to accompaniment and understanding and adaptation, is necessary for the church to gain what it sought when it began its great demystification project 50 years ago.

As pontiff, Francis has been on both sides of these debates. The radicalism of his economic and ecological vision, often portrayed as simply liberal, actually represents a kind of left-leaning pessimism that arguably points backward to the strenuous critiques of modernity issued by 19th-century popes. And at times this radicalism has been matched by his willingness to join conservative members of his flock in culture war — as recently in the Alfie Evans case in England, where the pope ended up in a public conflict with the more culturally accommodating sort of Catholic over whether to defer to medical professionals and deprive a brain-damaged toddler of oxygen because his life was judged no longer worth sustaining.

But only at times; on many other fronts, the Francis era has been a springtime for accommodation and inculturation, and especially for the secularizing and Protestantizing German Catholicism that helped forge the original revolution of the 1960s, and whose leaders believe that only further modernization can refill their empty churches.

Under German influence, but with the pope’s implicit blessing, Catholic rules on divorce and now perhaps intercommunion may be joining the Latin Mass and meatless Fridays on the altar of sacrifices to the culture of the modern world.

Meanwhile in the case of the opulent style of Catholic fashion on display at the Met Gala, it is very clear where Francis stands. As Tara Isabella Burton points out in an astute piece for Vox, it’s the pope’s traditionalist adversaries who are more likely to don the sort of “heavenly” garb being feted and imitated at the Met — while from his own simple choice of dress to his constant digs at overdressed clerics and fancy traditionalists, the pope believes that baroque Catholicism belongs in a museum or at a costume gala, and that the church’s future lies in the simple, the casual, the austere and the plain.

For this, as for his doctrine-shaking innovations, Francis has won admiring press. But as with the last wave of Catholic revolution, there is little evidence that the modernizing project makes moderns into Catholics. (The latest Gallup data, for instance, shows American Mass attendance declining faster in the Francis era.)

Instead, the quest for accommodation seems to encourage moderns to divide their sense of what Catholicism represents in two — into an Old Church that’s frightening and fascinating in equal measure, and a New Church that’s a little more liked but much more easily ignored.

Francis and other would-be modernizers are right, and have always been right, that Catholic Christianity should not trade on fear. But a religion that claims to be divinely established cannot persuade without a lot of fascination, and far too much of that has been given up, consigned to the museum, as Western Catholicism has traced its slow decline.

Here the Met Gala should offer the faith from which it took its theme a little bit of inspiration. The path forward for the Catholic Church in the modern world is extraordinarily uncertain. But there is no plausible path that does not involve more of what was displayed and appropriated and blasphemed against in New York City Monday night, more of what once made Catholicism both great and weird, and could yet make it both again.
 

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Thus the only plausible approach for Catholicism is to offer itself, not as a chaplaincy within modern liberalism, but as a full alternative culture in its own right — one that reclaims the inheritance on display at the Met, glories in its own weirdness and supernaturalism, and spurns both accommodations and entangling alliances (including the ones that conservative Catholics have forged with libertarian-inflected right-wing political movements).

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JOHN T. NOONAN, JR., ON THE CATHOLIC CONSCIENCE AND WAR: NEGRE V. LARSEN
https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/...e.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1554&context=ndlr

Noonan was a Circuit Court judge, a U.S. Appeals Court judge, taught law at Notre Dame and at Cal-Berkley. While at Berkley, Noonan represented John Negre, a Catholic conscientious objector who insisted that the Church's just war theory forbade participation in the Vietnam War. Noonan continued to file briefs, but, after hearing argument, the Supreme Court ruled against Negre in Gillette v. United States (1971).

Gillette v. United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillette_v._United_States

Noonan was the 1984 recipient of the Laetare Medal, by Notre Dame in recognition of outstanding service to the Roman Catholic Church. Noonan has served as a consultant for several agencies in the Catholic Church, including Pope Paul VI’s Commission on Problems of the Family, and the U.S. Catholic Conference’s committees on moral values, law and public policy, law and life issues. He also has been director of the National Right to Life Committee.

Judge Noonan died in 2017 at the age of 90.

Former Laetare Medalist Judge John T. Noonan to deliver address at Notre Dame’s Commencement
https://news.nd.edu/news/former-lae...-deliver-address-at-notre-dames-commencement/

Also in the ND Law Review, he authored:
Abortion and the Catholic Church: A Summary
https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/...ticle=1125&context=nd_naturallaw_forumHistory
 
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A great article was linked in the NYT article as well:
The affair of Fr. Patrick Conroy's tendered and withdrawn resignation as chaplain of the House of Representatives is one of those regrettable incidents in our public life that nevertheless has the virtue of bringing to light certain things that most politicians would prefer to be kept in the dark.

Among these is the tenuous strength of the Republican alliance between Catholics and evangelical Protestants born of supposedly shared values. In fact, few shared values exist.

The most cited example is their supposedly mutual opposition to abortion. For a Catholic there is rigorously defined teaching about what it means to affirm that human beings are made in God's image and possessed of an inherent metaphysical dignity; this is why we reject not only abortion but artificial birth control and eugenics and in-vitro fertilization and cloning, and why we insist upon the just wage and the harmonious cooperation of social classes; why, in the face of the mass exterminations of the 20th century the modern popes have (perhaps too forcefully) cautioned against use of the death penalty. Among evangelicals, who only recently decided that abortion should be illegal and in many cases grant so-called "exceptions" that permit the murder of children so long as they were conceived in sufficiently barbarous circumstances, this opposition is a crudely fideistic, if welcome, development. It exists in complete isolation from the other propositions about human nature that for Catholics make it comprehensible. This is why it is also difficult to make sense of the Protestant strictures against homosexuality except as a species of bigotry, appearing as it does against a backdrop of tacit, and at times explicit, approval of divorce, concubinage, contraception, and other disordered practices within marriage, fornication, and self-abuse.

Seemingly in exchange for the cooperation of evangelicals, conservative American Catholics have abandoned one of the great jewels in the crown of the Church, her modern social magisterium, the tradition that runs from Pope Pius IX's denunciation of Victorian-era classical liberalism to Pope Francis' Heideggerian assault on the merciless logic of globalized technocratic capitalism. For evangelicals, the idea that there is a common good toward which the political order must be oriented — and that this mutual flourishing cannot be conceived of as the mere aggregate of millions of individuals pursuing their own material interests with limited interference from the state — has no basis in theology. In return for evangelicals' acknowledgement of one evil, Catholics have learned to ignore what the Church has to tell them about how we are to live in the world with one another.
What Catholics have sacrificed by allying with Republican evangelicals
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">oh no my mom was visiting rome and she asked pope francis if her muu muu made her look fat and he said no you look wonderful and im afraid that he changed church doctrine about not lying what can i do</p>— Draconis Vigor (@ConfiteorDeo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ConfiteorDeo/status/998653760565075970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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So late last night, my pregnant wife (expecting IrishLion cub #2 in October) requested dessert. I will not deny a pregnant lady a late-night craving, especially when I get a chocolate milkshake out of the trip myself, so I did my duty and went through a drive-thru.

I got home and unbagged her piece of pecan pie, only to find that the slice was not just infinitesimal, but had a large chunk out of the tip, almost as if someone had broken off a piece. Usually I'd say "what's done is done," but dammit I was pissed off. I paid $3 for this slice of pie, and the drive-thru was only 5 minutes away, so I went back out to make sure my wife would be fulfilled by the dessert that I had already paid for.

I got a new slice, much prettier and not missing any substance, and went back home. As I was driving into the neighborhood, I noticed a car slooooooowly rolling down the street. Then a shadow darted in front of my car... a dog, and I barely missed running it over. I then drove home slowly as the dog continued to chase my car, passing back-and-forth in front of me. I now assumed that the car slooooowly driving through the neighborhood as I had turned onto my street was most likely someone looking for the dog, but it was rainy and very dark, so they didn't see the dog after it began chasing my car.

I pulled into my driveway, and the dog sprinted past my car and started doing zoomies in my front yard. This dog was very obviously happy to have found momentary freedom to roam the neighborhood. She was a boxer, and she kept doing zoomies right past my legs, so I started to call for her as I noticed the car that had been looking for her was slowly coming down my street.

The dog came to me and immediately sat at my feet, expecting pets. I crouched down and put my arm around her while petting her to keep her from escaping, and waved frantically at the car to signal that I had the dog... but the car drove away before it got to my cul-de-sac! So I stayed crouched with the dog, wondering if I could bring it in my house to grab a leash without it running away, and if my dog would get pissed and try to fight her, or if they would become best friends.

But then the car's reverse lights lit up just before it was out of site, it backed up, turned around, and then pulled fully in front of my driveway instead of stopping short as it had previously.

It was an older lady, and she looked out of the open passenger window. I confirmed that she was looking for the dog, and she said it was her daughter and son-in-law's dog. She was leaving their house and thought she had seen the dog dart out from the backyard, but she wasn't sure, so she was driving through the neighborhood trying to call her son-in-law to see if the dog had escaped.

So the son-in-law eventually came running down the street, put a leash on the dog, and took her home.

While waiting, the lady had mentioned that she only saw the dog darting past her car in the dark because her phone had slid off her seat, causing her to look over at the precise moment necessary as she was trying to leave the driveway. I mentioned that I had only been in the exact perfect spot to see the dog crossing the street in the dark because the restaurant had messed up my dessert order, so I had to leave home, go back out, and then come home later than I had planned.

Had her phone not slid off her seat, she wouldn't have noticed the dog running off in the dark, and wouldn't have been around to confirm with me that the dog was her daughter's. Had my dessert order not been fudged up, or had I just been content with the terribly inefficient slice of pecan pie, I wouldn't have been turning onto my street at just the right moment to have my headlights spot the dog, and then to secure the dog once I got out.

Our neighborhood is halfway between suburban and rural, and coyotes are relentless in the area when they find dogs out late at night. There's also a semi-major highway just beyond the decent patch of woods in my backyard, easy for a lost animal to wander towards.

Had that sequence of events not played out EXACTLY as it did, that dog is probably lost all night, with a not-insignificant chance of running into a bad situation eventually, and that family might have lost their pet for good.

Cosmic coincidence? Or divine push?
 

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It sounds like the devil pushed the old lady's phone off her seat causing her to see the dog and robbing you of a new friend. Because you would've kept the adorable boxer, wouldn't you? Because you're not the kinda monster that would condemn a dog to the coyotes and highway, right?
 

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It sounds like the devil pushed the old lady's phone off her seat causing her to see the dog and robbing you of a new friend. Because you would've kept the adorable boxer, wouldn't you? Because you're not the kinda monster that would condemn a dog to the coyotes and highway, right?

Just when I thought I had God figured out, you throw me THIS curve ball???



(Yes, yes, I would have kept the dog.)
 

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It sounds like the devil pushed the old lady's phone off her seat causing her to see the dog and robbing you of a new friend. Because you would've kept the adorable boxer, wouldn't you? Because you're not the kinda monster that would condemn a dog to the coyotes and highway, right?

I would've let him out and if he survived the night and showed back up, he'd have been worthy of my household.

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This all ignores the fact that Lion put this Chaos in action when he decided to raise another man's child..... that's why she only gets fast food pie Wiz...

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No excuse. The fact that drive-thru pie even exists is proof of Satan's influence in the world.

It was “get a frozen pie from the grocery” or “get pecan pie from Frisch’s that was baked earlier in the day.”

There’s only so much a man can do at 10pm.
 

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I may have saved an innocent dog’s life, so suck it Acamp.

If it were a cat? I would’ve said screw it and left it to the coyotes.
 

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I may have saved an innocent dog’s life, so suck it Acamp.

If it were a cat? I would’ve said screw it and left it to the coyotes.

The whole story basically sums up why dog's suck so... lol
 

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My wife's pregnancy cravings are hot dogs, Dr. Pepper, and scrambled eggs with Frank's RedHot. That's basically how I exist anyways even when she's not pregnant.

My wife is generally a random sweet tooth here and there. I enjoy it, because she’s not usually a dessert or sweets person, whereas all of my meals would be brownies and milkshakes if it wouldn’t kill me.
 

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So late last night, my pregnant wife (expecting IrishLion cub #2 in October) requested dessert. I will not deny a pregnant lady a late-night craving, especially when I get a chocolate milkshake out of the trip myself, so I did my duty and went through a drive-thru.

I got home and unbagged her piece of pecan pie, only to find that the slice was not just infinitesimal, but had a large chunk out of the tip, almost as if someone had broken off a piece. Usually I'd say "what's done is done," but dammit I was pissed off. I paid $3 for this slice of pie, and the drive-thru was only 5 minutes away, so I went back out to make sure my wife would be fulfilled by the dessert that I had already paid for.

I got a new slice, much prettier and not missing any substance, and went back home. As I was driving into the neighborhood, I noticed a car slooooooowly rolling down the street. Then a shadow darted in front of my car... a dog, and I barely missed running it over. I then drove home slowly as the dog continued to chase my car, passing back-and-forth in front of me. I now assumed that the car slooooowly driving through the neighborhood as I had turned onto my street was most likely someone looking for the dog, but it was rainy and very dark, so they didn't see the dog after it began chasing my car.

I pulled into my driveway, and the dog sprinted past my car and started doing zoomies in my front yard. This dog was very obviously happy to have found momentary freedom to roam the neighborhood. She was a boxer, and she kept doing zoomies right past my legs, so I started to call for her as I noticed the car that had been looking for her was slowly coming down my street.

The dog came to me and immediately sat at my feet, expecting pets. I crouched down and put my arm around her while petting her to keep her from escaping, and waved frantically at the car to signal that I had the dog... but the car drove away before it got to my cul-de-sac! So I stayed crouched with the dog, wondering if I could bring it in my house to grab a leash without it running away, and if my dog would get pissed and try to fight her, or if they would become best friends.

But then the car's reverse lights lit up just before it was out of site, it backed up, turned around, and then pulled fully in front of my driveway instead of stopping short as it had previously.

It was an older lady, and she looked out of the open passenger window. I confirmed that she was looking for the dog, and she said it was her daughter and son-in-law's dog. She was leaving their house and thought she had seen the dog dart out from the backyard, but she wasn't sure, so she was driving through the neighborhood trying to call her son-in-law to see if the dog had escaped.

So the son-in-law eventually came running down the street, put a leash on the dog, and took her home.

While waiting, the lady had mentioned that she only saw the dog darting past her car in the dark because her phone had slid off her seat, causing her to look over at the precise moment necessary as she was trying to leave the driveway. I mentioned that I had only been in the exact perfect spot to see the dog crossing the street in the dark because the restaurant had messed up my dessert order, so I had to leave home, go back out, and then come home later than I had planned.

Had her phone not slid off her seat, she wouldn't have noticed the dog running off in the dark, and wouldn't have been around to confirm with me that the dog was her daughter's. Had my dessert order not been fudged up, or had I just been content with the terribly inefficient slice of pecan pie, I wouldn't have been turning onto my street at just the right moment to have my headlights spot the dog, and then to secure the dog once I got out.

Our neighborhood is halfway between suburban and rural, and coyotes are relentless in the area when they find dogs out late at night. There's also a semi-major highway just beyond the decent patch of woods in my backyard, easy for a lost animal to wander towards.

Had that sequence of events not played out EXACTLY as it did, that dog is probably lost all night, with a not-insignificant chance of running into a bad situation eventually, and that family might have lost their pet for good.

Cosmic coincidence? Or divine push?

It was “get a frozen pie from the grocery” or “get pecan pie from Frisch’s that was baked earlier in the day.”

There’s only so much a man can do at 10pm.


I am reading this story about some animal or something and someone saving an old lady from coyotes or some such thing...I don't know...but all I can think about is that I am completely sure someone was at Frisch's 'cause there is no other place with a drive-thru window where you can get a piece of pecan pie...then that started me down the whole Cincinnati food cycle...now I miss home again...thanks Lion...
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Lol <a href="https://t.co/NhbWCyTJ9y">https://t.co/NhbWCyTJ9y</a></p>— Adrian Vermeule (@avermeule) <a href="https://twitter.com/avermeule/status/1001824979275730950?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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And the followup...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They really don’t think sacraments are efficacious do they.</p>— MechaBonaldMkV&#55356;&#56827;&#55356;&#56806;&#55357;&#56331; (@IgnatiusUnderh2) <a href="https://twitter.com/IgnatiusUnderh2/status/1001885508665004035?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">English translation of the letter from the CDF, with the explicit approval of Pope Francis, which blocks the German Bishops' guidelines on intercommunion with Protestants in inter-faith marriages <a href="https://t.co/LYNBtLyiGN">https://t.co/LYNBtLyiGN</a></p>— Catholic Sat (@CatholicSat) <a href="https://twitter.com/CatholicSat/status/1003613376411561984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 4, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The City of God: <a href="https://t.co/ee6JoBVIsl">https://t.co/ee6JoBVIsl</a> <a href="https://t.co/ANNnZQ1dDE">pic.twitter.com/ANNnZQ1dDE</a></p>— Pater Edmund (@sancrucensis) <a href="https://twitter.com/sancrucensis/status/1003869929383321600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Corpus Christi church in London was recently renovated and elevated to a shrine of the Blessed Sacrament:

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