The IE Thunderdome (Debate Thread)

[zelezo vlk]

It's Chris Peterson.

At that point, you would still have the people going for the major blue blood coach (Stoops, Sumlin, etc) but when push comes to shove, Peterson is probably the most likely given his approach, success and standing (as of 2012).

I think people wanted him for a long time, but wasn't the story that he didn't actually want to leave the Northwest? Hence why he only left Boise State for UW

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think people wanted him for a long time, but wasn't the story that he didn't actually want to leave the Northwest? Hence why he only left Boise State for UW

It was, but I am not sure if a school with the clout of ND ever came knocking.

 

[zelezo vlk]

It was, but I am not sure if a school with the clout of ND ever came knocking.

I thought supposedly USC did and they turned him down? Or maybe he turned them down and I can't remember correctly. I think this was after they fired Sark.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Who was one recruit who you would have bet the entire bank was going to be a stud, but turned out to be a bust, or at least a total bummer/under performer?

I think I would have to go Ishaq Williams. Duval Kumara as an honorable mention.

(Keep in mind I really wasn't a fan until '01 when I was a tyke, so if you want to go back even further, knock yourself out).

 

[condoms SUCk]

Who was one recruit who you would have bet the entire bank was going to be a stud, but turned out to be a bust, or at least a total bummer/under performer?

I think I would have to go Ishaq Williams. Duval Kumara as an honorable mention.

(Keep in mind I really wasn't a fan until '01 when I was a tyke, so if you want to go back even further, knock yourself out).

Aliz'e Mack- while he wasn't a complete bust per se...I definitely thought he would be the next Kyle Rudolph.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Notre Dame was desperate for good safety play and there was Max Redfield, looking the part...

 

[Circa]

Aliz'e Mack- while he wasn't a complete bust per se...I definitely thought he would be the next Kyle Rudolph.

The EGO is something that Is very hard to harness. Especially when the EGO Is created before you show up for camp.

I have no conclusive evidence of an ego existing tho. I'll report back when I look up more Biblical people.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Notre Dame was desperate for good safety play and there was Max Redfield, looking the part...

But in his defense, he came here to play school, not football, and minored in Mandarin Chinese.

That's a really good one, kind of forgot about Max already..I think we all thought he was going to be what Kyle Hamilton is to some degree. An instant impact player on the back end.

 

[zelezo vlk]

If ND had hired Lou Holtz in 1981 instead of Gerry Faust, how does he do?

 

[Legacy]

If you were a school's AD and the football season was cancelled in addition to March Madness having been canceled, what would you do with salaries for athletic teams? For example, Ohio State has thirty athletic teams.

Will other universities follow Stanford's actions in cutting some minor sports, guaranteeing those athletes their scholarships, and giving coaches a year in salaries?

Will more cuts of minor sports be done in those states now seeing the highest surges of the pandemic, i.e. Sunbelt states?

 

[greyhammer90]

Due to a sudden BK retirement, ND hires Urban Meyer tomorrow.

Do we win a championship in the next 5 years?

I'm going to surprise and say no. I think Meyer would recruit like gangbusters but he seemed to get rocked once a year by mediocre teams his last few years. If that happens at ND, you don't get another bite at the apple like Bama or OSU.

 

[Rack Em]

Due to a sudden BK retirement, ND hires Urban Meyer tomorrow.

Do we win a championship in the next 5 years?

I'm going to surprise and say no. I think Meyer would recruit like gangbusters but he seemed to get rocked once a year by mediocre teams his last few years. If that happens at ND, you don't get another bite at the apple like Bama or OSU.

I would agree. Something would hamstring his innate coaching ability to get to 14-0, whether that be by the administration, roster holes, a coaching flub, or those loose South Bend women.

 

[TorontoGold]

Due to a sudden BK retirement, ND hires Urban Meyer tomorrow.

Do we win a championship in the next 5 years?

I'm going to surprise and say no. I think Meyer would recruit like gangbusters but he seemed to get rocked once a year by mediocre teams his last few years. If that happens at ND, you don't get another bite at the apple like Bama or OSU.

I think yes.

Meyer takes over for the 2020 season, so his first full class hits 2022 with a mix in 2021 with some of BK's recruits. With the crazy tough schedules in 2022/2023 I think it's unreasonable to predict a championship in those years.

In 2024 the schedule opens up with A&M (will Jimbo still be there?) SC (Clay Helton finally gone, is the replacement any good?), Florida State (can Mike Norvell turn it around?), Miami (Did Manny Diaz work out?) all having some question marks that are equal to or greater than a year 4 Urban. Who knows, but I think 2024 is the best chance if there is a coaching change.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I think yes, but only 1 and then he'll start dropping the 1 game a year to the point where everyone starts murmuring about needing a better coach.

 

[Legacy]

With such an unusual year, to say the least, I would be in favor of the NCAA lifting the eighty-five scholarship limit to ninety on a one time action. The increase of five scholarships would be limited to players already on the team such as PWOs.

What's the harm?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Kizer comes back in 2017 instead of declaring for the NFL draft. How does this affect the season?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Kizer comes back in 2017 instead of declaring for the NFL draft. How does this affect the season?

We dont lose to Georgia or Stanford. I still think the loss to Miami would have happened.
We couldnt move the ball on Georgia and had a lot of stupid, offensive mistakes against Stanford. He would have helped in both areas. The Miami game was just a buzz saw waiting to happen. I think at best he would have helped keep the game close.

 

[zelezo vlk]

We dont lose to Georgia or Stanford. I still think the loss to Miami would have happened.
We couldnt move the ball on Georgia and had a lot of stupid, offensive mistakes against Stanford. He would have helped in both areas. The Miami game was just a buzz saw waiting to happen. I think at best he would have helped keep the game close.

Interesting. And the loss to Miami kills the hopes of making the playoffs that year, I figure. So does the team play Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Interesting. And the loss to Miami kills the hopes of making the playoffs that year, I figure. So does the team play Ohio State in the Cotton Bowl?

If the loss was close, i bet they would make it into the playoffs. i believe all 4 teams that were in the playoffs that year came in with 1 loss. Ohio St had 2. If we go in with only one loss, we should take the place of Georgia.

 

[zelezo vlk]

If the loss was close, i bet they would make it into the playoffs. i believe all 4 teams that were in the playoffs that year came in with 1 loss. Ohio St had 2. If we go in with only one loss, we should take the place of Georgia.

Well Georgia still would have won the SEC Championship Game vs Auburn, so idk if they get bumped. Probably means that Bama does?

 

[PANDFAN]

We dont lose to Georgia or Stanford. I still think the loss to Miami would have happened.
We couldnt move the ball on Georgia and had a lot of stupid, offensive mistakes against Stanford. He would have helped in both areas. The Miami game was just a buzz saw waiting to happen. I think at best he would have helped keep the game close.

the miami game was completely due to energy and momentum miami built before and during game....had ND done anything on offense and def at beginning of game, that energy is gone as fast as it was built would have been negated...ND just didn't do anything but turn it over

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Well Georgia still would have won the SEC Championship Game vs Auburn, so idk if they get bumped. Probably means that Bama does?

Well Georgia would have 2 losses then. i dont see the committee at that time leaving out a 1 loss Bama. So either Georgia or Oklahoma would be out.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

the miami game was completely due to energy and momentum miami built before and during game....had ND done anything on offense and def at beginning of game, that energy is gone as fast as it was built would have been negated...ND just didn't do anything but turn it over

To the bold, I still wonder how the game would have turned out if BW and ESB hooked up in the end zone on the opening drive. BW overthrew him by a hair but that would have instilled some confidence in the boys and quieted the crowd.

Pitt exposed Miami a few weeks later and as a program they are at or below .500 since that night. Buzz-saw was the perfect analogy; we were too caught up in the hype and the crowd noise.

 

[zelezo vlk]

So the team probably goes 11-1 in the regular season with a decent quarterback in 2017. Does Book beat Wimbush outright to begin the 2018 season? Does Amon-Ra go to ND instead of SC or other big time recruits choose ND?

Furthermore, if ND somehow slips into the playoffs that year, does Elko stay and hold out for a better gig than Aggie DC?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

]So the team probably goes 11-1 in the regular season with a decent quarterback in 2017. Does Book beat Wimbush outright to begin the 2018 season? [/B]Does Amon-Ra go to ND instead of SC or other big time recruits choose ND?

Furthermore, if ND somehow slips into the playoffs that year, does Elko stay and hold out for a better gig than Aggie DC?

I feel like if Kizer came back, we may have seen Wimbush transfer in '17 rather than '18, don't you think? At least it is a possibility.

I don't think Book would have beat Wimbush outright if that wasn't the case. It seemed like Wimbush was Kizer's incumbent all along due to his stock value alone, IMO. I could see 2018 play out exactly how it did; Wimbush gets the nod to start the season, struggles out of the gate and Book eventually gets his shot. I think BK really wanted BW to succeed but ultimately had to do what was best for the offense and the team. BW was a high character guy, I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision for BK to sit him.

As far as Elko is concerned, I'm not sure that would have been the case either. He made it pretty clear that he only cares about the money. If there was no HC gig available that suited him, he would have followed the money for any "lateral" move that was out there.

I'm still a bit bitter about that and hope we get a chance to whoop on him at some point while he's still in College Station, but don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic how it turned out with Lea.