The end of Net Neutrality?

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Anybody use T-Mobile's "Binge On" service? Basically, you get to stream Netflix, YouTube, and other services without using your data. Completely free to the user. Illegal under Net Neutrality.
 

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The FCC was set to shut them down until the DJT administration took over.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/3/14501898/att-verizon-t-mobile-sponsored-data-fcc

From the article I linked, the Binge On service itself was not illegal, it's the new T-Mobile One plan:

Net neutrality holds that internet service providers cannot treat data differently based on type — the caveat being that the FCC rules make allowances for reasonable network management. That’s not what T-Mobile One is, though. The carrier is offering unlimited data as part of this plan only because it knows people won’t be able to use very much of it with throttled video. The original Binge On deployment was saved by the fact that it was optional. According to the EFF, putting a paywall up with T-Mobile One “runs directly afoul of the principle of net neutrality.”
 
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Anybody use T-Mobile's "Binge On" service? Basically, you get to stream Netflix, YouTube, and other services without using your data. Completely free to the user. Illegal under Net Neutrality.

You're the ECON101 guy. There is no such thing as free data.

It's X amount of data + free streaming to Y places. It's a data cap for anyone who isn't one of the big boys who can buy special deals.

It hurts innovation and it should rightfully be illegal.
 
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Anybody use T-Mobile's "Binge On" service? Basically, you get to stream Netflix, YouTube, and other services without using your data. Completely free to the user. Illegal under Net Neutrality.

You don't see how that effectively harms natural competition on the internet?

God forbid the next Netflix starts to take away marketshare from an oligopoly approved service. They'll just limit their bandwidth or put them on a more expensive plan so no one ever sees them.
 

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The FCC is going to repeal NN in just over half an hour. An agency that's supposed to protect consumers spammed itself with fake comments as a pretense to ignore the vast majority of real citizens that opposed its repeal. It's so staggeringly corrupt that it hurts my head. Hopefully some form of malfeasance can be proven here and get NN reinstated by the courts.
 

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The FCC is going to repeal NN in just over half an hour. An agency that's supposed to protect consumers spammed itself with fake comments as a pretense to ignore the vast majority of real citizens that opposed its repeal. It's so staggeringly corrupt that it hurts my head. Hopefully some form of malfeasance can be proven here and get NN reinstated by the courts.

I'm hoping the origination of the bots are exposed and shit hits the fan.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We’ve uncovered 2 million fake <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/netneutrality?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#netneutrality</a> comments using the stolen identities of people across the country. This should raise alarm bells for every American. We need to delay the <a href="https://twitter.com/FCC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FCC</a>'s vote now. <a href="https://t.co/PbBWDoLmXh">https://t.co/PbBWDoLmXh</a></p>— Eric Schneiderman (@AGSchneiderman) <a href="https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/941070886077071360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We’ve uncovered 2 million fake <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/netneutrality?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#netneutrality</a> comments using the stolen identities of people across the country. This should raise alarm bells for every American. We need to delay the <a href="https://twitter.com/FCC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FCC</a>'s vote now. <a href="https://t.co/PbBWDoLmXh">https://t.co/PbBWDoLmXh</a></p>— Eric Schneiderman (@AGSchneiderman) <a href="https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/941070886077071360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Why does the vote need to be delayed?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We’ve uncovered 2 million fake <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/netneutrality?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#netneutrality</a> comments using the stolen identities of people across the country. This should raise alarm bells for every American. We need to delay the <a href="https://twitter.com/FCC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FCC</a>'s vote now. <a href="https://t.co/PbBWDoLmXh">https://t.co/PbBWDoLmXh</a></p>— Eric Schneiderman (@AGSchneiderman) <a href="https://twitter.com/AGSchneiderman/status/941070886077071360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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So Cack, who do you think is behind this. The Gov, AT&T, Verizon, Comcast???
 
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So Cack, who do you think is behind this. The Gov, AT&T, Verizon, Comcast???

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Why does the vote need to be delayed?

The FCC is supposed to take comments from citizens into consideration. It appears that the vast amount of the citizenry wants NN to remain in place, however there are a sizable number of comments that also support NN regulations being dismantled. It is fairly likely that a large amount of comments (mostly in support of deregulation) are from nonexistent or stolen identities. If the FCC is actually supposed to take the citizens position seriously, an investigation into what they actually think should be done before a vote is made.

(Hint : The comments don't matter. The FCC is a captured agency and doesn't give a rats ass about concerns raised by the citizens regardless.)
 
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It's the Don, it's the Don.... lol...

Not sure though Russia is the issue.

It does say those Russian email addresses could have been bots originating in the US.

It also says that all but 25 of the international emails (Russian included) were pro Net Neutrality, so we know it's not the Don lol via Russia.

True, the use of bots is concerningin and of itself though.

Technically this is on the Don since he hand picked Pai as Chairman of the FCC. Trump supporters voted for this.
 

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Does this mean my business class service won't turn to shit every afternoon when the high school kids get home to play video games? Can I pay to have Facebook move at a snail's pace in my house?
 

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2005 – North Carolina ISP Madison River Communications blocked VoIP service Vonage.

2005 – Comcast blocked or severely delayed traffic using the BitTorrent file-sharing protocol. (The company even had the guts to deny this for months until evidence was presented by the Associated Press.)

2007 – AT&T censored Pearl Jam because lead singer criticized President Bush.

2007 to 2009 – AT&T forced Apple to block Skype because it didn’t like the competition. At the time, the carrier had exclusive rights to sell the iPhone and even then the net neutrality advocates were pushing the government to protect online consumers, over 5 years before these rules were actually passed.

2009 – Google Voice app faced similar issues from ISPs, including AT&T on iPhone.

2010 – Windstream Communications, a DSL provider, started hijacking search results made using Google toolbar. It consistently redirected users to Windstream’s own search engine and results.

2011 – MetroPCS, one of the top-five wireless carriers at the time, announced plans to block streaming services over its 4G network from everyone except YouTube.

2011 to 2013 – AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon blocked Google Wallet in favor of Isis, a mobile payment system in which all three had shares. Verizon even asked Google to not include its payment app in its Nexus devices.


2012 – AT&T blocked FaceTime; again because the company didn’t like the competition.

2012 – Verizon started blocking people from using tethering apps on their phones that enabled consumers to avoid the company’s $20 tethering fee.

2014 – AT&T announced a new “sponsored data” scheme, offering content creators a way to buy their way around the data caps that AT&T imposes on its subscribers.

2014 – Netflix started paying Verizon and Comcast to “improve streaming service for consumers.”

2014 – T-Mobile was accused of using data caps to manipulate online competition.

Can't wait to go back to this.....
 

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thanks GOP and all your big corporate backers, they got what they paid for.

same swamp as its always been...
 

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Did you read the link?

Hammer's bolded below...


The FCC is supposed to take comments from citizens into consideration. It appears that the vast amount of the citizenry wants NN to remain in place, however there are a sizable number of comments that also support NN regulations being dismantled. It is fairly likely that a large amount of comments (mostly in support of deregulation) are from nonexistent or stolen identities. If the FCC is actually supposed to take the citizens position seriously, an investigation into what they actually think should be done before a vote is made.

(Hint : The comments don't matter. The FCC is a captured agency and doesn't give a rats ass about concerns raised by the citizens regardless.)
 

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thanks GOP and all your big corporate backers, they got what they paid for.

same swamp as its always been...


From Being Classically Liberal's page:

F) Why are people so trusting of the government with the Internet?
It wasn't until a couple of years ago that the government declared the internet a "public utility". Do advocates of net neutrality not know about the person who made this historic decision?
Tom Wheeler was Obama's head and chairman of the Federal Communications Commission.
Before his appointment, his prior positions include President of the National Cable Television Association (NCTA) and CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association (CTIA); Two of the largest cable and telecommunications lobbying firms in the business.
Let me stress this point again..A corporate lobbyist gave the government more control over the internet.
Regulating the internet like a public utility, even with the best intentions, has unintended consequences just like most government regulation. Such regulation generally only benefits those who have enough power to influence the government, rather than regular people like you and me. Here you see a corporate lobbyist not only influencing but literally making a decision with his fancy governmental regulatory position.
Once you realize this is a textbook example of how most government regulatory bodies and legislation works...it's very frustrating when people say we need more government and more regulation to protect us. This decision to give government agencies ran by corporate lobbyists power to "protect the internet" will negatively impact the use of the internet within the next few decades.
(Tom Wheeler, Former Lobbyist and Obama Fundraiser, Tapped to Lead FCC | TIME.com)
(http://www.theguardian.com/…/2…/may/01/obama-tom-wheeler-fcc)
(http://www.newyorker.com/…/obamas-bad-pick-a-former-lobbyis…)
(http://sunlightfoundation.com/…/obama-bundler-tom-wheeler-…/)
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Never forget the amazing editors over at Wikipedia. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NetNeutrality?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NetNeutrality</a> <a href="https://t.co/gddI6fj2j8">pic.twitter.com/gddI6fj2j8</a></p>— LucidFoxx (@LucidFoxx) <a href="https://twitter.com/LucidFoxx/status/941380744215187457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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From Irishhog77


F) Why are people so trusting of the government with the Internet?
It wasn't until a couple of years ago that the government declared the internet a "public utility". Do advocates of net neutrality not know about the person who made this historic decision?
Tom Wheeler was Obama's head and chairman of the Federal Communications Commission.
Before his appointment, his prior positions include President of the National Cable Television Association (NCTA) and CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association (CTIA); Two of the largest cable and telecommunications lobbying firms in the business.
Let me stress this point again..A corporate lobbyist gave the government more control over the internet.
Regulating the internet like a public utility, even with the best intentions, has unintended consequences just like most government regulation. Such regulation generally only benefits those who have enough power to influence the government, rather than regular people like you and me. Here you see a corporate lobbyist not only influencing but literally making a decision with his fancy governmental regulatory position.
Once you realize this is a textbook example of how most government regulatory bodies and legislation works...it's very frustrating when people say we need more government and more regulation to protect us. This decision to give government agencies ran by corporate lobbyists power to "protect the internet" will negatively impact the use of the internet within the next few decades.
(Tom Wheeler, Former Lobbyist and Obama Fundraiser, Tapped to Lead FCC | TIME.com)
(http://www.theguardian.com/…/2…/may/...om-wheeler-fcc)
(http://www.newyorker.com/…/obamas-ba...ormer-lobbyis…)
(http://sunlightfoundation.com/…/obam...tom-wheeler-…/)


And the conversation of who gave us net neutrality is crickets on social media. It seems like 95% of conversation of social media is shaped entirely by what has happen in the past 6 months . . . or 6 minutes for that matter.
 
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