Temple Post Game

[Grahambo]

I guess what I'm saying is that our Mike LB read the play perfectly and was just too slow to do anything about it.

WWND?

What would Nyles do?

ha

 

[IrishinSyria]

I don't know...I've always taught to secure and close. Do your job, but get to the damned ball. That move the back put on was to elude Baratti. It wasn't like he cut back out of the area where I wouldn't expect Barrati to close, load up, and shoot his guns. Nicki stood up...he mirrored, but never attacked, which allowed the back to get him. ...you always do your job, expect everyone else to, but you always look to close the deal. He was obviously hesitant. Thats not saying he was scared. He was caught in the middle some, indecisive. I believe a Barrati that had 7 games in, makes that play.

Now, should we expect him to lose that battle...yea. Too much time away from game time. He'll be ok. But IMHO he didn't play that particular play well....regardless of his responsibility.

This is probably right, but it's not an EGREGIOUSLY BAD play like some are making it out to be. A bad play would have been getting beat outside. A good to great play would have been making the tackle. A "do your job" play was forcing him back inside, which is exactly what happened.

 

[kmoose]

I don't know...I've always taught to secure and close. Do your job, but get to the damned ball. That move the back put on was to elude Baratti. It wasn't like he cut back out of the area where I wouldn't expect Barrati to close, load up, and shoot his guns. Nicki stood up...he mirrored, but never attacked, which allowed the back to get him. ...you always do your job, expect everyone else to, but you always look to close the deal. He was obviously hesitant. Thats not saying he was scared. He was caught in the middle some, indecisive. I believe a Barrati that had 7 games in, makes that play.

It's not like I disagree....... from Baratti's player thread:

No. It was an example of a backup not wanting to blow an opportunity and not being aggressive. Baratti took an outside line to keep the back from turning the corner, instead of taking a more straight line to ball carrier that would have put him in position to make the stop. Once he took the outside line, his fate was sealed.

My objection was to this constant idea that people have that playing football is so easy that they can come in here and just pile on the kids who are trying so hard to play it, to play it well, and to represent themselves and their University well, all while demonstrating that you CAN "do it right" and succeed........... Are you hearing this, OSU, Alabama, USC, Baylor, et al?

 

[koonja]

I missed large parts of the game? Were there any injuries? Is CJ Saunders and Day ok?

 

[NDgradstudent]

I think this Temple team is the best team Notre Dame has played all year. Yes I think they played better than Clemson did against the Irish.

They are underrated, and we will have to see how they play the rest of the year, but they beat UMass by two points. So let's not go crazy.

 

[phgreek]

It's not like I disagree....... from Baratti's player thread:



My objection was to this constant idea that people have that playing football is so easy that they can come in here and just pile on the kids who are trying so hard to play it, to play it well, and to represent themselves and their University well, all while demonstrating that you CAN "do it right" and succeed........... Are you hearing this, OSU, Alabama, USC, Baylor, et al?

I got ya...agreed.

 

[kmoose]

I missed large parts of the game? Were there any injuries? Is CJ Saunders and Day ok?

CJ Sanders had to have his foot amputated. How could you not know this?

Day is fine.

 

[eNDzone]

Refs played a big part in keeping the score close. The Shumate call was total crap.

Happy with the W that's all we need.

It seems like on the majority of the faild redzone attempts we for some reason take a time out and kill our own momentum. Alot of redzone success is due to keeping the D guessing and attacking quickly.

 

[Irish YJ]

I think this Temple team is the best team Notre Dame has played all year. Yes I think they played better than Clemson did against the Irish.


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Either they are, or our line looked liked shit against an AAC team..

Refs kept it close as well.

Temple did surprise me with their effort and D

 

[jakerbluegold]

Love my Irish. But I must admit I enjoyed watching Matakevich for Temple. Plays the game like a caged animal, and is a tackling machine. He was always in the picture around the ball. I hope he does well at the next level.

Disagree. I saw him trying to twist Prosise and then Sanders' ankles after tackles. That's some old school Romanowski BS.

He is a hell of a player, but that stuff ends seasons. I understand that it's part of the game, but their whole defense was doing questionable stuff, and was given a free pass.

It amazes me that we were the ones that had a player ejected.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Either they are, or our line looked liked shit against an AAC team..

Refs kept it close as well.

Temple did surprise me with their effort and D

Could you do me a solid and resize the pic in your sig?

 

[EifertPower]

Watched the game again and it actually was a pretty good performance. I'm as pessimistic about this team as it gets and i don't think this team is good enough to go 11-1, but they just beat an undefeated and ranked Temple team on the road in a game in which Temple got some questionable calls and fortunate bounces. I'm far more encouraged after this win than i was after the USC win. Actually, this was one of our better performances all season.

1. We finally got pressure on the quarterback. I saw Day, Rochell, and even Okwara getting penetration in their backfield and even Joe Schmidt did well in timing his blitzes.

2. We spread the ball around nicely on offense passing-wise. Torii Hunter Jr made some nice plays, Chris Brown has become dependable, Will Fuller had big catches, Alize Jones had a big play as did Amir Carlisle. Even Corey Robinson had a few good opportunities and drew a pass interference.

3. What bothered me the most about Kizer's first interception was that we were at the line of scrimmage for 25 seconds before snapping the ball right before the play clock ran out. This causes us to rush the snap and allowed the defense to time their blitz. One thing i like better about Kizer being QB is that we audible less and snap the ball earlier. We are much better when we snap the ball before it gets under 10 seconds on the play clock.

4. The other INT on Kizer i thought was pass interference against Temple. I thought Temple also had PI on Fuller earlier in the drive. And yet Temple got a ticky-tack PI call on Cole Luke in the first half which was a huge play and the ridiculous targeting penalty on Shumate when the Temple receiver is spinning around and changing his route to adjust for the ball. The refs were brutal. Don't even get me started on that PI against Weisher in the first half...what was he supposed to do get out of the way in running his route?

5. Nick Martin's penalty was stupid. No point to even pushing the pile sideways. We need better leadership from him.

6. Barratti and Schmidt have to get a stop on that 4th and goal play. That's unacceptable. Barratti cannot be trusted against Pitt. Hopefully we get the ball first next week and run the ball a lot in the first half to chew up the time of possession.

7. Kizer has great poise in the pocket and a lot of his throws are quite impressive. Him holding the ball in the pocket too long and taking unnecessary sacks and risking getting blind-sided scare me. Pitt will sell the house and bring much more pressure.

8. Is Kizer really that fast? He left the Temple defense in the dust on that 75-yard TD run.

9. On to Pitt where winning on the road won't be easy. I was really hoping Pitt would win last week against UNC. Our best chance will be to have Prossise have a big game on offense and our defensive line wreak havoc on their QB.

 

[NDinL.A.]

We won but no way is this a top ten caliber team.

Yep no way. Poor preparation against a lessor opponent.

Name your top 10 and I'll show you WAY worse performances from at least 7 of them.

Sadly, none of these guys who emoti-post after ever come back and try to defend their posts.

 

[koonja]

You guys know of a replay online?

 

[Irish Insanity]

I missed large parts of the game? Were there any injuries? Is CJ Saunders and Day ok?

Sanders came back in and played.

Day never left, but awkwardly hung his arm a lot heading off the field.

 

[MJ12666]

That's a good point. James O got sucked inside and was in bad position on that play. One thing that drove me crazy was that we were crushing the right side of the line playing straight up. Then on that big QB keeper to the right on the read option it looked like Cage and Rochelle were on a stunt and ran into each other effectively blocking each other.

I just watched a replay of this play on ESPN U and this is not true. Temple split out their TE slightly and he was on JO's outside shoulder. JO recognized the play and DID NOT go to the inside. He started to come up the field but the TE immediately engaged him and forcing JO to head up field with no opportunity to cut the back off and force him inside. JO actually did a good job by forcing the runner to stay up the field long enough for Baretti to have a shot at him. Baretti just looked like he wanted no part of the back who simply cut up toward the end zone. Of course 38 was flopping on the ground as runner scored. He was only three steps slow.

One last general comment. It is really annoying to watch this team basically plod through the game and then when they need to score late to win they have virtually have no trouble marching down the field and score.

 

[clashmore_mike]

You guys know of a replay online?

you can watch it on watchespn if you have access to that

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I think this Temple team is the best team Notre Dame has played all year. Yes I think they played better than Clemson did against the Irish.


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Saying this Temple will probably lose every game the rest of the season.

On a side note I was very impressed with their tackling on defense.


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[irishff1014]

Saying this Temple will probably lose every game the rest of the season.

On a side note I was very impressed with their tackling on defense.


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Their tackling was spot on.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Their tackling was spot on.

#8 was a player.

 

[notredomer23]

We could go 11-1 and some of you will still be pissed. Given the circumstances if that does occur, and it honestly looks possible, it is a miracle coaching job by Brian Kelly.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Being Will Fuller? He was absent almost the whole game and had about 22 yards until that last catch. He abused a great DB against USC and disappeared against Temple

Some people just have a different way of looking at things. Will was double covered most of the night.

And did you see him block? His blocking was incredible, which really helped other receivers and DeShone's running!

Probably the least excited I've been about a ND victory in a long time.

- completely unimpressed with our inability to run the ball against Temple. I get that Temple has nice numbers this year, and they're not a terrible defense, but FFS, the talent gap between these two teams is huge. If you can't run on Temple, who can you run on?

- Kizer had a nice game with his legs. He made a few dumb passes and it bit us.

- The play calling, especially in the red zone, was awful. No idea why we didn't bother to line up in single back (pistol) and ram the ball down their throats. The few runs we attempted came from zone read and outside of the one huge run from Kizer, it was completely ineffective.

- The defense played okay. The defensive line was good, the secondary wasn't. Luke was bad, and KVR was awful outside of the one big play he made late (kudos to him).

- Temple is a decent team but this is a team that we should have beaten comfortably. We will get no favors from the committee for squeaking by on the skin of our teeth. If/when we're out of the top 10 when the rankings come out on Tuesday I won't be mad. We don't really deserve to be in the top 10 at this point.

- Glad we won, but yeah... not exactly pumped or excited. For the vast majority of this game, we simply did not play very well.

We must have been watching different games.

Which is fitting, from what I have seen . . . For the vast majority of this game, some purported football fans simply did not watch very well.

BK

David was going to get a 15 yd penalty, I had to back him up

So did David Grimes.

Seriously. This was a game called so horribly it became dangerous. ND was lucky that no significant injuries were sustained.

I am not far from saying this game was so badly refereed that it kept either team from playing their best.

Temple is not a legit T25 team. They have an above average defense with a piss poor offense.

Actually I believe you hit the trifecta; they are a legitimate top 25 team, as they remained after last night's game, in both polls; They had a statistical top ten defense and took a hit last night, but still only gave up 24 points! On both sides of the ball Temple players were in the right place at the right time! Their offense is deceptive. They wait for you to make a mistake and put the ball where you aren't! That is why they are crucifying teams in the fourth quarter.

I was very dismissive of Temple's defense before this game but they really impressed me. Don't get me wrong, I think ND could and should have played much better, but I haven't seen a team shut down our run game like that since Clemson. Their coaches put together a great plan for us and the Temple players were amped up. This was probably the first time when ND was playing a non-powerhouse team that I told myself I'd be happy as long as we won.

We have to figure out some way to get the inside run game going against more formidable defenses because this is going to keep happening in the rest of our games against Pitt, BC, and Stanford.

Needless to say, I fully expect Temple to shit the bed from here on out, so as to prevent ND from having a quality win.

Also, to reiterate an earlier question on the thread, does anybody know why Rhule came out on the field to yell at Luke?

What a refreshing perspective. Better than biting into a York Peppermint Patty!

Except the part about shitting the bed. Not with Matt Rhule as coach. By the time they got off the field he had them believing that they had won. See his game week press conference for the philosophical arguments.

I wonder if Luke, like a couple of other Irish players had enough of Temple running wild, abusing so many rules, with the blind refs and all!

 

[Irish#1]

You know, maybe Temple doesn't suck. We just came from behind late to beat an undefeated team on the road when we had a few breaks go against us. Enjoy it. A lot of teams don't win that game.

They're better than what we thought they were plus this was Temple's biggest game ever. As several have said, a hard fought road win. I'll take it.

 

[MJ12666]

We could go 11-1 and some of you will still be pissed. Given the circumstances if that does occur, and it honestly looks possible, it is a miracle coaching job by Brian Kelly.

It is "possible" they will go 11-1 but I think it is unlikely. I think they will have a hard time winning at Stanford and not because I think Stanford is better. Keeping in mind that these are college kids who are required to study, the AD did not do them any favors scheduling that BC game in Boston. If my memory serves me correctly (which I free admit is debatable) this game could have been a home game or played somewhere closer to South Bend but he chose Boston. That means that they will be flying to Boston and the next week flying out to the West coast. I think this is going to be problem and if they can beat Stanford my hats off to the players and the coaching staff. It will be quite an accomplishment for college kids.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I think this is fair (as in even handed). I really thought the refs were BAAAAAD. On the second pick, the ND receiver got popped before the ball got there...which caused the int. Also I saw Crob get popped long before the ball got there in the endzone. The PI on Luke was awful. And the targeting...these are atrocious calls...I see them every week and 8 out of 10 are NOT targeting. Shumate's was NOT targeting. I'm not one to complain real hard, or real frequently about the refs. Also, I did not hear the whistle before Martin launched into the pile, maybe it blew, and I'm off here. But if you are going to allow the scrum, you can't hammer these guys for the manner in which they come into the scrum. This crew needs to be traded in for a horse we could shoot. The worst thing you can say about a crew is they impacted the outcome of a game...thank God not the outcome, but they were way more a part of this game than they should EVER be.

Also, I'd argue that the poor officiating brought Kelly to overreact to Grimes more than just what Grimes did...put it this way, if the Refs weren't seemingly leaning a little toward Temple, I don't think Kelly would have been so sensitive.

No one had a problem with the PI called on Nic Weishar? Come on! Or the PI on Nick Martin! Holy Testicle Tuesday! This is maximum overdrive on referee 's bullshit affecting the game!

 

[GrangerIrish24]

We won against an insanely motivated team, at night, on the road. Give credit where credit is due. That was a well coached, well prepared team.

 

[Crazy Balki]

1. Kizer is Subzero. Dude has ice in his veins. But that first interception was a horrible decision, but there wasn't really any good ones on that play. 3 options, take the sack, throw it away or force it. He chose the worst one, but it didn't look like he had time to throw it away, and giving up a sack is counter-intuitive for a QB. Still a rookie, so we can't be too mad. Made some bad reads early on.

2. Temple sold out to shut down Prosise. This is the 2nd time it has happened, and it has worked. That's when the receivers need to make plays to spread the defense out. Against Clemson, they dropped balls. Against Temple, the refs screwed them over constantly (we'll get to that).

3. Day and Rochell are just dominant, and Cage was impressive as well, he's vastly improved since the start of the year. Romeo...not so much. Schmidt....*sigh*, I think we've pretty much beaten that dead horse enough in the last 2 months. Just bench him already. Russell and Luke need to start showing up for the game. They always take so long to get in rhythm and teams are very aware of this.

4. Playcalling in the redzone and run calls....pretty bad. There were other factors, but we really had trouble establishing the run all game and there just wasn't much in terms of diversity in the run plays. It was like they kept trying to bash a square peg into a round hole. And no Adams/Flex? C'mon Kelly, gotta shake it up. That being said, Temple may have one of the best front 7's in college football, perhaps even better than Clemson's.

5. Officiating was a huge factor working against ND. No getting around it. After the 1st quarter, the refs broke a cardinal rule and changed how they looked at PI. They were having none of Temple's grabbing and mauling on our receivers in the 1st. After that, they pretty much said "f*ck it! Anything goes!". Once again, so many missed holding calls against Temple. They practically held Day and Rochell all game. Finally that targeting call. That's the kind of call that gets a ref fired right there. The original call was horrendous already, but add to the fact that they REVIEWED it and STILL deemed it targeting is what's truly insulting. If I'm Jack, I'm writing those officials names down. They are NEVER allowed to work a ND game ever again.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

The offensive line is a big part of the red zone problems IMO.

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Seriously, what are you going to do with an offense built to spread the field, and attack at different levels, when the field becomes compressed in the red zone? Change your offensive identity entirely?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

My post game thoughts - surprisingly no hangover

* Defensive front seven played extremely well. They stopped Temple's running game, which is a key to their offense. Rochelle and Day - enough said.

Well said!

* We struggled in the red zone, but Temple all year long has been good at defending in the red zone. We need to work on establishing an effective running scheme for the RZ.

It is because their db's and linebackers don't have to run as far to cover, when disguising their coverage!

* DK played very good. He is getting more comfortable with the zone read. That long touchdown run was awesome - I didn't think he was that fast!!

Told ya!

* Our turnovers kept them in the game. They have a very good (top ten defense), and we were able to march down the field. Give a lot of credit to Temple for having a good defensive game plan and executing it.

Zactly!

* The final score might not be impressive, but our teams' play and the win is. The better Team won last night.

Even more precisely that the last point which was 'Zactly!'

* The ref's were garbage...

That is too kind! Actually most garbage can be recycled! These guys need to be eliminated. Just eliminated from the rank of refs. With one fell swoop!

 

[vinnymac2402]

We won against an insanely motivated team, at night, on the road. Give credit where credit is due. That was a well coached, well prepared team.

This is exactly what I thought. When the last time game day was at philly. The kids played out of there minds survive and advanced