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BobbyMac

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Doesn’t mean they don’t have a vote though.

Id say Mizzou people very much disagree with that as well. They overall feel joining SEC was right move, as B12 possibly crumbling somewhat validates that. It could also be worse they’ve had limited football and basketball success but have somewhat come out of some institutional messes that brought down athletics with it

Don't worry. The B1G will save Mizzou when the time comes. When the B1G West includes the Tigers, Jayhawks & the Illini, the world will be right. It also forces MO and IA to play. The fact they've played once in 110 years is the weirdest thing in college sports.
 

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What do you consider a national power?

If you consider that a top 3 team, yes I would agree.

But I can't think of 10 other programs that are better situated at the moment than A&M. 1A is clearly Bama, Clemson and OSU. But 1B has the likes of UGA, OU, ND, etc. I would put A&M in 1B right now. To me, once you are in that grouping, it takes a once in a decade type year to win a tittle It's possible, just like LSU did. But the stars must align. But they are not in the camp where there is no shot (Michigan, USC, etc) To me, that is a national power.

A&M is only good now because they have Jimbo running the program. Sumlin had them trending towards irrelevance. The fact that they are in the SEC hurts their football program IMO. They are arguably the 4th best program in their own division.

I’d argue that USC and Michigan have easier paths to regional dominance and a national title (SC especially). Those programs can potentially dominate their conferences with the right coach.
 

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If you go to 16-team super conferences, you'd probably get pods.

You play your pod (3 games), plus the next pod (4 games), then you play one team each from the remaining pods (2 games). That gives you a 9-game conference schedule, and allows for at least one regular-season matchup with every other team in the conferences over a 4-year period. You could exchange one of the single-pod games for a set rivalry, and protect some of the traditional matchups to give extra flexibility when creating the pods/divisions, but then it's not a guarantee that you play every other team in the conference at some point over four years.

You could even split the Texas teams into different pods, to both appease the angry A&M fan base, and to make the once-every-four-years Texas matchup a huge thing to look forward to for those fanbases.

Pod 1 (The Old Pod)
1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. Missouri
4. Arkansas

Pod 2 (The Power Pod)
1. Bama
2. LSU
3. Auburn
4. A&M

Pod 3 (The South and Eastern Pod)
1. Florida
2. Georgia
3. Ole Miss
4. Miss St

Pod 4 (The Stepchildren Pod)
1. Kentucky
2. Tennessee
3. Vandy
4. South Carolina

Pod 2 is overly strong, and pod 4 would need a historic resurgence from Tennessee to make things interesting, so you could do some flip-flopping, but this makes the most sense in terms of regional games... I think.

I've long liked the pod thing if we expand to 16, which is going to happen sooner or later. I like some of your ideas, but 4 traditional powers in one pod and 4 weaklings in another doesn't work. The SEC Network crew released their idea of how the 4 pods might look and it makes a lot of sense.

Pod 1: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina
Pod 2: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Pod 3: LSU, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Mississippi State
Pod 4: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, Missouri

Very balanced with two traditional powers and two lesser programs in each pod, and teams are grouped regionally also to some extent. Pod 2 with Tennessee actually has 3 traditional powers, but that probably can't be avoided and who knows when Tennessee will ever claw their way back into the big boys' club. In this system I'd like for the SEC to go to a 9 game conference schedule. You play each of the other three teams in your pod, you have one traditional rival from each of the other pods that you play each year, and you play one of the other three teams from each pod every year on a rotating basis, so that every three years you'll play every team in the conference at least once.
 

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Sounds like A&M has no interest in having Texas join.

TAMU will vehemently oppose allowing TX into the SEC. They left for the SEC because of TX. They want to be the only school in Texas in the conference.

Wonder if WVU will will consider bailing and joining the ACC, where it would fit more naturally. And would Iowa State consider the BIG?
 

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Saw the AM was specifically left out of all conversations between SEC and Ut and OU. Not included or made aware this was happening.
 

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Saw the AM was specifically left out of all conversations between SEC and Ut and OU. Not included or made aware this was happening.

If A&M did leak this (in hopes of getting public opinion to put a stop to it) then leaving them out of the loop was totally justified.
 

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TAMU will vehemently oppose allowing TX into the SEC. They left for the SEC because of TX. They want to be the only school in Texas in the conference.

Wonder if WVU will will consider bailing and joining the ACC, where it would fit more naturally. And would Iowa State consider the BIG?

The question is will the ACC consider WVU. I think not.

Iowa State is part of the AAU, so the Big Ten would certainly give them a look. They have a pretty rabid fanbase and their stadium seats 61,500. That's bigger than 7 stadiums already in the Big Ten. Natural rival to Iowa, they could revisit a series with Nebraska and could build on series with Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

If not, PAC 12.
 

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Sounds like A&M has no interest in having Texas join.

A&M left the Big 12 for a reason and a lot of that was the Longhorn Network. Texas A&M has boomed since they joined the SEC. Kyle Field is one of the best college football venues (strongly recommend checking it out, I intend to visit again in green in a few years) in the country and just got a huge facelift, premier facilities, and their athletics complex is the best I've ever seen. Every sport looks like it has its own oil basin supporting it. They dumped crazy money on a new coach and have a solid program. The records don't accurately tell the story with A&M, plus they've also had to face a tough SEC West every year.

I would fully expect Texas A&M to do anything and everything they can to prevent Texas from joining the SEC. It does nothing to help them and would be a good middle finger to an old rival.
I don't see this helping other programs either, but...

Iowa State to Big Ten seems logical after this. West Virginia is surely looking.

I suppose it is good to be independent sometimes. Less drama.
 

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By far the best part of this is what is happening to Texas A&M.

But I’m most intrigued to see whether Oklahoma leverages this into a better/tougher team that can really compete or does the opposite and wilts under pressure.
 

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The question is will the ACC consider WVU. I think not.

Iowa State is part of the AAU, so the Big Ten would certainly give them a look. They have a pretty rabid fanbase and their stadium seats 61,500. That's bigger than 7 stadiums already in the Big Ten. Natural rival to Iowa, they could revisit a series with Nebraska and could build on series with Illinois, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

If not, PAC 12.

I think I State's in trouble when the endgame happens. They have nothing new to offer the B1G that IA doesn't cover in a population challenged state.

Speaking of the endgame, when the P5's pull football from the NCAA, WVU will be back in the ACC. In fact, the ACC North that ND will play in (if they don't construct a better Ivy League) will basically be the old Big East.
 
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I think I State's in trouble when the endgame happens. They have nothing new to offer the B1G that IA doesn't cover in a population challenged state.

Speaking of the endgame, when the P5's pull football from the NCAA, WVU will be back in the ACC. In fact, the ACC North that ND will play in (if they don't construct a better Ivy League) will basically be the old Big East.

What does WVU offer the ACC outside of sports? If you live in West Virginia the admission requirement is a 2.0 GPA and a 19 on your ACT. The ACC tends to care about acdemics. WVU seems like a fit for the SEC on more levels than the ACC.

I think the Big Ten would want Iowa State to some degree in the end because, they too, care about academics.
 

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247 now reporting it is official that UT and OU are leaving.

The question now is, "Are the other Big 12 schools huddling and trying to come up with a game plan or are they all fending for themselves?"
 
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It will be interesting to see if the big 12 gets decimated or if they poach from other conferences. It's gonna get weird . . .
 

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What does WVU offer the ACC outside of sports? If you live in West Virginia the admission requirement is a 2.0 GPA and a 19 on your ACT. The ACC tends to care about acdemics. WVU seems like a fit for the SEC on more levels than the ACC.

I think the Big Ten would want Iowa State to some degree in the end because, they too, care about academics.

I would've agreed with you on the ACC before they took Louisville.

What WVU is going to offer the ACC is a body. When these schools leave the NCAA and it's just four 20 team conf's, the ACC will get pinched. The B1G's coming for UVa, UNC or Pitt if they need a body out east. The SEC might target VT, one of the NC schools not named Wake. Maybe Clemson or the Florida schools if the new world order forces those state's politics to work out.

As far as ISU, I'm not saying it won't happen but I had these discussions with two college AD's, one of which who broke into coaching at Ames and they thought ISU was in trouble long term. They thought their best chance was to fall into the Eastern Div of the West Conference when the PAC has to piece 20 teams together.
 

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247 now reporting it is official that UT and OU are leaving.

The question now is, "Are the other Big 12 schools huddling and trying to come up with a game plan or are they all fending for themselves?"

FWIW, posters on reddit pointed out that this guy also said that Texas, et al. to the PAC was done during the last realignment.
 

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Has Swarbrick issued any public comments?

I'm curious whether he is going to strongly commit to independence or say anything about a changing landscape affecting ND's future.
 

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I would've agreed with you on the ACC before they took Louisville.

What WVU is going to offer the ACC is a body. When these schools leave the NCAA and it's just four 20 team conf's, the ACC will get pinched. The B1G's coming for UVa, UNC or Pitt if they need a body out east. The SEC might target VT, one of the NC schools not named Wake. Maybe Clemson or the Florida schools if the new world order forces those state's politics to work out.

As far as ISU, I'm not saying it won't happen but I had these discussions with two college AD's, one of which who broke into coaching at Ames and they thought ISU was in trouble long term. They thought their best chance was to fall into the Eastern Div of the West Conference when the PAC has to piece 20 teams together.

Solid point.

Ultimately this shift is inevitable. If it is already happening now, that's sooner than I would have thought, but college sports didn't exactly have a banner summer when it comes to the business model they've held so dear, and Covid surely hurt these schools to varying degrees so maybe they're proactively getting the ball rolling now. OU and Texas could be the first dominoes.

Iowa State can fit into the Big Ten or PAC 12. They are pereceived as having nothing to offer, but I think they have something, even if it isn't a lot.

Ultimately, I'll wait to see what is happening with ND but I get the sneaking suspicion that years from now ND is still going to be playing service academies in Prague and locking horns with UCLA in Dodger Stadium if they feel like it.
 

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It will be interesting to see if the big 12 gets decimated or if they poach from other conferences. It's gonna get weird . . .

Houston's been waiting. Fertitta's been pushing HARD to get in but UT and Baylor were blocking them.

If I'm the Big 12, I take Houston & SMU then Cincy, UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulane & Temple and rebrand as the Big 16 as a stop gap until the money schools ditch the NCAA. Then they can figure it out geographically.
 

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Has Swarbrick issued any public comments?

I'm curious whether he is going to strongly commit to independence or say anything about a changing landscape affecting ND's future.

"Tickets for the last ND/USC game have been priced at $2000 a seat.
A commemorative coin will be included with each ticket. The date and series record will be on one side with Please Sit Down! on the other. "

- Jack Swarbrick
 

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It’s a shame Texas/OU accelerating this in private is going to cause the realignment to make zero historical or regional sense. A logical country wide realignment at the same time is the dream that would never happen except in articles and video games
 

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It’s a shame Texas/OU accelerating this in private is going to cause the realignment to make zero historical or regional sense. A logical country wide realignment at the same time is the dream that would never happen except in articles and video games

This isn't it. These teams all have to leave the NCAA eventually. At that time, they can do something more sensical.

I'm still waiting for UT to leave OU at the alter and head to the B1G where they belong. (at least that's what the important non-football UT folks think) We hooked up with a UT BOT member at Murphy's in Wrigleyville before the 2015 game. He point blank said, "In the end, UT will be in the Big Ten with MI, VA and NC."
 

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It’s a shame Texas/OU accelerating this in private is going to cause the realignment to make zero historical or regional sense. A logical country wide realignment at the same time is the dream that would never happen except in articles and video games

I'm not sure it would matter anyway.

Rogue said it best:

History. Tradition. Fans.

The people making these decisions see these terms as punchlines. They literally laugh out loud at the notion that they should give a rat's ass about any of this when it comes to college football. We're not talking about a sticker on a helmet, artificial grass fields or last names on the backs of jerseys. This is big time money. It stopped being about academics (LOL), tradition and history a long time ago.

Why would Okie State and Kansas stick around for the Big 12 to figure this out? Okie State is backed by piles of money and Kansas has a basketball team. Logistically it may make sense to add Iowa State and maybe throw K State in the mix for the same reason and to get an even number. I'd prefer Cincy over K State for no reason other than giving OSU some in state competition with respect to recruiting, even if it's small.

The rest of the BIG 12 can piss off to the PAC - maybe two dying conferences can make one viable conference.
 

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It’s a shame Texas/OU accelerating this in private is going to cause the realignment to make zero historical or regional sense. A logical country wide realignment at the same time is the dream that would never happen except in articles and video games

NCAA Football 2023 gives us full control over conference setups or we riot
 

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The Big Ten might want to try to scoop up Kansas to expand their western footprint and add a basketball power. Then add North Carolina or Virginia to expand their east coast footprint and to add another basketball power
 
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