Superconferences & Realignment

[NDRock]

I would have liked to see Missouri playing in an original Big 8 division. TCU moves back to a League #2 level. Their rivals are SMU (League #2) and Baylor (#1). Ohio State and Michigan not in the same division? BYU moving up to League 1 would be a travel nightmare.

TCU was the 65th team and got left out (Someone had to go). They can always get promoted.

When in doubt I went with original members (or first 8) which left Ohio State out. Figure they could still kick Michigan’s ass every year by playing them in their rivalry game.

 

[tko]

Where is TerryTate?

 

[Irish YJ]

Good stuff NDRock.

Some buds and I have this conversation every year. While it was normally 50/50 for and against, most are for now. We all have different means of breaking up the teams, but all of us like getting back to regional conferences, and all of us like a couple games to allow for cross conference matchups and historic rivalries. I don't think we've ever included the relegation aspect in our conversations, but I absolutely love it. I'm definitely going to toss that idea at them next go around when we all chat about it over beers. You've just triggered me to rethink.

 

[zelezo vlk]

UT and OU supposedly reached out to the SEC. That would be not good

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

If this happens the SEC could get 6 teams in the playoffs a year. WVU to the ACC seems likely.

 

[BobbyMac]

UT and OU supposedly reached out to the SEC. That would be not good

UT going to any of the other 4 means the SuperConference Era begins and the P5 + a handful of Big Market G5's leave the NCAA

But of all the conferences, the SEC is the least UT-like and there are still eggheads that run the school that'll wanna be associated with academic equals (AAU institutions) which reside in the conferences not named the SEC. I think the only AAU schools in the SEC are Vandy, UF and A&M.

OU has to go to the SEC cuz they're a hot trash, 4 year juco.

 

[BobbyMac]

If this happens the SEC could get 6 teams in the playoffs a year. WVU to the ACC seems likely.

Yeah, the ACC has plenty of elite schools but they also have Louisville.

The one that intrigues me when this goes down is would the SEC want to grab Cincy for a UK travel partner or does that roll into the ACC too?

Also, does Vandy join the B1G with UNC and UVA cua the B1G is coming for your AAU schools and Nashville has lots of new TV's for the B1G Network.

Was hoping this day would hold off for a while cuz ND's either got to join the ACC and lose SC, Navy and it's rotation of B1G's or start the Ivy League's more talented big brother.

I'm not ready for either just yet.

 

[Dale]

Don’t see it happening. OU is a 100% fit to the SEC but Texas could never accept not being top dog. Some them are so delusional they probably think they would be calling the shots in the SEC though

 

[calvegas04]

UT and OU would need to figure out how to play defense and quick.

I figure Pac 12 and ACC would absorb the rest of the teams.

 

[Dale]

UT and OU would need to figure out how to play defense and quick.

I figure Pac 12 and ACC would absorb the rest of the teams.

OU last year on D couldn’t have been worse than Florida, and Florida went the the SEC championship.

 

[Irish du Nord]

OU last year on D couldn’t have been worse than Florida, and Florida went the the SEC championship.

A sentiment we don't hear often, but I'm 100% with you. There were some awful defenses in the SEC the past couple of years.

 

[IrishLion]

Yeah, the ACC has plenty of elite schools but they also have Louisville.

The one that intrigues me when this goes down is would the SEC want to grab Cincy for a UK travel partner or does that roll into the ACC too?

Also, does Vandy join the B1G with UNC and UVA cua the B1G is coming for your AAU schools and Nashville has lots of new TV's for the B1G Network.

Was hoping this day would hold off for a while cuz ND's either got to join the ACC and lose SC, Navy and it's rotation of B1G's or start the Ivy League's more talented big brother.

I'm not ready for either just yet.

Superconferences are good news for my boys at Chili Tech.

Bad news for my [#1 priority] boys at ND, in terms of independence.

Though if I'm being completely honest... last year's trial run in the ACC made me hate the idea of 'Notre Dame, ACC Member' way less.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I have to assume that joining the SEC would be the death knell for the Longhorn Network.

It's about halfway through its original 20 year deal and nobody seems to think it's been successful.

Considering both the SEC Network and the LHN are properties of ESPN I expect it would be easy to make the transition.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Y'all really liked last year's ACC trial run? That was boring as hell. No SC, no late November Cali game. Lame.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

And if they did leave the Big 12, what happens to the remainder? I see these big names who would have opportunities and could probably ditch the others:

Oklahoma State
Kansas
West Virginia

But the rest of the conference? I'm not sure these schools could do better than banding together and trying to hold down the fort with maybe pulling a couple of G5 programs in with them. Would the SEC/PAC/B1G/ACC have any interest?

Texas Tech
Iowa State
TCU
Baylor
Kansas State

 

[NorthDakota]

Y'all really liked last year's ACC trial run? That was boring as hell. No SC, no late November Cali game. Lame.

I did not. But I did like that Notre Dame did well.

 

[calvegas04]

And if they did leave the Big 12, what happens to the remainder? I see these big names who would have opportunities and could probably ditch the others:

Oklahoma State
Kansas
West Virginia

But the rest of the conference? I'm not sure these schools could do better than banding together and trying to hold down the fort with maybe pulling a couple of G5 programs in with them. Would the SEC/PAC/B1G/ACC have any interest?

Texas Tech
Iowa State
TCU
Baylor
Kansas State

Unless the Big10 is trying to expand I can see everyone in the Pac and ACC

 

[BobbyMac]

Superconferences are good news for my boys at Chili Tech.

Bad news for my [#1 priority] boys at ND, in terms of independence.

Though if I'm being completely honest... last year's trial run in the ACC made me hate the idea of 'Notre Dame, ACC Member' way less.

Yep... Your Fightin' Three-Ways are in for sure if it goes to 4 SC's, I mean the ACC took Commonwealth Community College of Louisville so they can take Greek Spaghetti Sauce U.

As far as ND, I don't want to live in a world where SC, Navy and an assortment of B1G snacks are not on my plate every year. ND's superconference ACC division would be:

ND
Cincy
Ville
Pitt
WV
Cuse
BC
Temple
Wake
And then it's who's left after the B1G and SEC pick everything else.

I could see the ACC being gutted from VA south.

 

[Irish#1]

Looks like these discussions have been going on for well over a year. If they were to move, I could see the rest staying put and trying to fill the loss with Boise St or one or two Florida schools. Vandy to the B1G makes a lot of sense as would UK.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Yep... Your Fightin' Three-Ways are in for sure if it goes to 4 SC's, I mean the ACC took Commonwealth Community College of Louisville so they can take Greek Spaghetti Sauce U.

As far as ND, I don't want to live in a world where SC, Navy and an assortment of B1G snacks are not on my plate every year. ND's superconference ACC division would be:

ND
Cincy
Ville
Pitt
WV
Cuse
BC
Temple
Wake
And then it's who's left after the B1G and SEC pick everything else.

I could see the ACC being gutted from VA south.

Apart from the logistics of going over 16 teams I’m not sure the SEC would benefit from adding more teams in the southeast. They already have all the cable carriage fees they can get there.

 

[BobbyMac]

Apart from the logistics of going over 16 teams I’m not sure the SEC would benefit from adding more teams in the southeast. They already have all the cable carriage fees they can get there.

VT, NC St are additions that make sense as does Cincy. Depending on how they rate markets within a state, Miami makes sense too but I think Florida did something to block a second FL school joining the SEC.

 

[BobbyMac]

Looks like these discussions have been going on for well over a year. If they were to move, I could see the rest staying put and trying to fill the loss with Boise St or one or two Florida schools. Vandy to the B1G makes a lot of sense as would UK.

Vandy yes. UK is NOT qualified to be in the B1G.

 

[calvegas04]

Vandy yes. UK is qualified to be in the B1G.

Do you think michigan would allow another team in that would challenge them for last place?

 

[tussin]

These superconferences are so unappealing to me. No CFB fan in the country wants to see Texas or Oklahoma play Miss St every year. It’s such a middle finger to the fan bases.

I’m not sure if the financials have paid off, but every single one of the big moves have been huge failures. Nebraska is a bust in the B1G. Colorado is irrelevant. WVU is a has-been that has to travel 500 miles for every game. Texas A&M doesn’t have a rival. Maryland is largely irrelevant in B1G basketball and their football still sucks. It’s all so stupid.

 

[NorthDakota]

These superconferences are so unappealing to me. No CFB fan in the country wants to see Texas or Oklahoma play Miss St every year. It’s such a middle finger to the fan bases.

I’m not sure if the financials have paid off, but every single one of the big moves have been huge failures. Nebraska is a bust in the B1G. Colorado is irrelevant. WVU is a has-been that has to travel 500 miles for every game. Texas A&M doesn’t have a rival. Maryland is largely irrelevant in B1G basketball and their football still sucks. It’s all so stupid.

A&M has worked out rather well for A&M. Missouri is probably pretty happy too.

I dont like the superconferences either. Bring back the Big 8 and the SWC!

 

[deise mike]

I love this discussion as an intellectual exercise. I hate it as a prospect.

 

[tussin]

A&M has worked out rather well for A&M. Missouri is probably pretty happy too.

I dont like the superconferences either. Bring back the Big 8 and the SWC!

Financially, yes. But I’d argue that the path to becoming a national power is harder for A&M in both football and basketball in the SEC. They will always be an afterthought in their own division to Bama, LSU, and Auburn.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Financially, yes. But I’d argue that the path to becoming a national power is harder for A&M in both football and basketball in the SEC. They will always be an afterthought in their own division to Bama, LSU, and Auburn.

What do you consider a national power?

If you consider that a top 3 team, yes I would agree.

But I can't think of 10 other programs that are better situated at the moment than A&M. 1A is clearly Bama, Clemson and OSU. But 1B has the likes of UGA, OU, ND, etc. I would put A&M in 1B right now. To me, once you are in that grouping, it takes a once in a decade type year to win a tittle It's possible, just like LSU did. But the stars must align. But they are not in the camp where there is no shot (Michigan, USC, etc) To me, that is a national power.

 

[Dale]

11 or the 14 current teams have to extend an invite if it got to that point. Arkansas and A&M could be two easy “No” votes. If you assume those is it that hard to imagine two others?

 

[zelezo vlk]

11 or the 14 current teams have to extend an invite if it got to that point. Arkansas and A&M could be two easy “No” votes. If you assume those is it that hard to imagine two others?

Georgia and Florida were the other two "no's" I read on r/CFB. Perhaps even South Carolina. They're all part of the "no 2nd team in a state" crew.