Superconferences & Realignment

[BobbyMac]

Yeah I was just throwing KU out there because their football program sucks. Ik the whole relegation idea would never happen. I was just saying what would be best for the fans and the game itself. We all know the almighty dollar is what actually counts.

The relegation model is awesome when it's built from the ground up so the revenue share is a winner for the all involved. I mean, imagine how many Triple A championships the Cubs would have won over the last 108 years.

I played basketball in college and went to the tournament twice. The question me and my friends who played rhetorically aske each other yearly is... Would you rather make the tourney and lose in the first round or win the NIT?

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

I'm in a similar hypothetical dreamworld as Gattaca on this one - with some differences.

If they (NCAA) were smart, they would figure out the most important things for the schools to maximize revenue and reduce costs, while keeping important issues like AAU and research at the forefront. The easy way to do this is to strip football out of the equation. Leave the conferences as they are (or let them revert to more regionally based and academic initiative focused reasons), and have conferences for Olympic sports and academics. This should help in the cost of travel for low revenue sports and keep good rivalries in tact. Then make football its own, high $$$, t.v. based mega draw event.

Something like 4 - 18 team Superconferences (MidEast, South, Central, and West for example) geographically based with 2- nine team divisions seeded based on the prior year's results (with consistent tie-breaker rules from top to bottom). Each team plays 8 divisional regular season games, which leaves 4 self-scheduled games that can be used as rivalry games or whatever. This gives 72 teams with a shot at a 4 team playoff.

At the end of the regular season, all 72 teams play in a bowl game set up as 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, . . ., 9 vs 9 of the divisions in the same conference. This would give balanced, and regional bowl games played in the area to attract crowds. The 1 vs 1 would be a playoff quarter final game and the 9 vs 9 would be a relegation game; while still having 36 bowl game + 3 playoff games.

The other 56ish teams would also be set up in 8 regional divisions and have the 8 winners compete in a play off where the top 4 teams get moved up to the P4 conferences the following year. There could be additional bowl games if necessary.

I love the idea of the super conferences being basically static with some changes and shifts, but the divisions constantly shuffling so there are always new and exciting match-ups by taking the results of the bowls to seed the following year's divisions (winner of 1-1; loser of 2-2; winner of 3-3; loser of 4-4; etc would make up a division).

 

[BobbyMac]

The problem DomeX2 is politicians have a say. The NCAA has authority from the member schools as long as the state governments don't step in. It's the School Presidents and Board of Regents that get 48, 64 or 80 teams in a room and say... "We're gonna bust out X amount of schools into our own football organization and keep all the money to ourselves." What happens next in say Texas after UT, A&M & Baylor are the only schools invited is every alum in the state congress from SMU, TCU, Tech, Rice and any other congressmen they can find in both houses to back them draft resolutions that don't allow UT and A&M to join without meeting some provisions

There's all kinds of legislation in various states that lay legal groundwork for what public schools can do in regards to conference affiliation. OU can't go anywhere without OSU. T. Boone didn't drop all that money to let OU run off with UT to the PAC or SEC and leave his school in a glorified FCS conference. The state of Florida has something that states that UF is the only school that can be in the SEC. I think SC currently has the same for SCar. It's tough to make everyone happy.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Haha well I think because of the geographics it wouldn't make sense for the other four conferences to just pick up all of the BIG 12. There would probably need to be some shuffling and trading. I don't think anyone would really want a school like Kansas so they might get forced into a lower conference in this scenario.

Besides even if ND was put in the second teir we would just wreck shit go undefeated for two seasons, be in the playoffs both years, and then replace whoever gets relegated the first time it comes around.

Not if it was 2007

 

[BobbyMac]

Not if it was 2007

But wouldn't you be thrilled if ND DID get busted down to play all of the DI schools in Indiana. You could catch the Irish on the road at Valpo at historic Brown Field.

But with only 5000 seats, each ticket would be $2500. lol

 

[IrishLion]

Let's go Bearcats!

 

[zelezo vlk]

Let's go Bearcats!

You got something to share?

 

[BobbyMac]

Let's go Bearcats!

Is the Big 12 actually going to become the Big 12 once again or are they gonna skip the formalities and go Big 16?

 

[IrishLion]

Big XII "reopened" discussion on conference expansion, which essentially means that it's gonna happen.

The ACC Network announcement forced them into proactive* mode, and it also appears that Texas is probably on-board behind the scenes if it's coming back up.

Bowlsby said the Big XII has already talked to schools in the past, and they will now take calls from those same schools to get feelers on making it happen.

I know a few guys in some important circles at UC, and they are very optimistic, and I've even seen some cryptic statements, but I won't say it's a done deal yet.

 

[BobbyMac]

You got something to share?

Google says we've been trolled.

If UC isn't joing the Big 12, I hope someone piddles in your Skyline!

 

[IrishLion]

Is the Big 12 actually going to become the Big 12 once again or are they gonna skip the formalities and go Big 16?

My guess is that we see UC and [school] added for '17, and two more added in '18 or '19.

 

[IrishLion]

I didn't mean that UC is a lock lol, I'm just a hopeful fan. I wanted to signal possible expansion news with good Bearcat juju on the first bump.

But some guys I know ARE very boisterous and cryptic on social media right now, so my hopes are high.

 

[BobbyMac]

My guess is that we see UC and [school] added for '17, and two more added in '18 or '19.

UC, UCF, Memphis, Houston would be my guess for 14.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm like 95% sure that Cinci and Houston are headed to the Big 12. I've heard that fore years ever since the last round of defections they had.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Cool. Schedule Houston for a game at the Cotton Bowl at a time where Herman should be gone. Or is that too much?

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[phgreek]

Rather see BYU and Houston than Cinci...but thats me being selfish. I got some PAC12 games 30 miles away...wouldn't mind some BIG12 games at 60. Come on BYU....

 

[Legacy]

Ranking 8 candidates for Big 12 expansion by what the conference says it wants

Conclusion by ranking a number of factors (see article)

Based on that, we could easily guess that the Big 12's top three candidates are likely to be BYU, Cincinnati and UConn. There are no guarantees, and the league could expand to four, of course.

 

[phgreek]

Ranking 8 candidates for Big 12 expansion by what the conference says it wants

Conclusion by ranking a number of factors (see article)

BYU...BYU...BYU!

I wander how the coaching change impacts all of this...Bronco Mendenhall was pretty well known, and universally respected. He always outdid his composite recruit rankings...not sure what to think of Sitake as a HC, and I don't know what the conference folks would think. Tough call.

 

[BobbyMac]

UCLA...UCLA...UCLOL!

Former UCLA coach Neuheisel says UCLA should leave for Big 12

 

[IrishLion]

Cincinnati people have "sources" saying the Big XII will trim their list of candidates today, and that Cincy made the cut.

Woot woot!

Wonder if that's going to be a public list?

 

[Cali_domer]

Cincinnati people have "sources" saying the Big XII will trim their list of candidates today, and that Cincy made the cut.

Woot woot!

Wonder if that's going to be a public list?

The Big 12 should have done a reality TV series, the way this has played out is messy.

 

[IrishLion]

The Big 12 should have done a reality TV series, the way this has played out is messy.

It's basically just a money grab until the league falls apart completely in 5 or 6 years, so yes they should have and at least cashed in.

 

[NDRock]

With the Knight Commission report discussing the split of the current FBS programs, I thought I'd see what system guys would enjoy. Here's one way that I find interesting.

I would split the Power 5 teams into 8 divisions of 8 teams. We'll call it League 1. A possible example:

#1 (8 original ACC members)
Clemson
N. Carolina
S. Carolina
NC. State
Duke
Wake
Virginia
Maryland

#2 (Original Big 10 teams)
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Minnessota
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin

#3 - (Original Pac-12 teams)
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington St.
USC
UCLA

#4 - (Original Big 12 members)
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas St.
Oklahoma
Ok. State
Texas
Texas Tech

#5 - (SEC East)
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Kentucky
Louisville
Tennessee
Vandy

#6 - (SEC West)
Arkansas
Auburn
Bama
LSU
Mississippi
Miss. State
Missouri
Texas A&M

#7 (Non original members of Big 10/Pac 12)
Ohio State
Michigan State
Penn State
Nebraska
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah

#8 - (Everyone else, mostly old Big East)
Notre Dame
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Miami
Virginia Tech.
Rutgers
West Virginia

The remaining 66 teams (League 2) would be split up into 8 divisions as well and would be matched up with the corresponding division from above.

#1
Appy State
ECU
Old Dominion
Marshall
W. Kentucky
Liberty
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina

#2
Ball State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois
Toledo
W. Michigan
Akron
Bowling Green

#3
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
Nevada
San Diego
UNLV
Utah State
Boise State

#4
TCU
Tulsa
UTSA
UTEP
Rice
North Texas
SUM
Houston
Tulsa

#5
USF
UCF
FIU
FAU
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Memphis
MTSU

#6
Louisiana Tech
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Louisiana Monroe
Tulane
Ark State
Louisiana
Southern Miss

#7
Cincinnati
Ohio
Miami/Ohio
BYU
New Mexico State
Wyoming
New Mexico
Colorado State

#8
Army
Navy
Air Force
UCONN
UMASS
Buffalo
Temple
Kent State

Scheduling - Each team with would play all seven members of their division plus one rivalry game from another division. The remaining four games would be split with two coming from other divisions within their own league and two from the lower league.

Playoffs - Win your division and you're in the 8 team playoff. Each league will have a playoff and champion.

Relegation/Promotion - The last place team of each division would be relegated to the corresponding division of the lower league. The division champion of the lower league would be promoted to the corresponding division of the upper league.

 

[tussin]

#7 is an awful conference in almost every way.

 

[NDRock]

#7 is an awful conference in almost every way.

Yeah, the details are in no way perfect. I’m sure there is a better way to mix/match the teams up.

 

[BobbyMac]

We knew the money was in TV before, now it's everything in a post-Covid world.

The P5's are going to do something that includes mega-market teams that P5 does not own. SDSU, UNLV, Houston for sure, then maybe SJSU, Cincy, SMU, USF etc depending on if these markets are covered by an existing P5 team.

They will leave no big money on the table.

 

[tussin]

We knew the money was in TV before, now it's everything in a post-Covid world.

The P5's are going to do something that includes mega-market teams that P5 does not own. SDSU, UNLV, Houston for sure, then maybe SJSU, Cincy, SMU, USF etc depending on if these markets are covered by an existing P5 team.

They will leave no big money on the table.

My pipedream is that they set up a super-conference with 50+ teams and and schedules that preserve all of the traditional rivalries. It's sad to me that we don't annually get games like Missouri/Kansas, Oklahoma/Nebraska, PSU/Pitt, Pitt/WVU, and Texas/Texas A&M.

Big money, conference realignment, and the playoff has caused the sport to go downhill. Play by play spends half of every broadcast talking about the playoff. Even as an ND fan, it's tiresome.

 

[NDRock]

My pipedream is that they set up a super-conference with 50+ teams and and schedules that preserve all of the traditional rivalries. It's sad to me that we don't annually get games like Missouri/Kansas, Oklahoma/Nebraska, PSU/Pitt, Pitt/WVU, and Texas/Texas A&M.

Big money, conference realignment, and the playoff has caused the sport to go downhill. Play by play spends half of every broadcast talking about the playoff. Even as an ND fan, it's tiresome.

Agree. I do think smaller amount of conference games could open up old rivalries being played. My biggest issue with the playoff is it’s not decided on the field. The eye test crap is stupid terrible. I’m also not a fan of CCGs and having to play Clemson twice (maybe 3 times), it essentially means the first game meant very little. Would rather have a system where you play everyone in your conference once and the winner makes the playoff. Feels like the games mean more.

I also would love a promotion/relegation system but that’s the soccer fan in me.

 

[Legacy]

I would have liked to see Missouri playing in an original Big 8 division. TCU moves back to a League #2 level. Their rivals are SMU (League #2) and Baylor (#1). Ohio State and Michigan not in the same division? BYU moving up to League 1 would be a travel nightmare.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

With the Knight Commission report discussing the split of the current FBS programs, I thought I'd see what system guys would enjoy. Here's one way that I find interesting.

I would split the Power 5 teams into 8 divisions of 8 teams. We'll call it League 1. A possible example:

#1 (8 original ACC members)
Clemson
N. Carolina
S. Carolina
NC. State
Duke
Wake
Virginia
Maryland

#2 (Original Big 10 teams)
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Minnessota
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin

#3 - (Original Pac-12 teams)
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington St.
USC
UCLA

#4 - (Original Big 12 members)
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas St.
Oklahoma
Ok. State
Texas
Texas Tech

#5 - (SEC East)
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Kentucky
Louisville
Tennessee
Vandy

#6 - (SEC West)
Arkansas
Auburn
Bama
LSU
Mississippi
Miss. State
Missouri
Texas A&M

#7 (Non original members of Big 10/Pac 12)
Ohio State
Michigan State
Penn State
Nebraska
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah

#8 - (Everyone else, mostly old Big East)
Notre Dame
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Miami
Virginia Tech.
Rutgers
West Virginia

The remaining 66 teams (League 2) would be split up into 8 divisions as well and would be matched up with the corresponding division from above.

#1
Appy State
ECU
Old Dominion
Marshall
W. Kentucky
Liberty
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina

#2
Ball State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois
Toledo
W. Michigan
Akron
Bowling Green

#3
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
Nevada
San Diego
UNLV
Utah State
Boise State

#4
TCU
Tulsa
UTSA
UTEP
Rice
North Texas
SUM
Houston
Tulsa

#5
USF
UCF
FIU
FAU
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Memphis
MTSU

#6
Louisiana Tech
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Louisiana Monroe
Tulane
Ark State
Louisiana
Southern Miss

#7
Cincinnati
Ohio
Miami/Ohio
BYU
New Mexico State
Wyoming
New Mexico
Colorado State

#8
Army
Navy
Air Force
UCONN
UMASS
Buffalo
Temple
Kent State

Scheduling - Each team with would play all seven members of their division plus one rivalry game from another division. The remaining four games would be split with two coming from other divisions within their own league and two from the lower league.

Playoffs - Win your division and you're in the 8 team playoff. Each league will have a playoff and champion.

Relegation/Promotion - The last place team of each division would be relegated to the corresponding division of the lower league. The division champion of the lower league would be promoted to the corresponding division of the upper league.

I love Division #8. The Big East before the ACC raids was so much fun. Hard to overstate how much bad blood there was between Pitt, VT, and WVU back in the day. And of course everyone in the conference despised Miami. We’d fit right in given our history with most of those programs and we wouldn’t have to play these god forsaken North Carolina basketball schools year after year. My only change would be to bring in Georgia Tech and send Rutgers packing.