Superconferences & Realignment

[GoldenIsThyFame]

The Delany propaganda machine rolls on...

Report: Big Ten Has Evaluated Vanderbilt as Potential Expansion Target - Team Speed Kills

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The Delany propaganda machine rolls on...

Report: Big Ten Has Evaluated Vanderbilt as Potential Expansion Target - Team Speed Kills

Barfknecht? That's not someone's real name, is it?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Dennis Dodd just published a new article on realignment:

As the annual (and last) BCS meetings convene here, there is talk about the power conferences breaking away from the NCAA and forming their own association. Sixty-five or so schools calling the shots because they can. Sixty-five or so schools calling the shots because they have.

Unintended consequence of the BCS? Whether it actually happens, it already has happened, figuratively. The large majority of national championships and more than 70 percent of the playoff money will flow to the ACC, SEC, Big 12, Big Ten and Pac-12. Just like always only bigger money, more power. Issues that will formally guide college football toward what many think it already is -- a semi-pro feeder system for the NFL.

Perhaps it’s time to drop the pretense, quit funding volleyball and prepare young men for their chosen profession -- of football, basketball or whatever. Despite what Bob Stoops says, we’re headed toward at least paying athletes something, aren’t we? The O’Bannon lawsuit looms. Bodies are being sacrificed at the altar of bowl eligibility, and concussions -- for the threat of lawsuits stemming from them -- aren’t going away anytime soon.

 

[Domina Nostra]

If they went to 5 superconferences, and each had 2 7-team divisions, you would capture 70 schools. If you went to 8-team divisions, you would have 80 schools. That would capture just about everyone with a half-decent team.

If they did 4 superconferences, the Big 12 and ACC would have to merge and some schools would inevitably get dropped.

 

[domerfreak]

texas flirting with B1G

texas flirting with B1G

with the rumors of oliver luck to be the new texas ad figures these types of conference realignments would surface. i figured the B1G wasnt done trying to add teams yet but do they stand a chance with texas?

Texas to the Big 10????

 

[Cali_domer]

This all started with the WVU people who are always wrong so nothing to see here. The GoR(Grant of Rights that was signed by the Big 12 members) is even to much money for a rich Athletic Department like UT to pay to get out of the contract.

 

[Irish#1]

There were some discussion a couple of years ago when it was announced that Nebraska was coming to the B1G. Missouri was in that same discussion. I'm not sure how it would fit, but with Texas now having their own network, I'm not sure this rumor will have much traction.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I am extremely doubtful this marriage happens. The B1G is the conference least likely to hand out special status to a new member and Texas is the program who will demand it the most.

 

[irishpat183]

Not gonna happen...But an interesting thought.

Texas would be the big shot on campus day one with their own network(which is failing, for the record) and the amount of money that pours into that program.

I don't think UM or OSU would give in to some of the demands made by TX (if there were any)

 

[ResLife Hero]

An article from January about how the GoR might not be that big of a hurdle after all:
Myth of the Big 12's Grant of rights : Outkick The Coverage

I'm not sure I really see the fit, but the Big XII hasn't been able to replace what it lost or stop the attrition rumors so it might be time to jump ship.

 

[irishpat183]

An article from January about how the GoR might not be that big of a hurdle after all:
Myth of the Big 12's Grant of rights : Outkick The Coverage

I'm not sure I really see the fit, but the Big XII hasn't been able to replace what it lost or stop the attrition rumors so it might be time to jump ship.

I agree with that. But I always saw UT being a better fit in the PAC12 for some reason....


But the Big12 is done.

 

[ResLife Hero]

I agree with that. But I always saw UT being a better fit in the PAC12 for some reason....


But the Big12 is done.

The PAC 12 would absolutely be a better fit for sports, and it would be mutually beneficial since it would increase UT's access to West Coast talent and other schools' access to Texas. Not to mention the LHN would add television exposure that West Coast schools sometimes miss out on. Texas to the B1G seems like it would be a bigger win for the conference than UT.

 

[Cali_domer]

An article from January about how the GoR might not be that big of a hurdle after all:
Myth of the Big 12's Grant of rights : Outkick The Coverage

I'm not sure I really see the fit, but the Big XII hasn't been able to replace what it lost or stop the attrition rumors so it might be time to jump ship.

The Big 12 is the most unstable conference (Beside the AAC who everyone wants out of now), when you lose 4 members it's hard to be stable.

But if you read the By-laws of the Big 12 they make it seem a lot harder to get out then what the GoR contract states. www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/Bylaws.pdf

 

[Rack Em]

The PAC 12 would absolutely be a better fit for sports, and it would be mutually beneficial since it would increase UT's access to West Coast talent and other schools' access to Texas. Not to mention the LHN would add television exposure that West Coast schools sometimes miss out on. Texas to the B1G seems like it would be a bigger win for the conference than UT.

This would also guarantee that the B1G would be relegated to a bottom feeder in CFB. The Big12 would basically dissolve and there would be a race by the B1G, Pac12, SEC, and ACC to grab what's left of the Big12.

Not much there for the B1G to pick from geographically and academically. If Texas leaves the Big12 and doesn't go to the B1G.....look out. That conference is DONE.

 

[ACamp1900]

Nebraska left the 12 bascially because of Texas... and Texas has one of the more sweetheart deals in any confreence... none of this would make any sense...

at least that's my first thought when I read this.

 

[Irish#1]

Is Texas a research based school? The B1G requires members to be researched based. If this gets any traction, I can't see the B1G giving into any demands. The B1G network is supposed to be making a lot of money so they would have some leverage.

 

[Cali_domer]

Is Texas a research based school? The B1G requires members to be researched based. If this gets any traction, I can't see the B1G giving into any demands. The B1G network is supposed to be making a lot of money so they would have some leverage.

I believe they're top 50 research university(Guess). More importantly they're AAU which the Big Ten covents in membership(Minus Nebraska losing that status shortly after joining the Big Ten).

Texas won't join the Big Ten were they have to be an equal member. They are the kings of the Big 12 and I imagine it would take a lot for them to give that up. Plus UT loves the LHN no matter that it's not doing so well.

 

[Buster Bluth]

This would also guarantee that the B1G would be relegated to a bottom feeder in CFB. The Big12 would basically dissolve and there would be a race by the B1G, Pac12, SEC, and ACC to grab what's left of the Big12.

Not much there for the B1G to pick from geographically and academically. If Texas leaves the Big12 and doesn't go to the B1G.....look out. That conference is DONE.

What? They generate sooo much money, and have power programs like Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Nebraska. You can't have that kind of program power and be a bottom feeder.

 

[Rack Em]

What? They generate sooo much money, and have power programs like Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Nebraska. You can't have that kind of program power and be a bottom feeder.

The way I see it, the upper echelon of the Pac12, ACC, and the SEC would be way better than the B1G. The conference would be the clear 4th of the big 4, IMO. Maybe I didn't word that well. Sure they have a lot of money and 4 traditional powers but they're also completely landlocked from expansion academically.

TCU, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and West Virginia.

Of that group, the B1G couldn't really add anyone of consequence to their conference that wouldn't prefer a home in the Pac12, SEC, or ACC.

Again JMO. I also have an undying hatred of the B1G that clouds my judgment. So I'll defer to you, Buster, since you're far more familiar with that crappy conference.

 

[IrishLax]

Looks like it's not Oliver Luck as the new Texas AD, and it is in fact ASU's AD... who is most famous for being a total tool about ND trying to cancel next year's game.

One of the very few mistakes Jack has made to date in not having an easily exercisable out clause in that contract.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Looks like it's not Oliver Luck as the new Texas AD, and it is in fact ASU's AD... who is most famous for being a total tool about ND trying to cancel next year's game.

One of the very few mistakes Jack has made to date in not having an easily exercisable out clause in that contract.

ASU AD: Notre Dame would rather play Rice or Temple ArizonaSports.com

"I think they're excited about their new TV contract with the ACC, so they think it's probably not as beneficial to come to Tempe and take on Todd's team," Patterson said. "I think they've got a football coach who would prefer to play Rice and Temple.

 

[ulukinatme]

For the time being, I believe major conference realignment is done and over with for the next few years. I've seen B1G forums where everyone claims the GOR is weak, and that conference realignment is done when Delaney says it's done. Every month the realignment thread gets bumped as theres some new "source" that claims so and so is on board to join and it's only a matter of time. Well, time passes, and nothing is changed. Right now the best prospects to join the B1G are from the AAC, and I don't think many of those teams qualify for AAU...plus the best prospects from that conference, Cinci and probably UConn, don't really do anything to strengthen the B1G or increase their footprint.

So, at this point I'll believe a Big 12 or ACC team is moving when I see an official statement from the school or conference. Otherwise I'm inclined to believe theres no major shakeups for a few years.

 

[Domina Nostra]

The ACC really benefitted from recent moves, but especially from Jameis Winston.

The ACC + ND and Louisville looks fine to me, even as it compares to the SEC. The SEC is better, but its not such a huge leap any more. For example, all of these matchups could be good:

FSU v. Alabama
Clemson v. Tex A&M
Louisville v. Missouri
Miami v. LSU
Notre Dame v. South Carolina
Georgia Tech v. Auburn
Virginia Tech v. Florida
Ole Miss v. Duke

 

[irishff1014]

The ACC really benefitted from recent moves, but especially from Jameis Winston.

The ACC + ND and Louisville looks fine to me, even as it compares to the SEC. The SEC is better, but its not such a huge leap any more. For example, all of these matchups could be good:

FSU v. Alabama
Clemson v. Tex A&M
Louisville v. Missouri
Miami v. LSU
Notre Dame v. South Carolina
Georgia Tech v. Auburn
Virginia Tech v. Florida
Ole Miss v. Duke

Those last 3 are a bit of a stretch don't you think?

 

[ulukinatme]

Those last 3 are a bit of a stretch don't you think?

Florida vs. VT this year isn't much of a stretch, but only because Florida is on a 3 game losing streak, and if Beamer gets back on track to where they used to be then VT would be a good match again.

Georgia Tech vs. Auburn may be somewhat of a stretch, but only because Auburn is having a better year with their new coach. Last year Georgia Tech would have been more than a match for Auburn. The GT defense isn't shabby, and they run the ball very, very well.

Ole Miss vs. Duke?...Yeah, I got nothin', can't spin that one. Duke got killed by GT, and while they played better against Navy than we did (Not one of the Midshipmen's best games), they've had one big win and a lot of easier opponents outside that. I think they got pretty lucky to beat VT, a lot of turnovers ended up sealing VT's fate. They're still having a great season by Duke standards, but until they can string a few of these together I kind of feel Ole Miss would whip them with the talent they're starting to bring in.

 

[Irish#1]

This would also guarantee that the B1G would be relegated to a bottom feeder in CFB. The Big12 would basically dissolve and there would be a race by the B1G, Pac12, SEC, and ACC to grab what's left of the Big12.

Not much there for the B1G to pick from geographically and academically. If Texas leaves the Big12 and doesn't go to the B1G.....look out. That conference is DONE.

Keep in mind these mergers include other sports. The B1G has replaced the ACC as king when it comes to basketball.

 

[Rack Em]

Keep in mind these mergers include other sports. The B1G has replaced the ACC as king when it comes to basketball.

Indiana
Michigan State
Ohio State
Michigan*
Wisconsin*
Purdue*

vs.

UNC
Duke
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse
Notre Dame
Miami*
Florida State*
NC State*

Personally, the ACC can give the B1G a run for its money in basketball after conference realignment.

 

[chubler]

Indiana
Michigan State
Ohio State
Michigan*
Wisconsin*
Purdue*

vs.

UNC
Duke
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse
Notre Dame
Miami*
Florida State*
NC State*

Personally, the ACC can give the B1G a run for its money in basketball after conference realignment.

I'm with you there. Actually I might go one step further and say the ACC is definitely better as far as the future goes than the B1G.

Duke and UNC are the bluest of bloods in basketball, the B1G can only claim one basketball school in that tier, Indiana.
I'll take Syracuse and Louisville over Ohio State and Michigan 9 years out of 10. Pitt's better than Wisconsin, ND's better than Purdue...

It's no contest, really. If UNC and Syracuse weren't down last year while Michigan was at historic heights and Indiana was at its recent pinnacle, this wouldn't even be a conversation.

 

[ulukinatme]

I thought it was understood that the ACC was and is the basketball powerhouse after conference realignment? I know they made some mention that the ACC was first and foremost a basketball first league and football second during the last merger. Of course, theres 4 ACC teams that are improving their stock on the field in recent years: Miami, UNC, Louisville, and us.

 

[ACamp1900]

Now I don't follow cbb near as much as other sports, but with my base of knowledge doesn't that ACC group murder that BIG10 group?? Now and on average?