Stanford Recruiting and Everything Else

[BobbyMac]

...and, no (or extremely limited) scholarships with need at other positions.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

...and, no (or extremely limited) scholarships with need at other positions.

Can he play corner?

 

[KizerWilhelm]

I know we're all mostly joking about Swann transferring here, but here's a pre-game interview with him in case anyone thinks its a possibility:

I've not been a Notre Dame fan for a long time, even before I came to Stanford, just to be straight up with you. But it means a lot just to strap up and go against a team like that. People have dislike for them because they are such a great program. I just happen to be born in Michigan and it ended up that way but I think it's a great team.

https://247sports.com/college/stanf...game-loss-and-notre-dame-animosity-139316257/

 

[NDMIA]

Stanford has a crisis involving the transfer portal and the lack of ability to maintain enough depth for a college football season. The bottom line for Stanford is to keep as close to 85 recruited scholarship guys as possible but that’s proven difficult. According to my count they were at 73 recruited scholarship guys this past season and that’s just not good enough. They do give tons of scholarships to walk ons but they need to be closer to 85 and build some depth.

Offensively they’ve done a pretty good job at stocking the cupboards for next season. They’ve got Tanner McKee coming in from a mission leaving them 4 extremely talented QB’s if Costello comes back and that would be plenty of depth to develop talent. RB they are bringing in 1 guy to replace Cameron Scarlett which would leave a RB room of 6 scholarship guys which is strong. TE you’re looking at 6 scholarship guys with the two freshman coming in if Colby Parkinson doesn’t declare for the NFL draft. Either way, strong numbers there. WR they’ve got 11 dudes for next season right now and that’s the same as ND which is solid. OL-wise they have 15 dudes committed for next season which the ideal number but you hope their transfers are limited to just Dylan Powell. They’ve been absolutely ravaged by injuries this season and they carried 12 scholarship OLineman which was not nearly enough.

Defensively they are looking at some serious issues coming up. No position is worse at Stanford football than Defensive Line. From looking at many 3-4 schools around the country, many teams prefer to have around 12 scholarship guys to go 4 deep at every position due to the attrition over the season, the need for subs during a game and the development over the course of your career. Stanford is projected to have 7 scholarship DLineman right now!!! That’s a two deep and then 1 dude. That’s a disaster and unfortunately they likely can’t take a graduate transfer and they’ve not got many more options available to them other than offering a bunch more high school seniors and hoping they’re ready. As for linebacker, they are projected to return 14 of their 16 scholarship dudes and haven’t recruited any LBers this cycle. 14 is a solid number if they can avoid attrition like the DLine. Defensive back is projected to return 14 out of their 14 scholarship guys and bring in 3 recruits which is great. Their big issue is that they seem likely to lose Paulson Adebo to the NFL draft.

On Special Teams they are bringing the number 1 kicker in the country according to Kohl’s kicking and a long snapper. They return their kicker and punter who performed pretty well (their punter was a top ranked punter coming out of Kohl’s last year). Special teams aren’t really too big of an issue for Stanford as they usually can recruit special teamers well.

Overall, Stanford is in okay shape from a numbers perspective but unfortunately they’ve got some glaring weaknesses. Defensive line is going to be their ultimate issue next season that will prevent them from competing at the highest of levels. Unless they can convince a few of their transfers to back out of the portal, then they’ll be in serious trouble of having to play freshman along the DLine right away. Their other issue is that of injuries. They don’t have or recruit 4-5*’s nonstop so they can’t afford their amount of injuries that they sustained this season. I’m not sure if it’s their style, their training staff or what it is but they were absolutely decimated by injury and that has to change for them to make it through a season in good shape. If they can stay healthy next season then they should be very good offensively as they have tons of talent along the offensive line and at WR along with QB but nobody has proven they can stay healthy. If that does occur then they’ll be a tough out.

Lastly, they’ve got loads of recruiting to still do between now and February. They are definitely going to scour the country for defensive lineman to fill up their class. They’re also looking at another RB, OL, WR, a few LBers and a DB potentially. If I’m a Stanford fan I’m probably rooting for David Shaw to be more aggressive in trying to get to that 85 number by spring and build up that recruited depth at Stanford. We’ll see because it is a crucial few months in Palo Alto.

 

[IrishLax]

Stanford has a crisis involving the transfer portal and the lack of ability to maintain enough depth for a college football season. The bottom line for Stanford is to keep as close to 85 recruited scholarship guys as possible but that’s proven difficult. According to my count they were at 73 recruited scholarship guys this past season and that’s just not good enough. They do give tons of scholarships to walk ons but they need to be closer to 85 and build some depth.

Offensively they’ve done a pretty good job at stocking the cupboards for next season. They’ve got Tanner McKee coming in from a mission leaving them 4 extremely talented QB’s if Costello comes back and that would be plenty of depth to develop talent. RB they are bringing in 1 guy to replace Cameron Scarlett which would leave a RB room of 6 scholarship guys which is strong. TE you’re looking at 6 scholarship guys with the two freshman coming in if Colby Parkinson doesn’t declare for the NFL draft. Either way, strong numbers there. WR they’ve got 11 dudes for next season right now and that’s the same as ND which is solid. OL-wise they have 15 dudes committed for next season which the ideal number but you hope their transfers are limited to just Dylan Powell. They’ve been absolutely ravaged by injuries this season and they carried 12 scholarship OLineman which was not nearly enough.

Defensively they are looking at some serious issues coming up. No position is worse at Stanford football than Defensive Line. From looking at many 3-4 schools around the country, many teams prefer to have around 12 scholarship guys to go 4 deep at every position due to the attrition over the season, the need for subs during a game and the development over the course of your career. Stanford is projected to have 7 scholarship DLineman right now!!! That’s a two deep and then 1 dude. That’s a disaster and unfortunately they likely can’t take a graduate transfer and they’ve not got many more options available to them other than offering a bunch more high school seniors and hoping they’re ready. As for linebacker, they are projected to return 14 of their 16 scholarship dudes and haven’t recruited any LBers this cycle. 14 is a solid number if they can avoid attrition like the DLine. Defensive back is projected to return 14 out of their 14 scholarship guys and bring in 3 recruits which is great. Their big issue is that they seem likely to lose Paulson Adebo to the NFL draft.

On Special Teams they are bringing the number 1 kicker in the country according to Kohl’s kicking and a long snapper. They return their kicker and punter who performed pretty well (their punter was a top ranked punter coming out of Kohl’s last year). Special teams aren’t really too big of an issue for Stanford as they usually can recruit special teamers well.

Overall, Stanford is in okay shape from a numbers perspective but unfortunately they’ve got some glaring weaknesses. Defensive line is going to be their ultimate issue next season that will prevent them from competing at the highest of levels. Unless they can convince a few of their transfers to back out of the portal, then they’ll be in serious trouble of having to play freshman along the DLine right away. Their other issue is that of injuries. They don’t have or recruit 4-5*’s nonstop so they can’t afford their amount of injuries that they sustained this season. I’m not sure if it’s their style, their training staff or what it is but they were absolutely decimated by injury and that has to change for them to make it through a season in good shape. If they can stay healthy next season then they should be very good offensively as they have tons of talent along the offensive line and at WR along with QB but nobody has proven they can stay healthy. If that does occur then they’ll be a tough out.

Lastly, they’ve got loads of recruiting to still do between now and February. They are definitely going to scour the country for defensive lineman to fill up their class. They’re also looking at another RB, OL, WR, a few LBers and a DB potentially. If I’m a Stanford fan I’m probably rooting for David Shaw to be more aggressive in trying to get to that 85 number by spring and build up that recruited depth at Stanford. We’ll see because it is a crucial few months in Palo Alto.

It's deeper than the transfer portal, too. They used to build depth by having a lot of guys stay for 5th years. Now? All their top tier players leave after 3. And they still don't recruit high numbers. And they aren't juicing anymore. And a lot of their 5-star talents don't play like 5-stars.

The end result is that they have massive roster holes at some positions. Often on here we play the game of "who would start for Bama?" when talking about ND's talent. If you ask "who would start for ND?" when looking at Stanford's roster the answer is basically Adebo (almost certainly leaving) and Little (possibly leaving) and that's it. They do not have a single DL that would've played for us this year. I criticize White and Bilal regularly for some aspects of their play, but Stanford does not have linebackers that would play over them. Even at RB and with our inconsistent OL, who do they have that would play at ND? There is no one on Stanford that scares you. They are in a bad spot as a program.

 

[zelezo vlk]

It's deeper than the transfer portal, too. They used to build depth by having a lot of guys stay for 5th years. Now? All their top tier players leave after 3. And they still don't recruit high numbers. And they aren't juicing anymore. And a lot of their 5-star talents don't play like 5-stars.

The end result is that they have massive roster holes at some positions. Often on here we play the game of "who would start for Bama?" when talking about ND's talent. If you ask "who would start for ND?" when looking at Stanford's roster the answer is basically Adebo (almost certainly leaving) and Little (possibly leaving) and that's it. They do not have a single DL that would've played for us this year. I criticize White and Bilal regularly for some aspects of their play, but Stanford does not have linebackers that would play over them. Even at RB and with our inconsistent OL, who do they have that would play at ND? There is no one on Stanford that scares you. They are in a bad spot as a program.

 

[Legacy]

NDMIA, correct me if I am wrong but another factor in their lack of depth is that many scholarship players do not play much.

In the 2017 class of fourteen, I am talking about sophomores like Stratford, Caleb Kelly, Umerah, Bonner, and injuries to Magnum-Farrar and Miezan, all of whom had redshirt years as freshmen. Those are all part of the 73 scholarship players, who did not contribute in 2019.

In other classes, Stuart Head, Trevor Speights, Donald Stewart, Ben Edwards, Bo Peek.

 

[dublinirish]

So Stanford is basically Charlie Weis era ND now?

 

[PANDFAN]

NDMIA, correct me if I am wrong but another factor in their lack of depth is that many scholarship players do not play much.

In the 2017 class of fourteen, I am talking about sophomores like Stratford, Caleb Kelly, Umerah, Bonner, and injuries to Magnum-Farrar and Miezan, all of whom had redshirt years as freshmen. Those are all part of the 73 scholarship players, who did not contribute in 2019.

In other classes, Stuart Head, Trevor Speights, Donald Stewart, Ben Edwards, Bo Peek.

he went to oklahoma

 

[dublinirish]

he went to oklahoma

has been injured this year - tore his ACL back in spring

 

[PANDFAN]

NDMIA, correct me if I am wrong but another factor in their lack of depth is that many scholarship players do not play much.

In the 2017 class of fourteen, I am talking about sophomores like Stratford, Caleb Kelly, Umerah, Bonner, and injuries to Magnum-Farrar and Miezan, all of whom had redshirt years as freshmen. Those are all part of the 73 scholarship players, who did not contribute in 2019.

In other classes, Stuart Head, Trevor Speights, Donald Stewart, Ben Edwards, Bo Peek.

has been injured this year - tore his ACL back in spring

he was pointing out about players at stanford....i highlighted caleb kelly went to oklahoma not stanford

 

[dublinirish]

oh yep meant to reply to your post, not his

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Different Caleb Kelly

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Starting CB transferring out, too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stanford CB Obi Eboh is in the transfer portal, per a source. The former No. 354 overall player in the 2016 class is the third Stanford defender to transfer in as many days: <a href="https://t.co/NqBckTIFEQ">https://t.co/NqBckTIFEQ</a></p>— Chris Hummer (@chris_hummer) <a href="https://twitter.com/chris_hummer/status/1202994499309506560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Luckylucci]

So this is pretty crazy. 3 defensive starters moving on. Makes me wonder if this is internal turmoil causing this or the staff is choosing to move on from these guys. I get wanting to create roster turnover in a year you absolutely sucked but not sure they have the depth or horses to do this.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Starting CB transferring out, too.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stanford CB Obi Eboh is in the transfer portal, per a source. The former No. 354 overall player in the 2016 class is the third Stanford defender to transfer in as many days: <a href="https://t.co/NqBckTIFEQ">https://t.co/NqBckTIFEQ</a></p>— Chris Hummer (@chris_hummer) <a href="https://twitter.com/chris_hummer/status/1202994499309506560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Any interest from ND?


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[tko]

Death to Tree. Seeing their crap field and empty stadium makes me sick. May they wallow in misery for many years to come.

 

[Luckylucci]

Any interest from ND?


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Being a CB is interesting due to our roster holes but I believe he was a starter, then lost his job, to then get it back due to injury. So, in all 3 of these scenarios we're talking about guys that wouldn't start next year on a porous defense.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Being a CB is interesting due to our roster holes but I believe he was a starter, then lost his job, to then get it back due to injury. So, in all 3 of these scenarios we're talking about guys that wouldn't start next year on a porous defense.

Was the guy he lost it to Adebo? Because that's forgivable.

 

[Legacy]

Caleb Kelly - Stanford

 

[koonja]

I for one and very down for Stanford being a 6 win team. They do not deserve elite student athletes.

We do.

 

[Luckylucci]

Curtis Robinson was the big time LB prospect we lost to Stanford. He’s a senior with a very uninspiring career so far. Injured as a Junior but nothing exciting in all 12 games this year.

 

[BobbyMac]

Curtis Robinson was the big time LB prospect we lost to Stanford. He’s a senior with a very uninspiring career so far. Injured as a Junior but nothing exciting in all 12 games this year.

Funny huh... he turned out to be an oft injured, poor man's Bilal.

Even funnier is Casey Toohill who couldn't even get a PWO from ND (his dream school) and then basically balls out in Palo Alto.

In some alternate universe, Toohill, Paddy Fisher and Blake Gallagher are this year's Stonebreaker, Bolcar & Pritchett.

 

[Legacy]

Alaka'i Gilman decommits from Washington State and has four CBs to Stanford.

Stanford offensive lineman Henry Hattis entered the transfer portal making a total of eight.

Stanford 2020 College Football Transfer Portal

 

[Irish#1]

So this is pretty crazy. 3 defensive starters moving on. Makes me wonder if this is internal turmoil causing this or the staff is choosing to move on from these guys. I get wanting to create roster turnover in a year you absolutely sucked but not sure they have the depth or horses to do this.

I can't imagine this is what's happening. You need bodies, so maybe there is some undercurrent of turmoil.

 

[Huntr]

They had another one enter the portal today.

And isn't that a shame.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Stanford?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Stanford</a> offensive lineman Devery Hamilton is in the transfer portal. He's the 11th Stanford player to enter the portal since the end of the season.</p>— Adam Rittenberg (@ESPNRittenberg) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/1205257229475229700?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2019</a></blockquote>

 

[Luckylucci]

For a team that usually has low scholarship numbers to begin with, this could be crippling to their team next year.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Honestly, makes me think that Shaw bolts to the NFL.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[Luckylucci]

According to their 247 board there is one cohort that thinks it's just making space for incoming recruits. And there is another that thinks there are some internal problems. S&C coach and OL/DL coaches that are the root cause of this.