So the Urban Meyer chase is on.

[IrishLion]

Is he worse than any other coach who did the same things but simply couldn't win the players a national championship, thus inviting the spot light?

I'm not interviewing him to babysit my children. I appreciate his greatness as a coach, as do I with Saban.

Uh, yeah. He is.

He fostered a culture worse (on record!) than any other since the late 80's Miami teams (and that's just speculation on Miami, because I haven't read articles/figures about their arrest rate lol). A culture so bad that it enabled several of his "super stars" to get into truly heavy, horrible shit. You can't blame Urban for all of that, obviously, but he certainly didn't detract from it, or take ownership of his players in an off-field sense (except for Tebow, duh).

I know Nick Saban is a win-at-all-costs guy too... but he hasn't left the same type of trail of pain and suffering in his wake that Urban did, for example (except for that dude at Miami that had the medical emergency, and Saban just stepped over him to keep walking). In terms of his current stint, it appears Bama generally creates a pretty good culture of former players coming back around, whatever your beliefs about the football-factory experience.

Plus, Urban let his on-field passion bleed into his spectacularly-failed NFL stint, concluding with photos of his fingers in some girls ass at a bar in Ohio the day after a loss, when he should have been in the office figuring his shit out, and while his wife was at home babysitting his grandkids.

Yeah, he's worse.

 

[Lberry]

Uh, yeah. He is.

He fostered a culture worse (on record!) than any other since the late 80's Miami teams (and that's just speculation on Miami, because I haven't read articles/figures about their arrest rate lol). A culture so bad that it enabled several of his "super stars" to get into truly heavy, horrible shit. You can't blame Urban for all of that, obviously, but he certainly didn't detract from it, or take ownership of his players in an off-field sense (except for Tebow, duh).

I know Nick Saban is a win-at-all-costs guy too... but he hasn't left the same type of trail of pain and suffering in his wake that Urban did, for example. In fact, it appears Bama generally creates a pretty good culture of former players coming back around, whatever your beliefs about the football-factory experience.

Plus, Urban let his on-field passion bleed into his spectacularly-failed NFL stint, concluding with photos of his fingers in some girls ass while his wife was at home babysitting his grandkids.

Yeah, he's worse.

I think we give unnoticed coaches too much credit. There are a ton of win at all costs, dirtball coaches, but 98% don't win enough to get focused on.

Again, I have nothing to say about Urban's character. He's one of the best CFB coaches of all time and through episode 1, it's an awesome football documentary. I'm not watching to judge his passage to heaven.

I just said he's one of the best and SEC football is special and we should enjoy it while it is what it is.

On to episode 2 😎

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Uh, yeah. He is.

He fostered a culture worse (on record!) than any other since the late 80's Miami teams (and that's just speculation on Miami, because I haven't read articles/figures about their arrest rate lol). A culture so bad that it enabled several of his "super stars" to get into truly heavy, horrible shit. You can't blame Urban for all of that, obviously, but he certainly didn't detract from it, or take ownership of his players in an off-field sense (except for Tebow, duh).

I know Nick Saban is a win-at-all-costs guy too... but he hasn't left the same type of trail of pain and suffering in his wake that Urban did, for example (except for that dude at Miami that had the medical emergency, and Saban just stepped over him to keep walking). In terms of his current stint, it appears Bama generally creates a pretty good culture of former players coming back around, whatever your beliefs about the football-factory experience.

Plus, Urban let his on-field passion bleed into his spectacularly-failed NFL stint, concluding with photos of his fingers in some girls ass at a bar in Ohio the day after a loss, when he should have been in the office figuring his shit out, and while his wife was at home babysitting his grandkids.

Yeah, he's worse.

Some of the fruit from his coaching tree is pretty rotten too.

Tim Beckman
Tom Herman
Addazio
DJ Durkin

Difficult people to work with and a few of whom who mistreated players to the point they were fired.

I don't put Meyer in the same class as Saban. Saban is in a class by himself.

My wife played soccer at BGSU when Meyer was there (and Durkin was a player. #asshole). Much of what you see in his documentary is what things were like at BG, and that was his first job. It was military type shit day in and day out trying to get guys to quit. The results in terms of wins and losses justified those means, but there was a lot of off field collateral damage happening and before anyone really knew it, he was off to Utah.

As much as these dudes job hop for the money, they also have to get out before what they sweep under the rug and shove behind the curtain ends up getting too big to hide anymore.

 

[IrishLion]

I think we give unnoticed coaches too much credit. There are a ton of win at all costs, dirtball coaches, but 98% don't win enough to get focused on.

Again, I have nothing to say about Urban's character. He's one of the best CFB coaches of all time and through episode 1, it's an awesome football documentary. I'm not watching to judge his passage to heaven.

I just said he's one of the best and SEC football is special and we should enjoy it while it is what it is.

On to episode 2 😎

I'm not judging his passage to Heaven, either. I'm judging his supervision of young men, which is at *least* 50% of the job (maybe more, if you're actually a decent human).

He's undoubtedly one of the best coaches to ever do it at the college level. He's also terrible at half of his job... it's just the half that screws kids over after the cameras are off and while everyone is distracted by the shiny trophies.

Some people are willing to look past that (the way they'd look past hypothetical extra-marital affairs because they idolize a certain coach, for example). And that's fine!

I'd love a natty... but not at the cost of hiring a dude like Urban, on-field greatness be damned.

 

[Rambler09]

People getting personal up in here.

 

[ACamp1900]

People getting personal up in here.

Yeah,… no need to get personal.


So Rack Em’s mom is rolled into a bar,….

 

[IRISHDODGER]

What do you disagree with? Or don't you have anything to actually say?

The SEC is incredible and rather than take shots at it that will never land, people should appreciate it while it lasts. Who knows the future of CFB.

What is incredible about Auburn, Vandy, Arkansas, Miss st, Ole Miss, Tenn, Florida, Kentucky, Missouri, TAMU & USCe? None of those would be favorites to win the B1G, ACC B12 or PAC12. Nobody coat tails like an average SEC team.

 

[Giddyup]

 

[Irish#1]

I think we give unnoticed coaches too much credit. There are a ton of win at all costs, dirtball coaches, but 98% don't win enough to get focused on.

Again, I have nothing to say about Urban's character. He's one of the best CFB coaches of all time and through episode 1, it's an awesome football documentary. I'm not watching to judge his passage to heaven.

I just said he's one of the best and SEC football is special and we should enjoy it while it is what it is.

On to episode 2 😎

Is that you Dan Dakich?

It was watchable, but not awesome. I give it 3 out of 5 stars.

 

[stlnd01]

What is incredible about Auburn, Vandy, Arkansas, Miss st, Ole Miss, Tenn, Florida, Kentucky, Missouri, TAMU & USCe? None of those would be favorites to win the B1G, ACC B12 or PAC12. Nobody coat tails like an average SEC team.

And yet most of those programs are dirty as hell and look the other way on all manner of bad shit by boosters and coaches alike, since they have to keep up with Bama/Georgia/LSU and so they tell themselves "it just means more." I love college football too but I'd rather do it our way.

As for Urban Meyer, I haven't seen the documentary. I just recall what a friend of mine who worked at The Observer and interviewed him way back when he worked for Davie came away with: "Brilliant at football. Total dickbag."

 

[IrishLax]

Swamp Kinds is a joke. They literally glossed over 95%+ of the dysfunction that team had and what made them both unique + a flash in the pan.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

We're really talking about Alabama, Meyer's Florida and now UGA when we talk about any supposed SEC stranglehold. When you break down the collective bowl record of the SEC it's nothing tremendously spectacular, certainly not dominant.

Northwestern has beaten Mississippi State, Kentucky and Auburn in bowl games in the last ten years. That's not dominant. It's random like so much else in life. Dominant means those three schools or any others in the SEC show up and beat Northwestern whatever the bowl, whatever the year.

LSU won three titles over a 15 year period with three different coaches, and one of those teams was a Les Miles two loss team in the BCS era that lost to unranked Arkansas in OT at Tiger Stadium. I don't know that I'd include them With the other three teams.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I believe Marty Biagi was the ST coach at N. Texas State when they upset Arkansas in Fayetteville. He pulled off a phenomenal ST play to ice the win.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I believe Marty Biagi was the ST coach at N. Texas State when they upset Arkansas in Fayetteville. He pulled off a phenomenal ST play to ice the win.

Even better example. This was a 44-17 blowout in 2018. That's not collective dominance by a conference. North Texas rolling Arkansas is just flat out embarrassing.

Again, we're talking about Bama, 2006-09 Florida and present day UGA. The rest are riding coattails big time.

 

[Irishdrunk]

1. The SEC is the preeminent conference in CFB in the best areas of recruiting. ND would be smart to join the SEC.
2. Urban Meyer is a great HC and one of the best recruiting HC of all time. His OSU stint was rougher.
3. I didn't expect the Netflix to be a fucking expose. Its akin to 30 for 30. Most successful programs and HCs have some issues. Heck even Coach McCartney wasn't a saint LOL

Meyer is a winner. I hope he coaches again. Wish ND hired him as a way to rehabilitate him.

 

[KPENN]

1. The SEC is the preeminent conference in CFB in the best areas of recruiting. ND would be smart to join the SEC.
2. Urban Meyer is a great HC and one of the best recruiting HC of all time. His OSU stint was rougher.
3. I didn't expect the Netflix to be a fucking expose. Its akin to 30 for 30. Most successful programs and HCs have some issues. Heck even Coach McCartney wasn't a saint LOL

Meyer is a winner. I hope he coaches again. Wish ND hired him as a way to rehabilitate him.

Hired him when? In 2021? He was still failing with the Jags at that time. I can’t tell if you’re just trying to get a rise out of people or are serious.

 

[INLaw]

1. The SEC is the preeminent conference in CFB in the best areas of recruiting. ND would be smart to join the SEC.
2. Urban Meyer is a great HC and one of the best recruiting HC of all time. His OSU stint was rougher.
3. I didn't expect the Netflix to be a fucking expose. Its akin to 30 for 30. Most successful programs and HCs have some issues. Heck even Coach McCartney wasn't a saint LOL

Meyer is a winner. I hope he coaches again. Wish ND hired him as a way to rehabilitate him.

Trying to go from verified blue check slap dick to one who suffers from having been slapped in the dick. Unless he likes that kind of thing

 

[Irishdrunk]

Hired him when? In 2021? He was still failing with the Jags at that time. I can’t tell if you’re just trying to get a rise out of people or are serious.

No KPENN - he has a track record of winning. He and Saban are the only HCs that have won titles at more than one program.

He is only 59 years old. He will coach again. He deserves a second chance - its the Catholic way....

 

[choo choo]

I agree with a lot said here today. However, in the end, fuck him. He had his chance. 😊

 

[KPENN]

No KPENN - he has a track record of winning. He and Saban are the only HCs that have won titles at more than one program.

He is only 59 years old. He will coach again. He deserves a second chance - its the Catholic way....

When did you want them to hire him? Way to side step that.

He’s past his second chance now. He hasn’t changed and won’t change, there is no “rehabilitating” him. No fucking thank you. I’ll take Marcus “nice guy” Freeman over him.

 

[Giddyup]

Urban Meyer hire instead of Weis would have rocketed the program.

 

[ulukinatme]

Urban Meyer hire instead of Weis would have rocketed the program.

Doubtful. Maybe we actually play defense, but Urban would have been under the same restrictions Weis was as far as athletes and such. He's not getting Aaron Hernandez to South Bend, and probably a lot of other athletes. I think he could have been very successful, but it would have been hard to generate more offense than Weis did. I'd actually expect we score a little less, but play better defense.

 

[Irish#1]

No KPENN - he has a track record of winning. He and Saban are the only HCs that have won titles at more than one program.

He is only 59 years old. He will coach again. He deserves a second chance - its the Catholic way....

He had his second chance at OSU. I’m okay with a lot of stuff coaches do, but If you’re okay with his cheating on his wife, BS and lies, what’s that say about you?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

1. The SEC is the preeminent conference in CFB in the best areas of recruiting. ND would be smart to join the SEC.
2. Urban Meyer is a great HC and one of the best recruiting HC of all time. His OSU stint was rougher.
3. I didn't expect the Netflix to be a fucking expose. Its akin to 30 for 30. Most successful programs and HCs have some issues. Heck even Coach McCartney wasn't a saint LOL

Meyer is a winner. I hope he coaches again. Wish ND hired him as a way to rehabilitate him.

That’s an oxymoron if I ever saw one. Great choice of words.

 

[Bluto]

Uh, yeah. He is.

He fostered a culture worse (on record!) than any other since the late 80's Miami teams (and that's just speculation on Miami, because I haven't read articles/figures about their arrest rate lol). A culture so bad that it enabled several of his "super stars" to get into truly heavy, horrible shit. You can't blame Urban for all of that, obviously, but he certainly didn't detract from it, or take ownership of his players in an off-field sense (except for Tebow, duh).

I know Nick Saban is a win-at-all-costs guy too... but he hasn't left the same type of trail of pain and suffering in his wake that Urban did, for example (except for that dude at Miami that had the medical emergency, and Saban just stepped over him to keep walking). In terms of his current stint, it appears Bama generally creates a pretty good culture of former players coming back around, whatever your beliefs about the football-factory experience.

Plus, Urban let his on-field passion bleed into his spectacularly-failed NFL stint, concluding with photos of his fingers in some girls ass at a bar in Ohio the day after a loss, when he should have been in the office figuring his shit out, and while his wife was at home babysitting his grandkids.

Yeah, he's worse.

The Miami teams under Johnson and Erickson actually had pretty respectable graduation rates and I don’t recall anything close to the all out criminality that would compare to those Florida teams under Meyer.

 

[irishnd31]

We're really talking about Alabama, Meyer's Florida and now UGA when we talk about any supposed SEC stranglehold. When you break down the collective bowl record of the SEC it's nothing tremendously spectacular, certainly not dominant.

Northwestern has beaten Mississippi State, Kentucky and Auburn in bowl games in the last ten years. That's not dominant. It's random like so much else in life. Dominant means those three schools or any others in the SEC show up and beat Northwestern whatever the bowl, whatever the year.

LSU won three titles over a 15 year period with three different coaches, and one of those teams was a Les Miles two loss team in the BCS era that lost to unranked Arkansas in OT at Tiger Stadium. I don't know that I'd include them With the other three teams.

That was too much to read but I’ll rep just b cause you’re my boy. Rum has set in bro

 

[Bluto]

Swamp Kinds is a joke. They literally glossed over 95%+ of the dysfunction that team had and what made them both unique + a flash in the pan.

That’s too bad. Sports “journalism” in its present form is a cesspool, so while this is disappointing to hear it’s not surprising.

 

[irishandy]

Meyer would've never lasted at ND, it would've come down to changing himself for the better to accept losing & with what the job comes with or changing the program for the worse with the culture of the team/players.

He would be on the Mt. Rushmore of smug coaches, he would've have the chest to coach here.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Urban criticizes ND qb recruiting.

Urban Meyer criticizes Notre Dame's recruitment of elite QBs - Saturday Road

Urban Meyer was amazed at how Notre Dame had to find Sam Hartman.

saturdayroad.com

 

[rtrn2glory]

Overall thought the documentary sucked.

Urban can choke on a dick for all I care