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And running back.
This post reminded me of the Power House back field! So i had to watch some old games on youtube today at work. God what I would do for Kelly to run the power house backfield!

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Well look at it this way for a minute...Navy gives ZERO benefit to play on the national SOS scene but is considered a negative by most people. We get nothing but jokes by the national media for playing them. We get nothing but injuries playing them. And, lately we arent exactly demolishing them when we do play. I promise you OSU wont schedule them again after their last game together. Way too much to lose and NOTHING to gain. Do you think for a moment that anyone not ND or Navy sits there and appreciates ND giving them charity every year as payback for what happened in WW2? I have a very good friend that went to the Naval academy and even the Navy guys dont like ND. I mean, really, really aggressive to win at all costs vs ND. So if you are telling me that all the negatives do not outweigh the ONE positive for playing then Im gonna guess you get taken to the cleaners a lot by salesmen.

Welcome to 2015. Tradition and honor on the large scale in America is for the most part, dead if you havent figured that out lately. You either win big, which all the ND fan base demands, or you have the honor, academics and unyielding requirements. You can have it one way or the other but not both.


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This post reminded me of the Power House back field! So i had to watch some old games on youtube today at work. God what I would do for Kelly to run the power house backfield!

Luatua-Prosise-Jaylon Smith

LOL...he was a state champion running back in HS.
 

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I know it's not the point you're making, but the cut block argument is crap, too. WE cut block. Alabama cut blocks. Oregon cut blocks. It's not some super rare tactic only employed by the service academies.

Except they consistently cut defenders that are already engaged with another blocker. It's not legal and it's not a crap argument when it injures players year after year.

This doesn't mean we should drop Navy. Just pointing out that their cut blocking is bullshit.
 

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Except they consistently cut defenders that are already engaged with another blocker. It's not legal and it's not a crap argument when it injures players year after year.

This doesn't mean we should drop Navy. Just pointing out that their cut blocking is bullshit.

Does GT cut in the same manner? Not sure if it has something to do with the option or Navy just being so small on the OL?
 

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Except they consistently cut defenders that are already engaged with another blocker. It's not legal and it's not a crap argument when it injures players year after year.

This doesn't mean we should drop Navy. Just pointing out that their cut blocking is bullshit.
That's not cut blocking, that's chop blocking, and it's illegal. I've not seen an inordinate amount from Navy but I'm willing to be proven wrong. Still won't change my opinion about whether we should play them though.
 

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You bet they do. It essentially the exact same Flexbone Triple Option as Navy but GT may cut even more with their WRs and RBs. GT is more successful mainly due to the fact Paul Johnson is the oracle of the triple option and may be the best coach in the nation at making adjustments. Obviously, GT's players are bigger/faster/stronger as well.
 

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I'd be thrilled if we dropped Navy from the schedule. I'm sick of seeing our guys drop like flies every time we play them.

As for the game, I think GT wins easily. I don't see us slowing them down and I don't see us moving the ball particularly well either. They're going to load up the box and make Kizer beat them with his arm. I don't think he's up to it yet. Would have been nice to see him get a full game under his belt against a patsy like UMASS first, but oh well.
 

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I think Joe Schmidt should be left on the bench this week. He simply does not have the speed to get to the edge which is a necessity when defending the tripe option. Furthermore, this year's Joe is performing no where near as well as last years.
 

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I'm surprised there is not more of a push to start Martini over Onwualu in this game.

Conventional wisdom says you start the more athletic former-Safety over the bulky run-stuffer against an option attack. That said, Martini got his first start ever against Navy last year, and he was one of the few bright spots on our defense that night. I still expect the staff to go with Onwualu, unless Martini has looked much stronger in practice this week.

I think Joe Schmidt should be left on the bench this week. He simply does not have the speed to get to the edge which is a necessity when defending the tripe option. Furthermore, this year's Joe is performing no where near as well as last years.

Joe looked great against Texas. He registered 6 tackles (behind only Jaylon at 7), 3 of which were solo, and 0.5 a TFL. Yes, he had a bad game against UVA, but so did a lot of other guys. I'm not confident anyone else can orchestrate our front-7 nearly as well as he can, so I expect Schmidt to start and play well.
 
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Anyone think we might 6-2 this bitch with Onwualu/Martini on the ends and Jaylon/Schmidt at ILB? Single high safety + corners on an island...
 

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Anyone think we might 6-2 this bitch with Onwualu/Martini on the ends and Jaylon/Schmidt at ILB? Single high safety + corners on an island...

Yes. I want 4 LBs and 4 D-lineman out there.

Heck I would even go for a 5-3. Sign me up for 8 in the box. If KVR and Luke can't cover their WRs with Redfield as deep help we are in trouble this year.
 
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I'd personally like to see as the base d:

Trumbetti. Day. Rochelle. Okwara

Smith Morgan Schmidt Onwualu/Shumate

Luke Russell

Refideld
 

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By the way, great picture Whiskeyjack. I agree with you that Joe is the best at orchestrating the front 7 but I think/would hope that this defense has a near complete understanding of the playbook now unlike last season. With that assumption, the drop off with Joe out in regards of reads and getting everyone in position wouldn't be as severe as people think. The triple option, while difficult to defend, doesn't require much more than a vanilla defense with players strictly following their assigned roles. Nyles Morgan could easily be prepared to run the defense and provide a lot more speed to the edge. I think that speed to the edge could be the deciding factor in the game with a player like Justin Thomas (apparently he has ran the 40 in the 4.2 range....).
 

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I'd personally like to see as the base d:

Trumbetti. Day. Rochelle. Okwara

Smith Morgan Schmidt Onwualu/Shumate

Luke Russell

Refideld


I wouldn't mind going big upfront if Tillery and Cage are ready

Day Tillery Cage Rochell
Smith Morgan Schmidt Onwualu/Martini

Luke Russell
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I also like the idea of running a 3-5-3 so we get the best of both worlds. Also, I like having a "0" to at least try to stop them from running the FB Patrick Skov up the middle.
 

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Trumbetti Day Cage Tillery Rochell
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I also like the idea of running a 3-5-3 so we get the best of both worlds. Also, I like having a "0" to at least try to stop them from running the FB Patrick Skov up the middle.

I am not really a fan of 3 man fronts against the option. I would rather go 5-3.
 

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By the way, great picture Whiskeyjack. I agree with you that Joe is the best at orchestrating the front 7 but I think/would hope that this defense has a near complete understanding of the playbook now unlike last season.

Did our defense look like it had a complete understanding of the playbook against UVA? It's hard to tell if that performance was the result of ND looking ahead to GT, UVA saving lots of schematic surprises for us, or some combination of the two. But we have no reason to be confident that Nyles can fill Joe's shoes as far as leadership and intangibles go.

With that assumption, the drop off with Joe out in regards of reads and getting everyone in position wouldn't be as severe as people think.

How does that square with the 2nd half of the 2014 season? After Joe went down against Navy, our defense collapsed. Despite his superior athleticism, the drop off between Nyles and Joe was tremendous last year.

The triple option, while difficult to defend, doesn't require much more than a vanilla defense with players strictly following their assigned roles.

We've only beaten Navy comfortably a couple times over the last decade. Again, how much of that is ND looking ahead/ Navy saving wrinkles/ Navy getting up for their biggest game? I don't know. But if all we had to do to stop the triple option was play assignment-correct football from our base defense, we would have watched the Irish cruise a lot more frequently than has happened.

Nyles Morgan could easily be prepared to run the defense and provide a lot more speed to the edge.

He clearly wasn't prepared last year. How much could have changed in the last ~9 months?

I think that speed to the edge could be the deciding factor in the game with a player like Justin Thomas (apparently he has ran the 40 in the 4.2 range....).

He's rumored to run in the low 4.3s, but we'll see how accurate that is if he gets a combine invite. Regardless, he won't have an easy time getting away from Jaylon.
 

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I'd personally like to see as the base d:

Trumbetti. Day. Rochelle. Okwara

Smith Morgan Schmidt Onwualu/Shumate

Luke Russell

Refideld

I have never heard a single good report about Refideld. I wouldn't trust him back there by himself.
 

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Did our defense look like it had a complete understanding of the playbook against UVA? It's hard to tell if that performance was the result of ND looking ahead to GT, UVA saving lots of schematic surprises for us, or some combination of the two. But we have no reason to be confident that Nyles can fill Joe's shoes as far as leadership and intangibles go.



How does that square with the 2nd half of the 2014 season? After Joe went down against Navy, our defense collapsed. Despite his superior athleticism, the drop off between Nyles and Joe was tremendous last year.



We've only beaten Navy comfortably a couple times over the last decade. Again, how much of that is ND looking ahead/ Navy saving wrinkles/ Navy getting up for their biggest game? I don't know. But if all we had to do to stop the triple option was play assignment-correct football from our base defense, we would have watched the Irish cruise a lot more frequently than has happened.



He clearly wasn't prepared last year. How much could have changed in the last ~9 months?



He's rumored to run in the low 4.3s, but we'll see how accurate that is if he gets a combine invite. Regardless, he won't have an easy time getting away from Jaylon.

That is why we should go 4-4 with both Schmidt and Morgan in the middle. Best of both worlds.
 

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Conventional wisdom says you start the more athletic former-Safety over the bulky run-stuffer against an option attack. That said, Martini got his first start ever against Navy last year, and he was one of the few bright spots on our defense that night. I still expect the staff to go with Onwualu, unless Martini has looked much stronger in practice this week.



Joe looked great against Texas. He registered 6 tackles (behind only Jaylon at 7), 3 of which were solo, and 0.5 a TFL. Yes, he had a bad game against UVA, but so did a lot of other guys. I'm not confident anyone else can orchestrate our front-7 nearly as well as he can, so I expect Schmidt to start and play well.

I have to disagree here. I'd say solid or average. Our DL dominated Texas's OL which made flowing to the ball easy for the LB's. Also, Schmidt is in the middle of the D, he's going to have a fair number of opportunities and tackles. When he was in 1 on 1 scenarios he's didn't do a very good job, if he does better there then maybe I'd say great. In fact, he got easily cut blocked on a few occasions. One of the reasons I'd said previously I was worried about this matchup for him.
 

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All this defensive talk has nothing to do with me brining back the power house backfield. Jeez thanks for getting off topic guys.


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