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tko said:
As much as I don't care for Brian Kelly, I cannot fathom being a head coach and having so much QB bad luck year in and year out.
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You dont have this, if you dont have designed qb runs. He knew his depth was limited at qb. Why risk it? You already lost your starting rb game one. Why put your most important player in harms way on purpose. Sure a qb who can run when theres nothing is nice. But to run him on purpose is dumb in my opinion.
 
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Luckylucci said:
Kizer is is some respects irrelevant here. The defense doesn't look good, Zaire didn't while he was in there, and outside of Prosise our best skill player is clearly held back by catching a ball away from his body. Some have brought it up before but everybody always discounts it, it's a real fault. It might not stop him from looking good but it defeinitely stops us from consistently moving the ball.
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I agree with most of this.

However, I also think our secondary had a remarkably bad day across the board.
 
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irisheyes said:
You dont have this, if you dont have designed qb runs. He knew his depth was limited at qb. Why risk it? You already lost your starting rb game one. Why put your most important player in harms way on purpose. Sure a qb who can run when theres nothing is nice. But to run him on purpose is dumb in my opinion.
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We do need to run him. In order to win football games.

Why risk it? It's to win the damn football game.

You act like it's super common for someone to break their ankle.
 
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BeauBenken said:
We do need to run him. In order to win football games.
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No we don't. For 100 years teams used a lead blocker to even out the numbers in the running game. This fool spread is the only reason quarterbacks need to run. Line up with one of your tight ends in the backfield and run behind that big line all game long.
 
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Sometimes after a big win there is a let down.Today was a let down game that almost sank our post season hopes.
 
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bkess8 said:
What upsets me is that he never really has a plan b ready.
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This is where I'm at. Part of the "bad luck" is on BK. We never have any depth or plan "B" at QB. We're always one QB injury away from disaster it seems. In any other "big time" college football program Tommy Rees would have been the 5th option. Here he was the back up/starter his entire career. It is not by accident that an Urban Meyer led OSU team seems overloaded with QB talent. There seems to be some legit talent development going on there. I feel like I can never look at our QBs and say "yeah, they've gotten way better from last year."

This problem isn't limited to QB by the way, it is an epidemic at this program. There is no way a secondary, with all of those recruiting *'s playing should be getting torched by some 3rd tier scrub like Johns on the reg. We just don't seem to develop 4 and 5 * talent into their full potential.
 
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wizards8507 said:
No we don't. For 100 years teams used a lead blocker to even out the numbers in the running game. This fool spread is the only reason quarterbacks need to run. Line up with one of your tight ends in the backfield and run behind that big line all game long.
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Two questions:

Do you know/see the advantage to having designed quarterback runs?

Do you honestly think this team has a shot of making the championship with Malik never running the ball?
 
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wizards8507 said:
No we don't. For 100 years teams used a lead blocker to even out the numbers in the running game. This fool spread is the only reason quarterbacks need to run. Line up with one of your tight ends in the backfield and run behind that big line all game long.
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Malik is out and Kizer is in.Kizer is not a running threat that Malik was.The O line better get better fast.
 
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BeauBenken said:
Two questions:

Do you know/see the advantage to having designed quarterback runs?

Do you honestly think this team has a shot of making the championship with Malik never running the ball?
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1. Yes, I know the schematic advantage. When you have to account for the quarterback, it takes one defender out of the play for the running back. Know what else takes one defender out of the play? A fullback blocking his ass five yards down field. We're very good at recruiting tight-end-type guys, i.e. fullback-type guys.

2. It's a situational thing. I'm fine with zone read on first and ten. I'm not okay with it on third and two. It takes too long to develop. Higher reward, but higher risk. We have the offensive line and "big skill" talent to line up and say "we're running B-gap left, so fuck you."
 
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wizards8507 said:
1. Yes, I know the schematic advantage. When you have to account for the quarterback, it takes one defender out of the play for the running back. Know what else takes one defender out of the play? A fullback blocking his ass five yards down field. We're very good at recruiting tight-end-type guys, i.e. fullback-type guys.

2. It's a situational thing. I'm fine with zone read on first and ten. I'm not okay with it on third and two. It takes too long to develop. Higher reward, but higher risk. We have the offensive line and "big skill" talent to line up and say "we're running B-gap left, so fuck you."
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Did anyone else feel like Severin accounted for way too many of their receiving yards? They guys seemed to always be in position for a catch, although a lot of the catches were shorter 10 yard routes underneath the coverage. He came up with over half their yards and was Jones' favorite target by a large margin, I don't know what we were doing with him defensively. I'm not sure why we didn't do a better job covering him.
 
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Did anyone else feel like Severin accounted for way too many of their receiving yards? They guys seemed to always be in position for a catch, although a lot of the catches were shorter 10 yard routes underneath the coverage. Despite that fact he came up with over half their yards and was Jones' favorite target by a large margin, we did a crappy job trying to shut him down. I'm not sure why we didn't do a better job covering him.
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He seemed to always be the WR who wasn't covered, yet should've been the WR who was always covered.
 
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Late to the party because I had to tape most of the game but this defense has way too much individual talent to be playing this way. They are going to have to carry the team the rest of the year.
 
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Irish Insanity said:
He seemed to always be the WR who wasn't covered, yet should've been the WR who was always covered.
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Even in the first half I was thinking "Wow, this Severin guy is picking up a lot of receptions, we should put Russell on him or something in the 2nd half." Instead it seemed like Butler was tasked with covering him quite a bit. Doesn't make sense to me, aside from the big catch from their TE on the last drive, and one big catch from Johnson on that trick play, it was ALL Severin, ALL game. The rest of the receptions by Virginia receivers never really went anywhere, all short gains.
 
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Meh, I'm not too hard on the D. Sure they got gashed a little bit, but I think most of it was on the Virginia play calling (kept us off balance), and the mental drain of the O not moving the ball, and being away with the home team having momentum.

And kelly needs to go under center in short yardage situations.
 
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wizards8507 said:
1. Yes, I know the schematic advantage. When you have to account for the quarterback, it takes one defender out of the play for the running back. Know what else takes one defender out of the play? A fullback blocking his ass five yards down field. We're very good at recruiting tight-end-type guys, i.e. fullback-type guys.

2. It's a situational thing. I'm fine with zone read on first and ten. I'm not okay with it on third and two. It takes too long to develop. Higher reward, but higher risk. We have the offensive line and "big skill" talent to line up and say "we're running B-gap left, so fuck you."
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Running with the QB is more than just read and option plays. You can add another lead blocker (it's like having 2 fullbacks!) to the play. Simple math: 10 guys blocking and 1 running > 9 guys blocking, 1 running, and 1 not doing anything but handing the ball off.

As well, "running B-gap left, so f*** you" worked PITIFULLY this entire Virginia game.
 
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BeauBenken said:
Running with the QB is more than just read and option plays. You can add another lead blocker (it's like having 2 fullbacks!) to the play. Simple math: 10 guys blocking and 1 running > 9 guys blocking, 1 running, and 1 not doing anything but handing the ball off.

As well, "running B-gap left, so f*** you" worked PITIFULLY this entire Virginia game.
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I know you CAN, but we don't.

You don't need to do the math on all 11 guys because the backside OLB, both corners, and the safety are out of the play anyways (specifically talking 3rd and 2). Our formations are two extreme. It's either three wide shotgun or zero wide with all four tight ends in at once. The first leaves us with too few blockers while the second lets the defense load up without needing to honor the pass. The standard I formation is the best of both worlds.
 
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