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Well I got that wrong. Haha. Anyhoo you are still paying to play a HS team.
SEC Scheduling
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Stewart Mandel dropping nukes on the SEC.
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Column: The SEC has gone from seven-year king of the BCS to reigning kings of playoff excuses. The SEC has now become a league of ridiculous excuses | FOX Sports
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Column: The SEC has gone from seven-year king of the BCS to reigning kings of playoff excuses. The SEC has now become a league of ridiculous excuses | FOX Sports
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Saban and Bama backed out of their yearly game with UGA for like half a decade, they were pussies...
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Didn't we back out of our yearly games with Michigan? One of our toughest opponents.
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
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I loved this article... Also realized how much I hate the SEC.. Reading that article it just summed up everything I can't stand about them
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Sure, but they've been replaced with Texas, Georgia, and Ohio State (so far), opponents that might represent even MORE of a challenge.
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$800 a ticket?!?!?... Don't think people saying $500 for a pair is going to get the job done for some of you
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He was a guest on CBS Sports Radio Tuesday night, putting holes in the SEC myth and how all the coaches are now crying. He mentioned Mizzou's coach should quit harping on ND playing Navy, since IU beat Mizzoui, but lost to Navy.
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All good points
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1.) We've never had a yearly game with UGA. Before the SEC split into divisions, UGA vs Bama was never a big rivalry and thus we only played occasionally. Once the SEC went to two divisions in the early 90's, each team has had a permanent traditional rival from the other division (ours is UT and UGA's is Auburn) that you play each year, while you play all the other cross-divisional teams on a rotating basis.
2.) The SEC front office, not the schools, schedules which teams from the other division you'll play each year and those schedules are made out years in advance. When Mizzou and TAMU were added to the SEC, the schedule got trashed and had to be redone. Bama & UGA had been scheduled to play their next 2-game series a bit sooner (the last was 07 & 08), but it got pushed back to '15 & '16 when the cross-divisional schedule had to be redone after the admission of Mizzou & TAMU.
In other words, there was never a yearly game between the two schools, neither school has a say-so in when the league schedules them to play, and no school can back out of a league-scheduled game against another SEC team.
I know some of you guys hate the SEC and that's fine, but you let it cause you to just make stuff up, spew out ridiculously false "facts" to support your narrative, and interpret or spin every imaginable point in the most negative possible way. It's the same stuff you absolutely HATE (and rightfully so) when others do it to ND, but you seem oblivious to the fact that you do the same to Bama and the SEC. There are plenty of faults with CFB, the SEC, Bama and even ND that are legitimate and factual without a need to spin, distort, twist, and just make stuff up.
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Seriously ACamp, that's your reply when busted for being ridiculously inaccurate? How old are you? That might fly if you were a half-witted 20-year-old living in your mom's basement ranting in the comments section of an ESPN article, but not here. This is supposed to be reasonably intelligent people having reasonably intelligent discussions. The need to troll anyone is a sign of insecurity and an inability to discuss subjects intelligently. The need to claim you were just trolling when busted for not knowing what you're talking about isn't much better.
By all means, hate who you will or feel free to believe anything you like. The SEC/Bama hatred doesn't bother me. I find it rather amusing most of the time. I'm just amazed at how a handful of people who proclaim to be so brilliant and superior and intellectually honest can have such a meltdown over every inaccurate thing said about their own program yet gleefully make up some of the most ridiculously and blatantly false stuff about another.
By all means, hate who you will or feel free to believe anything you like. The SEC/Bama hatred doesn't bother me. I find it rather amusing most of the time. I'm just amazed at how a handful of people who proclaim to be so brilliant and superior and intellectually honest can have such a meltdown over every inaccurate thing said about their own program yet gleefully make up some of the most ridiculously and blatantly false stuff about another.
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I'm not sure how else to respond, the fact that you apparently took that comment as even half serious, and then felt it required some long winded response makes me worry about you... it wasn't even meant to be a troll job really, just a silly comment in light of all the SEC/ESPN/ND stuff going back and forth lately... but it sure worked as a troll job on you apparently...
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Given some of the wildly ridiculous comments I've seen here from time to time, it's hard to tell what's serious and what isn't. Italics might have served better in this case.
I'm also not my usual self lately and am probably much too prone to take things the wrong way and lash out. Major issues at home and too much stress coupled with a severe lack of sleep will do that. Cut me some slack when you can and understand that I'm dealing with some stuff these days.
ACamp1900
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This a valid point, I am aware of the use of italics and have become lazy, as well as I have an awareness that the board, most of it, not all obviously as this has shown, knows pretty clearly when I'm being my usual goof ball self and when I'm actually being serious. Rule of thumb, if it's less than a paragraph and seems outrageous, it's not serious.
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I like to think of this as IE's fall camp. Really loosen up the football debate muscles. Stay on our toes to combat the SEC propaganda that will ensue when Arkansas starts 4-0 and makes the top 5 for being in the SEC despite having beat no one yet. And our resident Bama fans need to loosen up for when Bama blows a game behind Kiffin's playcalling like against Ohio State. Seriously, hand the ball to Henry the whole second half and you win by two scores.
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Keep your head up man.. Stress can bring the worst out of a person. All things good or bad come to an end. Stay positive and enjoy an exciting Irish season to come
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Hope the home situation improves and everything ends up positive.
Play the SEC Commissioner
Play the SEC Commissioner
Some interesting discussions of late. IMO, the conversations degenerate when it becomes a team-on-team discussion. I'd like to throw out a more general pathway and address the subject of the topic - SEC Scheduling.
You have become the SEC Commissioner and have the power to change anything you wish with SEC (regular season, of course) schedules. What say you?
Nine game conference schedule? More Power 5 opponents? Home and home vs away? Getting bowl berths (11 contracted) vs getting a CFB playoff team? Historical, regional non-P5 teams that may be in-state, i.e. Sunbelt? Extending recruiting territories? Neutral site games? Keeping FCS games?
Remember you are the Commish. You have the SEC's best interests at heart - first and foremost.
If you have a favorite team (or second or local favorite), after you have made your all-powerful decisions, feel free to give examples on how your schedule would work out under your new rules.
Here's a site that lists all SEC games in 2014 and the results (including bowl games, though). I may toss in some facts down the road.
Have fun.
Play the SEC Commissioner
Some interesting discussions of late. IMO, the conversations degenerate when it becomes a team-on-team discussion. I'd like to throw out a more general pathway and address the subject of the topic - SEC Scheduling.
You have become the SEC Commissioner and have the power to change anything you wish with SEC (regular season, of course) schedules. What say you?
Nine game conference schedule? More Power 5 opponents? Home and home vs away? Getting bowl berths (11 contracted) vs getting a CFB playoff team? Historical, regional non-P5 teams that may be in-state, i.e. Sunbelt? Extending recruiting territories? Neutral site games? Keeping FCS games?
Remember you are the Commish. You have the SEC's best interests at heart - first and foremost.
If you have a favorite team (or second or local favorite), after you have made your all-powerful decisions, feel free to give examples on how your schedule would work out under your new rules.
Here's a site that lists all SEC games in 2014 and the results (including bowl games, though). I may toss in some facts down the road.
Have fun.
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Play the SEC Commissioner
Play the SEC Commissioner
Some interesting discussions of late. IMO, the conversations degenerate when it becomes a team-on-team discussion. I'd like to throw out a more general pathway and address the subject of the topic - SEC Scheduling.
You have become the SEC Commissioner and have the power to change anything you wish with SEC (regular season, of course) schedules. What say you?
Remember you are the Commish. You have the SEC's best interests at heart - first and foremost.
If you have a favorite team (or second or local favorite), after you have made your all-powerful decisions, feel free to give examples on how your schedule would work out under your new rules.
Here's a site that lists all SEC games in 2014 and the results (including bowl games, though). I may toss in some facts down the road.
Have fun.
Play the SEC Commissioner
Some interesting discussions of late. IMO, the conversations degenerate when it becomes a team-on-team discussion. I'd like to throw out a more general pathway and address the subject of the topic - SEC Scheduling.
You have become the SEC Commissioner and have the power to change anything you wish with SEC (regular season, of course) schedules. What say you?
- Nine game conference schedule?
- Increasing Power 5 opponents?
- Home and home vs away?
- Bowl berths contracted (11) vs increasing chances for Playoff berth?
- Regional non-P5 opponents, i.e. Sunbelt?
- Extending recruitng territories?
- Neutral site games?
- FCS games?
Remember you are the Commish. You have the SEC's best interests at heart - first and foremost.
If you have a favorite team (or second or local favorite), after you have made your all-powerful decisions, feel free to give examples on how your schedule would work out under your new rules.
Here's a site that lists all SEC games in 2014 and the results (including bowl games, though). I may toss in some facts down the road.
Have fun.
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1. I'd go to a 9-game conference schedule so that you'd face each of the teams from the other division more often.
2. Mandate at least 1 P5 game each season.
3. I wouldn't do away with neutral site games, but would encourage home & home series against other P5 teams. I liked the home & home series we've had over the years with ND, USC, Nebraska, OU, PSU, etc.
4. I don't think increased bowl contracts hurt getting an SEC team in the playoff. If you're one of the top 4 teams, you'll get in.
5. I'd rather see P5 home & home than regional games against non-P5's. Home & home against P5 teams from across the country help increase national exposure and help with recruiting, plus the fans love them.
6. Not sure much can be done to expand recruiting territory much beyond where it is now.
7. I see the good & bad in FCS games. I'd make a rule that limited it to one FCS opponent per season and only that if the team was also playing a P5 opponent also. 9 Conference games and a P5 game would be tough enough to justify one glorified scrimmage.
8. I'd tie academic progress and graduation rates to conference revenue sharing. If you aren't graduating players and ensuring that they're doing legit academic work, you lose a big part of your share of the conference's revenue.
9. I'd tighten up drug testing and suspensions for failing them. No more letting kids play who can't keep clean. If you want to do drugs, then fine. You just won't do it and be a part of this conference. No more multiple failed drug tests that result in no real consequences for the players or the programs.
2. Mandate at least 1 P5 game each season.
3. I wouldn't do away with neutral site games, but would encourage home & home series against other P5 teams. I liked the home & home series we've had over the years with ND, USC, Nebraska, OU, PSU, etc.
4. I don't think increased bowl contracts hurt getting an SEC team in the playoff. If you're one of the top 4 teams, you'll get in.
5. I'd rather see P5 home & home than regional games against non-P5's. Home & home against P5 teams from across the country help increase national exposure and help with recruiting, plus the fans love them.
6. Not sure much can be done to expand recruiting territory much beyond where it is now.
7. I see the good & bad in FCS games. I'd make a rule that limited it to one FCS opponent per season and only that if the team was also playing a P5 opponent also. 9 Conference games and a P5 game would be tough enough to justify one glorified scrimmage.
8. I'd tie academic progress and graduation rates to conference revenue sharing. If you aren't graduating players and ensuring that they're doing legit academic work, you lose a big part of your share of the conference's revenue.
9. I'd tighten up drug testing and suspensions for failing them. No more letting kids play who can't keep clean. If you want to do drugs, then fine. You just won't do it and be a part of this conference. No more multiple failed drug tests that result in no real consequences for the players or the programs.
B2b5,
Want the job? IMO, every one of your rules - except #8 - would be excellent. As for #8, as commissioner, I would have to consider that all my teams contribute as opponents for each other, as historical rivals (except A&M and Missouri) and have different talent and academic pools that they recruit from, e.g. South Carolina.
A nine game conference schedule would mean alternating four and five conference home games per year. You could balance that with home-and-homes with P5 teams on a every other year contract.
Some teams have annual in-state ACC rivals. I can think of four - all East division - Florida (if they schedule FSU or Miami), South Carolina (Clemson), Georgia (Ga Tech), and Kentucky (Louisville recently). All are in the SEC East. Others?
BTW, I would love to see A&M play Texas regularly and even Missouri and Kansas.
Adding a FCS team would give you six home games. Do you want a 7-5 home-away scheduling model?
Finally, without a FCS game, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas and Florida would have all finished with five wins and would not have been bowl-eligible. (Florida did have their Idaho game hurricaned out). Increasing the conference schedule with the current SEC West dominance (11-4 last year) could increase the losses for the SEC East. It's a zero sum game, of course. (Missouri and Georgia swept their cross-division games last year. Every other East team had two SEC West losses.)
Taking away an easier non-P5 game for the extra SEC conference game, even with a FCS game, risks some of your teams missing a bowl game. Worth it?
Want the job? IMO, every one of your rules - except #8 - would be excellent. As for #8, as commissioner, I would have to consider that all my teams contribute as opponents for each other, as historical rivals (except A&M and Missouri) and have different talent and academic pools that they recruit from, e.g. South Carolina.
A nine game conference schedule would mean alternating four and five conference home games per year. You could balance that with home-and-homes with P5 teams on a every other year contract.
Some teams have annual in-state ACC rivals. I can think of four - all East division - Florida (if they schedule FSU or Miami), South Carolina (Clemson), Georgia (Ga Tech), and Kentucky (Louisville recently). All are in the SEC East. Others?
BTW, I would love to see A&M play Texas regularly and even Missouri and Kansas.
Adding a FCS team would give you six home games. Do you want a 7-5 home-away scheduling model?
Finally, without a FCS game, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas and Florida would have all finished with five wins and would not have been bowl-eligible. (Florida did have their Idaho game hurricaned out). Increasing the conference schedule with the current SEC West dominance (11-4 last year) could increase the losses for the SEC East. It's a zero sum game, of course. (Missouri and Georgia swept their cross-division games last year. Every other East team had two SEC West losses.)
Taking away an easier non-P5 game for the extra SEC conference game, even with a FCS game, risks some of your teams missing a bowl game. Worth it?
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"The majority of SEC programs are already compliant with the upcoming mandatory nonconference scheduling. Only four teams -- Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Texas A&M -- won't play a game this coming season against an opponent from one of the other power conferences."
A&M opens with Arizona State. Not a bad one.
A&M opens with Arizona State. Not a bad one.
So, I guess A&M is compliant, leaving the Mississippis and Vandy. Vandy gets a bye for me because they need it,, but are compliant in 2016 with Georgia Tech and in 2017 with Kansas State - a home-and-home. Stanford and Wake games begin in 2021 (link above).
Ole Miss gets compliant in 2016 with a neutral with FSU and Cal in 2017.
Mississippi State is compliant because BYU is now considered by the SEC as a Power 5 team for 2016&17.
Another thing to consider is that Miss St, A&M and Ole Miss have three of the easiest SEC cross-divisional schedules. Then consider Mississippi State's permanent cross-division rival is Kentucky and Ole Miss's permanent cross-division rival is Vanderbilt.
On the other side of the coin, Georgia gets Alabama and Auburn for their cross-division games.
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Power 5 teams who did not play a FCS team in 2014
Power 5 teams who did not play a FCS team in 2014
Each ACC and SEC team played a FCS game in 2014.
Here are the other Power 5 teams who did not:
Big Ten - Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn St
Big 12 - Texas, Oklahoma
Pac 12 - Arizona, UCLA, USC, Colorado
Independent - Notre Dame
ND, UCLA, and USC are the only teams who have never played a FCS opponent.
For 2015, of the above teams, Arizona and Colorado will play FCS games while the others will not have a FCS opponent.
The ACC, Big Ten and SEC have an eight game conference schedule. The Pac 12 and Big 12.
Arguably, ND has a de facto eight game conference schedule with five contracted ACC games annually and three teams - USC, Navy and Stanford - to whom they have committed for the long haul. Sure, Stanford has a lesser history, but the point is that ND has four games per season (except for this year) that provide some flexibility in scheduling.
SEC in 2015 - Auburn and Florida will not play a FCS game this year. All other SEC teams will play a FCS game.
All ACC teams will again play a FCS team.
SEC teams like Florida, Georgia, Auburn and LSU have scheduled four non-conference games in the next few years.
Power 5 teams who did not play a FCS team in 2014
Each ACC and SEC team played a FCS game in 2014.
Here are the other Power 5 teams who did not:
Big Ten - Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn St
Big 12 - Texas, Oklahoma
Pac 12 - Arizona, UCLA, USC, Colorado
Independent - Notre Dame
ND, UCLA, and USC are the only teams who have never played a FCS opponent.
For 2015, of the above teams, Arizona and Colorado will play FCS games while the others will not have a FCS opponent.
The ACC, Big Ten and SEC have an eight game conference schedule. The Pac 12 and Big 12.
Arguably, ND has a de facto eight game conference schedule with five contracted ACC games annually and three teams - USC, Navy and Stanford - to whom they have committed for the long haul. Sure, Stanford has a lesser history, but the point is that ND has four games per season (except for this year) that provide some flexibility in scheduling.
SEC in 2015 - Auburn and Florida will not play a FCS game this year. All other SEC teams will play a FCS game.
All ACC teams will again play a FCS team.
SEC teams like Florida, Georgia, Auburn and LSU have scheduled four non-conference games in the next few years.
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SEC sites' articles on FCS scheduling
SEC sites' articles on FCS scheduling
The SEC and its FCS opponents (from Saturday Down South)
Time for SEC to step up and stop scheduling FCS opponents (also from Saturday Down South)
For Clemson and South Carolina, in-state FCS foes a bargain
SEC sites' articles on FCS scheduling
The SEC and its FCS opponents (from Saturday Down South)
Time for SEC to step up and stop scheduling FCS opponents (also from Saturday Down South)
For Clemson and South Carolina, in-state FCS foes a bargain
Predicting the SEC Season
Predicting the SEC Season
RollBamaRoll is running articles on SEC teams with projections of their win totals and some scheduling comments. So far, RBR has done Ole Miss, Miss St, Georgia and Tenn.
Some general observations:
The two P5 opponents are Oklahoma (Tenn) and Georgia Tech (Georgia).
RBR makes some scheduling observations that are consistent with ours and more than a bit pointed.
Examples:
Georgia - "Sept. 26 Southern University - W - Disgraceful scheduling"
Miss St - "Strengths: Dak; weak non-conf schedule" and "Sept. 5 at Southern Miss - W - If Hughie Freeze ain't gotta play no Power 5, than neither do we!"
Ole Miss - "Strengths: Starting experience; weak schedule." and "Oct. 10 New Mexico State - W - Worst.FBS.Team.Ever." and
"Sept. 12 Fresno State - W - Did Hughie not get the memo about scheduling Power 5 teams?"
Georgia's only predicted losses are to Alabama and to Auburn.
Ole Miss's only predicted losses are to Alabama and to Auburn.
Predicting the SEC Season
RollBamaRoll is running articles on SEC teams with projections of their win totals and some scheduling comments. So far, RBR has done Ole Miss, Miss St, Georgia and Tenn.
Some general observations:
- All teams will play one FCS team
- Each of the four teams will beat all four of their non-conference opponents
- Only one of the sixteen non-conference games is an away game
- Two of the sixteen non-conference opponents are Power 5 teams
- Of all eight of the cross-division games, only one will be won by a SEC East team
The two P5 opponents are Oklahoma (Tenn) and Georgia Tech (Georgia).
RBR makes some scheduling observations that are consistent with ours and more than a bit pointed.
Examples:
Georgia - "Sept. 26 Southern University - W - Disgraceful scheduling"
Miss St - "Strengths: Dak; weak non-conf schedule" and "Sept. 5 at Southern Miss - W - If Hughie Freeze ain't gotta play no Power 5, than neither do we!"
Ole Miss - "Strengths: Starting experience; weak schedule." and "Oct. 10 New Mexico State - W - Worst.FBS.Team.Ever." and
"Sept. 12 Fresno State - W - Did Hughie not get the memo about scheduling Power 5 teams?"
Georgia's only predicted losses are to Alabama and to Auburn.
Ole Miss's only predicted losses are to Alabama and to Auburn.