Russia Invades Ukraine

[Cackalacky2.0]

Looks like Russia trying to conscript new soldiers and wry one is fleeing out of Russia.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Saw an article that said the vehicle line to exit Russia for Finland was 20 miles long.

 

[drayer54]

Now it is Finland that also has an immigration problem. I don't think this mobilization is a good thing. Nuclear sabre rattling to go with. It means Putin isn't going to settle for small annexations in the South. I'd be nervous about Ukraine's ability to defend a large scale attack from the North and South.

 

[Irish#1]

The acts of a desperate man. No one is going to try and take any territory from Russia. They just want him to leave Ukraine.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The acts of a desperate man. No one is going to try and take any territory from Russia. They just want him to leave Ukraine.

Well if Ukraine liberates the two Russia aligned provinces and Crimea (which Russia has publically claimed is theirs) and which Ukraine are poised to do, a Putinphile would say that would be taking away territory.

 

[GowerND11]

Well if Ukraine liberates the two Russia aligned provinces and Crimea (which Russia has publically claimed is theirs) and which Ukraine are poised to do, a Putinphile would say that would be taking away territory.

It wouldn't be real. It would be Western media spin. Get it right Cack.

 

[INLaw]

At some point the midget with a nuke briefcase becomes the boy who cried wolf.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

So Mr. Tough Guy's stance now is "let me win or I'll nuke you"?

 

[ab2cmiller]

So Mr. Tough Guy's stance now is "let me win or I'll nuke you"?

And he is clearly not bluffing because he told us he’s not bluffing.

 

[drayer54]

And he is clearly not bluffing because he told us he’s not bluffing.

I think the western world has to treat him like he’s not bluffing. But if he sends a hundred thousand towards Belarus and makes Ukraine fight on two fronts, the west will be pressed again to make tough decisions.

 

[calvegas04]

If putin tries a 2nd front again which I'm not sure they have the logistics anymore to do that. I can see some of the Baltic states seriously consider jumping in to help Ukraine. This would not trigger NATO article 5

 

[IrishLax]

Saw an article that said the vehicle line to exit Russia for Finland was 20 miles long.

Tbh I've been shocked at him losing but even more shocked at how he didn't have any sort of face-saving Plan B for "oh shit my three day war failed to take Kyiv."

Like he's actually justifying further intervention and consolidation against him -- as well as civic unrest -- by threatening unprovoked nuclear escalation AND telling his citizens that he's going to start drafting people. He is guaranteeing that people HAVE to unite against him because there is no scenario that logically allows you to let someone threaten you with nukes and then you capitulate. You have to leave that part unsaid, or you end up in "don't negotiate with terrorists" territory.

 

[dublinirish]

Tbh I've been shocked at him losing but even more shocked at how he didn't have any sort of face-saving Plan B for "oh shit my three day war failed to take Kyiv."

Like he's actually justifying further intervention and consolidation against him -- as well as civic unrest -- by threatening unprovoked nuclear escalation AND telling his citizens that he's going to start drafting people. He is guaranteeing that people HAVE to unite against him because there is no scenario that logically allows you to let someone threaten you with nukes and then you capitulate. You have to leave that part unsaid, or you end up in "don't negotiate with terrorists" territory.

already started and in true imperialist fashion its the ethnic minorities who will be pressed into the frontlines to basically act as cannon fodder

 

[bobbyok1]

Tbh I've been shocked at him losing

What "losing" are you referring to here?

 

[calvegas04]

What "losing" are you referring to here?

Russian controlled TV

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

It wouldn't be real. It would be Western media spin. Get it right Cack.

Fucking globalists!

 

[bobbyok1]

Russian controlled TV

I don't know much about Russian TV. The Twitter account posting this is obviously not an unbiased source, good grief just take a look at the run of stories she has written: Julia Davis - The Daily Beast

Some of the statements made by the Russian doing the talking (assuming accurate English translation), are simply inaccurate. That the Russian Armed Forces were "unprepared for a war of this magnitude. Ukraine's armed forces were ready." Lol, what? They have been planning this for 10 years or so, and not just the conflict but the decoupling associated issues with separation from Western powers and association with Eastern powers.

Ukraine has been defeated over and over again in this conflict. The city of Bakhmut is about to fall in the Donbass Region. This is THE key fight happening in the entire conflict right now. Ukraine's military forces are fighting on far too many fronts, spread thin. In fact the US recently recommended to Ukraine to focus their offense on one primary front, they have not listened. Presumably to gain "morale victories" to build on.

Sorry, not buying this take simply because it is a Russian TV show. Lots of false narratives float around US media. It would be unwise for a foreigner to assume they are true simply because Americans are the ones expressing them.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Tucker and Fox carrying Putins water.

 

[ab2cmiller]

It’s hard to imagine trying to have a good faith negotiation with Russia.

 

[drayer54]

Tucker and Fox carrying Putins water.

All of Fox or Tucker?

Tucker is an isolationist presenting his views. Lots of people don't want to touch things overseas. I get it. I don't share the view, but I get it.

Maybe Russia can keep supplying ukraine?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

More cases of falling cancer are being reported in Russia

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

All of Fox or Tucker?

Tucker is an isolationist presenting his views. Lots of people don't want to touch things overseas. I get it. I don't share the view, but I get it.

Maybe Russia can keep supplying ukraine?

Yes. Both lol. You see by paying and allowing Tucker to broadcast Russian propaganda they are a willing participants. Lmao

 

[drayer54]

Yes. Both lol. You see by paying and allowing Tucker to broadcast Russian propaganda they are a willing participants. Lmao

To be clear- I do not agree with Tucker here. However, these are pretty standard isolationist views. I don't see how that could be considered Russian propaganda. People don't have to fit one narrow view and demand conformity.

 

[GowerND11]

I don't know much about Russian TV. The Twitter account posting this is obviously not an unbiased source, good grief just take a look at the run of stories she has written: Julia Davis - The Daily Beast

Some of the statements made by the Russian doing the talking (assuming accurate English translation), are simply inaccurate. That the Russian Armed Forces were "unprepared for a war of this magnitude. Ukraine's armed forces were ready." Lol, what? They have been planning this for 10 years or so, and not just the conflict but the decoupling associated issues with separation from Western powers and association with Eastern powers.

Ukraine has been defeated over and over again in this conflict. The city of Bakhmut is about to fall in the Donbass Region. This is THE key fight happening in the entire conflict right now. Ukraine's military forces are fighting on far too many fronts, spread thin. In fact the US recently recommended to Ukraine to focus their offense on one primary front, they have not listened. Presumably to gain "morale victories" to build on.

Sorry, not buying this take simply because it is a Russian TV show. Lots of false narratives float around US media. It would be unwise for a foreigner to assume they are true simply because Americans are the ones expressing them.

Russia is winning, but couldn't take Kyiv in the first month, and is now no longer near it? Russia got kicked back from occupied territories in the north, and are now losing territory in the east. I'm not sure if you are delusional, intentionally obtuse, a troll, or all three? I mean, it's pretty much agreed upon around the world that EVEN IF Russia wins this war, it has been an absolute embarrassment for them militarily, logistically, and politically.

 

[drayer54]

Russia is winning, but couldn't take Kyiv in the first month, and is now no longer near it? Russia got kicked back from occupied territories in the north, and are now losing territory in the east. I'm not sure if you are delusional, intentionally obtuse, a troll, or all three? I mean, it's pretty much agreed upon around the world that EVEN IF Russia wins this war, it has been an absolute embarrassment for them militarily, logistically, and politically.

You sound like one of those people who feels like they contributed to the war effort by dancing on TikTok and putting a blue and yellow yard sign out front.

Russia still holds a substantial portion of Ukraine and is mobilizing a shitwhack of people. Ukraine recently took back a big chunk of land (which is awesome) but did so primarily on the Russian retreat. Yes, Russia's military has been accurately sized up by the world, has serious leadership and logistics flaws exposed, and has taken casualties, but Putin doesn't care if he drives a million people into the meat grinder. He wants Ukraine, and right now, he still holds a significant chunk of Ukraine. Repelling Russians from Kyiv was good but also had a lot to do with Russia thinking they were on a parade march and completely underestimating the resistance's intellectual ability. Putin being shamed on Twitter isn't the L you seem to think it is. I think this war just got drawn out. The mobilization is Putin's signal that he isn't backing down and the West (not the worthless Germans) is backing Ukraine well for a longer fight.

Putin still holds an Ace in natural gas. Europe's energy incompetence is an advantage for Russia in the long term, and winter is ahead. I can see how people might think Ukraine has momentum right now, but your characterization seems wildly naive.

 

[GowerND11]

You sound like one of those people who feels like they contributed to the war effort by dancing on TikTok and putting a blue and yellow yard sign out front.

Russia still holds a substantial portion of Ukraine and is mobilizing a shitwhack of people. Ukraine recently took back a big chunk of land (which is awesome) but did so primarily on the Russian retreat. Yes, Russia's military has been accurately sized up by the world, has serious leadership and logistics flaws exposed, and has taken casualties, but Putin doesn't care if he drives a million people into the meat grinder. He wants Ukraine, and right now, he still holds a significant chunk of Ukraine. Repelling Russians from Kyiv was good but also had a lot to do with Russia thinking they were on a parade march and completely underestimating the resistance's intellectual ability. Putin being shamed on Twitter isn't the L you seem to think it is. I think this war just got drawn out. The mobilization is Putin's signal that he isn't backing down and the West (not the worthless Germans) is backing Ukraine well for a longer fight.

Putin still holds an Ace in natural gas. Europe's energy incompetence is an advantage for Russia in the long term, and winter is ahead. I can see how people might think Ukraine has momentum right now, but your characterization seems wildly naive.

And you sound like,
But, but, but, but, but RuSsIa!!!"

Russia is mobilizing, and people are protesting it.

So when you have your enemy retreating, taking land back isn't valuable? That's like, the point.

He might not care, but Putin's military is exposed, and (outside of nuclear war because he is a mental patient) does not scare anyone with a competent military now.

He holds areas that were already pro Russia, not so significant when he couldn't capture other areas in all reality.

Again, you devalue the Ukrainians defending their capital while at the same time proving my point that Russia is weak, and isn't capable of any significant military operations.

The war that Putin thought would be over quicker than Desert Storm is "just drawn out." C'mon man, it's a disaster. Again, even if Russia wins, it's a big L.

I concede that European allies need to not crack, especially Germany with winter coming. However, that still does not make up for the embarrassment of the Russian military over the last 7 months.

 

[drayer54]

The war that Putin thought would be over quicker than Desert Storm is "just drawn out." C'mon man, it's a disaster. Again, even if Russia wins, it's a big L.

I concede that European allies need to not crack, especially Germany with winter coming. However, that still does not make up for the embarrassment of the Russian military over the last 7 months.

1- In the end, all that matters is if Ukraine is Ukraine or USSR. Russia can look like slobs doing it, but if they take Ukraine, it's a bad day for the world. Russia must be defeated in Ukraine to avoid having the Russian launchpad next to NATO, avoid further special operations in other former Soviet states, and weaken China's most strategic alliance. Also- to save Ukraine. Russia cannot have a W here, which is only judged by the end result.

2- Russian embarrassment is only meaningful to people in the west, which is ultimately worthless. To embarrass Russia and land the L, we have to reduce their standing in the world with a real military defeat that cracks their alliance with China and leaves their military leaderless and armorless. This is essential to isolating China, which is also good.

 

[ndfanatic78]

It’s hard to imagine trying to have a good faith negotiation with Russia.

Right because America has always kept to her treaties. How them indigenous peoples doing. They haven’t had any treaties infringed upon or anything. The hate for Russians is sad. The blind tribalism is sickening. I hope you all are ready for 99 red balloons.

 

[notredomer23]

Russia was 10 miles from Bakhmut pre-invasion. They've lost more territory in 3 weeks than they've taken in the whole war. This is despite out-populating Ukraine by 100 million people and having an economy 10X bigger. The Russians are winning so much that you have young men fleeing by the thousands to avoid mobilization. I don't understand the quickness by some to discredit Ukraine's success and borderline support Russia because one doesn't trust western media.