Rumored Violations

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Freeeee ToooooT

 

[koonja]

Strange because people largely stopped caring after the Michigan route. Guess last night brought the spotlight back to our depth issues.

Hey, not me. FREE EVERYONE!

 

[CarrollVermin]

Hey, not me. FREE EVERYONE!

No definitely not. You've been a strong advocate from day one. I'll give credit where credit is due.

 

[IrishInFl]

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[Huntr]

During Sunday teleconference, Kelly just said the players haven't had their hearing yet.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Things that make you go, hmmm!?!?!

 

[Huntr]

Things that make me go "wtf?"

 

[Cali_domer]

Wow...

 

[mriguy]

I am sure Kelly is about to have a come apart. One would like to think there will be some clarity to the situation by weeksend.

 

[Cackalacky]

Disappointed.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

gut feeling: longer this goes the more I worry the results are going to be very bad.

 

[Cali_domer]

 

[koonja]

These kids need to start looking at legal help IMO.

 

[johnnycando]

gut feeling: longer this goes the more I worry the results are going to be very bad.

I feel like it's very bad regardless of finding.

Like if they're innocent, wow. They'll be transferring.

If they're guilty then yeah, it's bad.

 

[wizards8507]

These kids need to start looking at legal help IMO.

On what grounds? There's no legal case here whatsoever. Kelly or Jenkins could bench a player for no reason other than they didn't like the way he ate his bacon in the morning.

 

[FLDomer]

During Sunday teleconference, Kelly just said the players haven't had their hearing yet.

Doug Farmer reported that BK had no update, not that the hearings for sure haven't happened...idk wtf is going on I just hope it's resolved soon.

 

[Huntr]

Doug Farmer reported that BK had no update, not that the hearings for sure haven't happened...idk wtf is going on I just hope it's resolved soon.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kelly adds he "talked to a couple of the guys, and as of Friday they had not had their hearings."</p>— Douglas Farmer (@D_Farmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/D_Farmer/status/511214786604847104">September 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[kmoose]

These kids need to start looking at legal help IMO.

That's part of the reason why no one puts much stock in your opinion...

Extracirricular activities at a private university are a privilege, not a right. I'm betting that ND could tell Keivarae Russell that no one with two first names can play football, and there would be very little, if anything, that KR could do about it.

 

[FLDomer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Kelly adds he "talked to a couple of the guys, and as of Friday they had not had their hearings."</p>— Douglas Farmer (@D_Farmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/D_Farmer/status/511214786604847104">September 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Well I will punch my buddy in the face for telling me otherwise...can't trust anyone anymore!

 

[Cackalacky]

On what grounds? There's no legal case here whatsoever. Kelly or Jenkins could bench a player for no reason other than they didn't like the way he ate his bacon in the morning.

I wold say there is some basis for loss of value or future earnings possibly? Not sure but this year could have been significant for both of them and possibly Ishaq as well regarding a future in the NFL

 

[greyhammer90]

I wold say there is some basis for loss of value or future earnings possibly? Not sure but this year could have been significant for both of them and possibly Ishaq as well regarding a future in the NFL

Yeah but Kelly is allowed to bench them for whatever reason he wants. So unless a player should be able to sue a coach for not playing them, I don't really see any claim they could make.

The larger question is if what ND is doing is moral. If they have all the information and the investigation has concluded it's extremely hard to make the case that they are.

 

[wizards8507]

I wold say there is some basis for loss of value or future earnings possibly?

No chance. That's like a finance major suing because a professor gave them a poor grade. Notre Dame has zero obligation to provide these players with a forum in which they can display their skills.

 

[irishog77]

I think if players don't like the way these processes are conducted, the players should: 1)not engage in behavior that is against the rules, or 2)not engage in behavior that could be perceived to be against the rules, thus requiring an investigation, or 3) if 1 or 2 occurs, transfer to another institution that is willing to pay their full tuition, or 4) if 1 or 2 occurs, accept the consequences of the school and move on like a responsible human being.

Suing ND for damages is utterly absurd.

 

[BGIF]

That's part of the reason why no one puts much stock in your opinion...

Extracirricular activities at a private university are a privilege, not a right. I'm betting that ND could tell Keivarae Russell that no one with two first names can play football, and there would be very little, if anything, that KR could do about it.

You've got to stop being so subtle.

 

[Cackalacky]

Yeah but Kelly is allowed to bench them for whatever reason he wants. So unless a player should be able to sue a coach for not playing them, I don't really see any claim they could make.

The larger question is if what ND is doing is moral. If they have all the information and the investigation has concluded it's extremely hard to make the case that they are.

No chance. That's like a finance major suing because a professor gave them a poor grade. Notre Dame has zero obligation to provide these players with a forum in which they can display their skills.

Don't get me wrong, I am just entertaining the idea. Are you telling me that there is not a lawyer than can make that argument?

And to greyhammer that is part if it. Is ND negligent in their process and did that negligence cause ANY harm to the individuals, irrespective give of innocence or guilt.

 

[wizards8507]

Don't get me wrong, I am just entertaining the idea. Are you telling me that there is not a lawyer than can make that argument?

Any lawyer who tried would be laughed out of the courtroom.

And to greyhammer that is part if it. Is ND negligent in their process and did that negligence cause ANY harm to the individuals, irrespective give of innocence or guilt.

Decreased NFL draft status is 1) unprovable, 2) impossible to measure, 3) not within the legal scope of "harm". Again, Notre Dame doesn't owe their players an NFL career and therefore can't be punished for failure to provide them with one.

 

[irishog77]

I hope Rutgers sues Savon Huggins for failure to win 'Ships on his part.

 

[dshans]

... Kelly or Jenkins could bench a player for no reason other than they didn't like the way he ate his bacon in the morning.

More importantly, do they/you prefer their/your bacon crispy or chewy? Pan fried or baked? Do you/they save the bacon fat?*

I prefer mine baked and chewy.





*Bacon fat is a wonder drug.

 

[Cackalacky]

Any lawyer who tried would be laughed out of the courtroom.


Decreased NFL draft status is 1) unprovable, 2) impossible to measure, 3) not within the legal scope of "harm". Again, Notre Dame doesn't owe their players an NFL career and therefore can't be punished for failure to provide them with one.

IDK about impossible. If they have an evaluation grade and someone willing to go on record with it... Maybe some lawyers on here can comment on the legality of it.

 

[Crazy Balki]

That's part of the reason why no one puts much stock in your opinion...

Extracirricular activities at a private university are a privilege, not a right. I'm betting that ND could tell Keivarae Russell that no one with two first names can play football, and there would be very little, if anything, that KR could do about it.

I couldn't disagree more. I don't, nor will I ever see football, or any sport for that matter, as an "extracurricular activity". It is a service. An important one at that. They are responsible for providing a very high majority of alumni donations. You can bet without the team, ND wouldn't be as fruitful financially as they currently are, and as a result, the ability to expand in both athletics and academics would be severely limited. It's not like these kids attend the university and one day say "Hey, I wanna play some football." and the rest is history. They signed a letter of intent and thus are put on scholarship as long as they continue to contribute to the football team. If they happen to break any school rules or team rules, which are generally provided within their letter of intent, then that could be grounds to remove their scholarship and/or expulsion depending on circumstances, but Jenkins/Kelly/Jack can't just wake up in the morning and say, "Hey, I don't like your shoes...pack your shit, you're going home." They would be at the mercy of the NCAA and certainly be fired immediately.

We like to believe that ND is academics first, but the fact of the matter is, without football, there probably wouldn't be a Notre Dame to speak of, at least as grand a university it is today.