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Everyone assumes that the two weeks since the investigation concluded without any updates MUST be due to ND's inefficiency in administering a judgement.

Why does nobody assume that the results of the investigation were horribly bad for those players and ND has spent the last two weeks working its butt off to mitigate the impact on the affected players? Can anyone offer a credible piece of evidence to suggest the latter assumption is any less valid than the former?

And as far as the impact on recruiting...Ask the kids at the Michigan game last weekend how much they spent thinking about 5 suspended players who clearly screwed up (if they had been exonerated via the investigation, they would have been immediately reinstated) versus how much fun they had watching the Irish take UM out behind the woodshed.

Kids don't look at suspended players and think that could be them someday. Nobody assumes they'll get caught with their hand in the cookie jar until they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Saturdays like ND v. UM have far more impact on recruiting than a handful of player suspensions ever will. Does anyone think that UM could effectively negative-recruit against the Irish this year?

Hoke: ND is really strict, kid.
Player: Yeah, but they kicked your butt even without their star players.
Hoke: [chokes on hot dog]

The best way to counteract negative recruiting is to beat the coach who is talking smack. Let's keep some perspective here.
 
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BigIrish said:
Everyone assumes that the two weeks since the investigation concluded without any updates MUST be due to ND's inefficiency in administering a judgement.

Why does nobody assume that the results of the investigation were horribly bad for those players and ND has spent the last two weeks working its butt off to mitigate the impact on the affected players? Can anyone offer a credible piece of evidence to suggest the latter assumption is any less valid than the former?

And as far as the impact on recruiting...Ask the kids at the Michigan game last weekend how much they spent thinking about 5 suspended players who clearly screwed up (if they had been exonerated via the investigation, they would have been immediately reinstated) versus how much fun they had watching the Irish take UM out behind the woodshed.

Kids don't look at suspended players and think that could be them someday. Nobody assumes they'll get caught with their hand in the cookie jar until they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Saturdays like ND v. UM have far more impact on recruiting than a handful of player suspensions ever will. Does anyone think that UM could effectively negative-recruit against the Irish this year?

Hoke: ND is really strict, kid.
Player: Yeah, but they kicked your butt even without their star players.
Hoke: [chokes on hot dog]

The best way to counteract negative recruiting is to beat the coach who is talking smack. Let's keep some perspective here.
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Why would ND work at all to mitigate the impact on the players? If the investigation revealed they cheated then the most they would get is expulsion or suspension and they have shown no hesitancy in doing so in previous situations involving honor code (see Golson and Daniels). If the kids cheated then they are out. There is no mitigation process, only an appeal process.
 
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i know i am going off topic again, [nothing new for this thread, but is there anywhere on IE that you can wager Vbucks on College or NFL games?
 
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BigIrish said:
Everyone assumes that the two weeks since the investigation concluded without any updates MUST be due to ND's inefficiency in administering a judgement.

Why does nobody assume that the results of the investigation were horribly bad for those players and ND has spent the last two weeks working its butt off to mitigate the impact on the affected players? Can anyone offer a credible piece of evidence to suggest the latter assumption is any less valid than the former?

And as far as the impact on recruiting...Ask the kids at the Michigan game last weekend how much they spent thinking about 5 suspended players who clearly screwed up (if they had been exonerated via the investigation, they would have been immediately reinstated) versus how much fun they had watching the Irish take UM out behind the woodshed.

Kids don't look at suspended players and think that could be them someday. Nobody assumes they'll get caught with their hand in the cookie jar until they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Saturdays like ND v. UM have far more impact on recruiting than a handful of player suspensions ever will. Does anyone think that UM could effectively negative-recruit against the Irish this year?

Hoke: ND is really strict, kid.
Player: Yeah, but they kicked your butt even without their star players.
Hoke: [chokes on hot dog]

The best way to counteract negative recruiting is to beat the coach who is talking smack. Let's keep some perspective here.
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That's not the role of the Dean or the Academic Honesty Committee. Their role is to see the evidence and then render a decision, not to try to mitigate the decision. This has taken as long as it has because someone somewhere doesn't want to make it a priority. For two weeks it has been sitting somewhere and no one has communicated with the student or with their families. There just isn't an excuse for the university at this point. None.
 
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And for the record, this has been a failure on Jack's part as well. As the "CEO" of the athletic department he sure has left his commodities out to dry. He has been very quiet in this process and a failure, IMO.
 
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My theory is they were doing something they thought was ok, part of the norm and not trying to be dishonest. The university believes them, but doesn't know exactly how to proceed because it was a violation and that determination is what's taking the time. It probably includes past players too.

Just my guess.

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Have't sent, but considering this email:

"Hi there,

What on God's green earth is the hold up with the 5 suspended student athletes? The investigation ended over two weeks ago. Have you no precedent for handling potential academic violations?

I purchased the remainder of what is season tickets a week ago, presuming your office was competent and wouldn't be holding players hostage the whole year. I'm not thrilled to find out that significant players are being punished without being deemed guilty.

If they're guilty, punish them. If you cannot prove their guilt, release them. The time table you're operating under has become laughable and holding student athletes hostage while you spin your wheels on something that no doubt has precedent is embarassing.

Sincerely,"
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Hello, ND Administration, how may I help you?
Hi this is Koonja. What's the hold up with the five student athletes?
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Hello, ND Administration, how may I help you?
Hi this is Koonja. What are you wearing?
Sir we have your phone number on caller ID. Stop calling here and breathing hard.
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CarrollVermin said:
And for the record, this has been a failure on Jack's part as well. As the "CEO" of the athletic department he sure has left his commodities out to dry. He has been very quiet in this process and a failure, IMO.
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Yeah, but who the heck knows what is really happening, behind the scenes?
 
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BigIrish said:
Everyone assumes that the two weeks since the investigation concluded without any updates MUST be due to ND's inefficiency in administering a judgement.

Why does nobody assume that the results of the investigation were horribly bad for those players and ND has spent the last two weeks working its butt off to mitigate the impact on the affected players? Can anyone offer a credible piece of evidence to suggest the latter assumption is any less valid than the former?

And as far as the impact on recruiting...Ask the kids at the Michigan game last weekend how much they spent thinking about 5 suspended players who clearly screwed up (if they had been exonerated via the investigation, they would have been immediately reinstated) versus how much fun they had watching the Irish take UM out behind the woodshed.

Kids don't look at suspended players and think that could be them someday. Nobody assumes they'll get caught with their hand in the cookie jar until they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Saturdays like ND v. UM have far more impact on recruiting than a handful of player suspensions ever will. Does anyone think that UM could effectively negative-recruit against the Irish this year?

Hoke: ND is really strict, kid.
Player: Yeah, but they kicked your butt even without their star players.
Hoke: [chokes on hot dog]

The best way to counteract negative recruiting is to beat the coach who is talking smack. Let's keep some perspective here.
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Funny. Is it just me, or does Hoke appear to be just completely out of it? All he does during the game is act as a cheerleader for the players. And the responses he gives during interviews? Like a third grader - and a not very bright one, at that.
 
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CarrollVermin said:
That's not the role of the Dean or the Academic Honesty Committee. Their role is to see the evidence and then render a decision, not to try to mitigate the decision. This has taken as long as it has because someone somewhere doesn't want to make it a priority. For two weeks it has been sitting somewhere and no one has communicated with the student or with their families. There just isn't an excuse for the university at this point. None.
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Rendering a decision that is commensurate with the severity of the crime but offers a path toward resolution and, potentially redemption, is the very definition of "mitigating the impact."

The second half of your response is pure, 100% conjecture on your part, from the outside looking in, and is no more or less valid than any other theory projected thus far.
 
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BigIrish said:
Rendering a decision that is commensurate with the severity of the crime but offers a path toward resolution and, potentially redemption, is the very definition of "mitigating the impact."

The second half of your response is pure, 100% conjecture on your part, from the outside looking in, and is no more or less valid than any other theory projected thus far.
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Judging by the tweets from DD and his father I think we can conclude that they haven't been part of the process thus far and have not been informed of any hearings or otherwise. So yeah, I guess it is conjecture but largely based on the information that the Daniels' have been providing.
 
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CarrollVermin said:
Judging by the tweets from DD and his father I think we can conclude that they haven't been part of the process thus far and have not been informed of any hearings or otherwise. So yeah, I guess it is conjecture but largely based on the information that the Daniels' have been providing.
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I agree with this...even though I got scorched earlier in this thread for trying to i"nterpret" the tweets. They are the only non-hearsay we've got to go on.
 
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Go write a letter, make a phone call, and put on the martyr act like you are serving the best interest of anyone but yourself.... You're already succeeding.
 
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The dramatics seem uncalled for. I don't see how it benefits anyone to incite an uprising (lol) of sorts. We're not privy to all the details regarding the investigation (and we know why). At this point, as others have expressed, it all seems like conjecture to assign definitive blame.

So, yes, I am awaiting a just resolution, and am confident that the University will deliver one when the time is right. Of course, the hope is that all involved are vindicated. Unfortunately, we simply do not know at this point, and that's fine. If it turns out that the students were wrongly treated in the process, there will be time to address that issue once we know it to be true.

Until then, get on with it already... :)
 
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Hello, ND Administration, how may I help you?
Hi this is Koonja. What's the hold up with the five student athletes?
May I inquire as to your interest in this?
I'm upset because they're not playing and no one is telling me why!
Are you the parent of one of the students?
No, but I'm a big fan and well known on Irish Envy.
You're not a parent, correct?
Correct
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