Rumored Violations

[JughedJones]

Also, I will say, if my speculation is correct its not like they can just move up the date of the meeting. Im in charge of a 27 person council at ND- it would be literally impossible to change it to any other day other than the one it is scheduled for.

I have no idea which council makes this decision- I know its part of the judicial council, but unsure how many members are comprised. If its a 10+ member council, theres no way they could move it. None.

Seriously Jimmy?

I really love you man... you've been nothing but awesome for a long time.

But you've been nothing but wrong too. Look at the info you gave us about GB, look at the info you gave us about this.....

come on, man. step your fucking game up.

 

[Irish#1]

Fr. Walsh and then Fr. Charles O'Donnell weren't in pleases with "Rockne's Notre Dame" and tried to rein in Rockne. They didn't.

After Rockne's death O'Donnell put a choker on Hunk AND rained on the program.

Fr Cavanaugh wasn't pleased with "Leahy's Lads" and struggled with Leahy.

Cavanaugh's successor Fr. Hesburgh put Leahy out to pasture when Leahy requested a medical leave of absence. Hesburgh then promoted the freshman coach to head coach and crippled the program. Then he fired him and hired Kuharich while still hamstringing the program.

Fr Malloy pushed Holtz out the door and hired Davie, O'Leary, Willingham, and Weis for a distinct schematic disadvantage. Monk also hired ADs mike Wadsworth andKevin White raining on the program.


Is Fr Jenkins reining in Kelly through an Honesty Program?

No, he's following University established procedure. You may recall ND was taken to task for the campus police's handling of the St Mary's student who claimed sexual assault and the Feds chastised ND and found their procedures wanting. ND was fined by OSHA after the death of a student videographer for a lack of policy, and training. Two decades ago Fr. Jenkins witnessed the Moore wrongful termination lawsuit. As well as the Dunbar Infractions. He was also ND's present when OSU, UA, and, Ole Miss.made procedural errors regarding infractions.


Also Jenkins actions have been assisting the program.

Although not yet President, Jenkins flew to Utah to try to secure Urban Meyer as head coach.

Jenkins implemented the training table that other Presidents fought.

The turf field went in under his reign, as did the the Crossroads Projecrt.

The Office of Residential Life was wears revamped by Jenkins making it less Dranconian.

Admissions and the current.coaching staff work together better that previous ND coaches.

Jenkins hired Swarbrick.

I see lots of progress being made with The Program by this President, as opposed to trying to rein in a head coach who hasn't won a national champioship ... Yet. And, I see a President concerned about a threat to the core values of the University and he's dotting the eyes and crossing the tees ensuring the established procedures are being followed to deal with the issues and the students involved.

I'd rep ya, but I've got to spread the love. Someone rep this man for me.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I'm getting to the point where it wouldn't surprise me if the reason why they're moving so deliberately is if this is all just a formality towards all 5 getting kicked.

It's possible it's all as simple in timing as Jimmy points out and there's nothing more to it, but I think if they had said "oh shoot, looks like you're in the clear and we held you out by mistake. my bad!" then there wouldn't even be a need for this next step to "clear" a player... I dunno if that makes sense, but it does in my head.

I agree. But, if there is truth to the rumor KVR didn't cheat but was technically guilty of not snitching, they would still need to send their findings to the council and allow them to decide if it was a harsh enough action to warrant penalty?

 

[wizards8507]

I'm getting to the point where it wouldn't surprise me if the reason why they're moving so deliberately is if this is all just a formality towards all 5 getting kicked.

I think that's very likely. All of this consternation presupposes innocence. If they turn out to be guilty anyways, what difference does it make how long they took to announce it?

 

[Irish#1]

I'm getting to the point where it wouldn't surprise me if the reason why they're moving so deliberately is if this is all just a formality towards all 5 getting kicked.

It's possible it's all as simple in timing as Jimmy points out and there's nothing more to it, but I think if they had said "oh shoot, looks like you're in the clear and we held you out by mistake. my bad!" then there wouldn't even be a need for this next step to "clear" a player... I dunno if that makes sense, but it does in my head.

Or it could simply be that they feel it would cause more problems, rumors, commotion and speculation with the others if they were to let one or two resume their football activities before a decision on the others could be rendered. Would also be a major distraction with the team.

 

[autry_denson]

I'm getting to the point where it wouldn't surprise me if the reason why they're moving so deliberately is if this is all just a formality towards all 5 getting kicked.

It's possible it's all as simple in timing as Jimmy points out and there's nothing more to it, but I think if they had said "oh shoot, looks like you're in the clear and we held you out by mistake. my bad!" then there wouldn't even be a need for this next step to "clear" a player... I dunno if that makes sense, but it does in my head.

Hate to say it, but I agree that the one scenario where this ridiculous delay might make sense is if they're preparing to kick everybody out. In that case, I could see why they would want to cover all bases before taking that serious a step. In every other scenario, this delay is beyond comprehension.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Wouldn't everyone who has to go through these procedures suffer the same degree of impact to their career if found innocent? I did some engineering competition stuff which was integral to my acceptance to graduate school...if I had had to go through the process, would you guys support moving the meetings for me so I wouldn't miss my competition meetings (which would have caused severe damage to my career even if innocent)? I'm sure every student has important stuff they miss when an investigation happens. Should the committee meet daily to make sure there's no delay ever?

Yes, I would support an expedited meeting if it was truly a unique opportunity. We aren't in third grade, though. Just because DD gets an expedited hearing, doesn't mean everyone needs to.

Have you all seen the Jug? Have you read about the tutors, the massages, the meals, the chartered planes, etc., etc. Those guys are not normal students. They generate a huge revenue stream.

Why does everyone need to feel some false sense of equality with them?

And who on Earth is going to think moving a committee meeting a day or two is a special privilege that undermines the process?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Seriously Jimmy?

I really love you man... you've been nothing but awesome for a long time.

But you've been nothing but wrong too. Look at the info you gave us about GB, look at the info you gave us about this.....

come on, man. step your fucking game up.

He gave us info about GB that at the time was true. He wanted to leave. He stuck it out. Jimmy wasn't wrong. His info about this isn't info at all. He's stated several times it was his speculation and stated his reasoning given first hand experience running one of these councils.

Jimmy posts rarely as it is.

Jimmy post moar.

Ignore the newbie who insulted you and called you a child.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

You guys are cruel.

#fighton


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[JughedJones]

I'm sick of this shitty bullshit.
Fuckyou Michigan

I love all of our "helpers" here. They've given us nothing.

We win. Period.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

You guys are cruel.

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#JumpOn



Too Soon?

 

[Circa]

No matter the outcome, it is difficult to understand how this situation could be handled so poorly, with such disregard for the negative impact on everyone involved and everyone invested.

I would love to agree with your entire post.. but; poorly, disregard, negative impact, everyone involved, .. invested........ we could include the entire nation of true ND fans, future students without the ability to play sports, past and present students whom have no ability to play sports, past students whom built this site in and of itself, than there is the us.... Us as in the ones whom think our own rights are more important than 127 years of integrity that was built on words like honor, belief, wholesomeness, intellectualness, truth, the epitome of this schools character would be hard to hold without the way these few are showing the rest of us.. exactly what we have become. Selfish! GO IRISH!!

 

[Irish#1]

You guys are cruel.

#fighton


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I thought "You gone"? lol

 

[koonja]

That 'can't move it around, our schedules are fixed, sorry' attitude won't last a month in the real world. In my 'doesn't mean anything' opinion, that explanation from the council is baby back bullshit.

 

[JughedJones]

He gave us info about GB that at the time was true. He wanted to leave. He stuck it out. Jimmy wasn't wrong. His info about this isn't info at all. He's stated several times it was his speculation and stated his reasoning given first hand experience running one of these councils.

Jimmy posts rarely as it is.

Jimmy post moar.

Ignore the newbie who insulted you and called you a child.

Bullshit.

He heard from a dude that bunks with him that GB doesn't BLAH BLAH??

Fuvk that. Fuckthat then and Fuckthat now.

Why don't you just keep your fucking mouth shut the whole time? Kids are weird, they want to do all kinds of things, I don't need to know what GB or Louis Nix told his roomie one night.

We're going to beat Michigan on Saturday. That's all I care about.

 

[Domina Nostra]

That 'can't move it around, our schedules are fixed, sorry' attitude won't last a month in the real world. In my 'doesn't mean anything' opinion, that explanation from the council is baby back bullshit.

Unfortunately, it's exactly the way huge parts of the country are run, especially when you are dealing with the government.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Rumored Violations

In all honesty this is crazy that it has taken this long if the investigation ended last week. Notre Dame promised the parents of these kids that they would take care of them. Clearly in this situation the Unniversity had failed, leaving these kids in limbo.

I won't feel bad at all for the unniversity when Brian Kelly leaves.

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[MNIrishman]

Yes, I would support an expedited meeting if it was truly a unique opportunity. We aren't in third grade, though. Just because DD gets an expedited hearing, doesn't mean everyone needs to.

Have you all seen the Jug? Have you read about the tutors, the massages, the meals, the chartered planes, etc., etc. Those guys are not normal students. They generate a huge revenue stream.

Why does everyone need to feel some false sense of equality with them?

And who on Earth is going to think moving a committee meeting a day or two is a special privilege that undermines the process?

The University's name generates a huge revenue stream. The players wear the colors and are fortunate to have the opportunity. Who watches Maurice Clarett now that he's no longer at Ohio State? Do you tune in to every game with Brady Quinn now?

My engineering competition brought in a few grand. My research activities indirectly brought in hundreds of thousands of research dollars. I don't think I should have been higher than a student who wasn't partially responsible for income, though, which brings me to my next point:

Students at Notre Dame are equal. You don't get special treatment as an athlete. Let me say that again: the policies don't permit special treatment of athletes. You live in the same dorms. You attend the same classes. You have the same friends.

You can say that the process in this case should be amended to be more expedient. But you cannot say that it should be more expedient just because football. To say otherwise is to disagree with an idea at the core of Notre Dame.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I lead a group of bankers, cpa's and lawyers that meet once a month. There are 15 of us, and I change the date of the meeting with days notice, probably every other month.

I have trouble grasping why a group of 12 students and faculty couldn't work that out. Especially with the national attention this has seen.

Because bankers have busy, but flexible schedules. Students and faculty have classes that are pre-scheduled.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Bullshit.

He heard from a dude that bunks with him that GB doesn't BLAH BLAH??

Fuvk that. Fuckthat then and Fuckthat now.

Why don't you just keep your fucking mouth shut the whole time? Kids are weird, they want to do all kinds of things, I don't need to know what GB or Louis Nix told his roomie one night.

We're going to beat Michigan on Saturday. That's all I care about.

Really I know nothing

But didn't GB want to leave but had a talk with his dad and decided to stick it out.

And I believe rumors and speculation were flying around and Jimmy stepped in just to give what he knew on the situation. That's far more than most of us do. We give our completely biased opinions. Much of which are uneducated on the situation. Just as this one NONE OF US KNOW THE FACTS. Jimmy's 'info' of how his council works is more actual info than 95% of the posts in this thread.

 

[Irish Insanity]

In all honesty this is crazy that it has taken this long if the investigation ended last week. Notre Dame promised the parents of these kids that they would take care of them. Clearly in this situation the Unniversity had failed, leaving these kids in limbo.

I won't feel bad at all for the unniversity when Brian Kelly leaves.

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I agree with the overall point of what your saying. But theses aren't kids. They can legally buy smokes, some can legally buy liquor, they can legally fight (and possibly die) for their country. If they were freshman, I'd understand the kid part a lot more. But they aren't.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Bullshit.

He heard from a dude that bunks with him that GB doesn't BLAH BLAH??

Fuvk that. Fuckthat then and Fuckthat now.

Why don't you just keep your fucking mouth shut the whole time? Kids are weird, they want to do all kinds of things, I don't need to know what GB or Louis Nix told his roomie one night.

We're going to beat Michigan on Saturday. That's all I care about.

Is this Hyde? Cause it doesn't sound like Jughed. Are you on your 6th redbull and vodka? You're on fire right now.

 

[NDALA]

That 'can't move it around, our schedules are fixed, sorry' attitude won't last a month in the real world. In my 'doesn't mean anything' opinion, that explanation from the council is baby back bullshit.

Yeah anyone saying meetings can't be moved around obviously isn't in the real working world yet. Things happen shit changes get used to it.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm just excited to beat Michigan without the five of them and then laugh even harder at those Wolverine fucks.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Because bankers have busy, but flexible schedules. Students and faculty have classes that are pre-scheduled.

There is no one on Earth with easier schedules than college folks.

 

[johnnycando]

Fuck this mess.


ROLL TIDE.





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Just kidding holy heck!

It burns!

 

[greyhammer90]

Wouldn't everyone who has to go through these procedures suffer the same degree of impact to their career if found innocent? I did some engineering competition stuff which was integral to my acceptance to graduate school...if I had had to go through the process, would you guys support moving the meetings for me so I wouldn't miss my competition meetings (which would have caused severe damage to my career even if innocent)? I'm sure every student has important stuff they miss when an investigation happens. Should the committee meet daily to make sure there's no delay ever?

From what I understand they aren't being held out of academic activities. They are being held solely out of football. I could be wrong on that point though.

 

[Domina Nostra]

The University's name generates a huge revenue stream. The players wear the colors and are fortunate to have the opportunity. Who watches Maurice Clarett now that he's no longer at Ohio State? Do you tune in to every game with Brady Quinn now?

My engineering competition brought in a few grand. My research activities indirectly brought in hundreds of thousands of research dollars. I don't think I should have been higher than a student who wasn't partially responsible for income, though, which brings me to my next point:

Students at Notre Dame are equal. You don't get special treatment as an athlete. Let me say that again: the policies don't permit special treatment of athletes. You live in the same dorms. You attend the same classes. You have the same friends.

You can say that the process in this case should be amended to be more expedient. But you cannot say that it should be more expedient just because football. To say otherwise is to disagree with an idea at the core of Notre Dame.

No they aren't. Some pay $60K for the privilege of attending. Some get everything for free, have different access to registration, housing, staff, extracurriculars, academic help, alumni, etc. I guess what you mean is this is one place on campus where no exceptions are made. I think exceptions should always be available, if they are applied justly.

 

[JughedJones]

Is this Hyde? Cause it doesn't sound like Jughed. Are you on your 6th redbull and vodka? You're on fire right now.

I'm just sick of hearing from 'inside sources' that don't know shite.

In my experience here, anyone that says they 'know something' you can bet on the opposite.

I love Jimmy, but fuck this. Shut up Jimmy. Fuck Michigan.

 

[wizards8507]

There is no one on Earth with easier schedules than college folks.

Yes college students have manageable schedules on an individual level, but they're much more difficult to coordinate with one another. Just about every business professional is in the office Monday through Friday, 8:30 to 5:00 or thereabouts. Students are in class "here and there" anywhere from 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM, with clubs, work, and extracurriculars sprinkled throughout. Each kid might have 5 or 6 "free hours" in a day, but coordinating 10 different kids who all have a DIFFERENT 5 or 6 hours is near impossible. When Joey gets out of Calculus, Cindy is in band rehearsal. Mark gets out of work at 3 but, oh shoot, that's when Kyle's engineering lab meets.

In the business world, you can drop an important meeting on someone's calendar and they can reschedule their conflicts. Kyle can't reschedule his engineering lab.