Rumored Violations

[Ironman8]

Coach D just admitted that it was him who made the tweet after he was tipped one of the players was back and that jersey number was on the field.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Thanks for the update Jimmy.

What the fuck do they need 4 days to talk about?? Tomorrow fucking night?

They don't.

I'm pretty sure earlier in the thread it was stated that they meet once per week. So if it wasn't completed till Friday and their weekly meeting is Thrusday, tomorrow would be the first one.

 

[jimmymac]

Thanks for the update Jimmy.

What the fuck do they need 4 days to talk about?? Tomorrow fucking night?

Again, I believe its because of the way student government is set up. Each student govt organization meets one night a week. Im now of the opinion that for Judicial Council, its Thursday nights.

 

[#1rish]

Ah right, thanks.

 

[D-BOE34]

Move meetings to Mondays going forward in case this shit happens again!

 

[IrishLax]

Update on my end:

First, was on a private tour of the stadium tonight, and in the locker room the players nameplates have just ripped off of their lockers, just completely blank . All five nameplates are still absent, not that it would necessarily mean anything.

Second, in my subsequent 6:45pm meeting the president of the judicial council was there, so very unlikely anything happens tonight.

My guess (Im 99% sure now)- the investigation was completed on Friday, and they will be evaluated the Judicial Council meeting tomorrow night. If the investigation had been completed a day earlier, the verdict would have been out last Thursday night. Sucks big time.

This is like... the worst possible news, minus confirming that they're all expelled and that wins are being vacated. Thanks for bringing some truth.

Good to know that we had to wait a full week+ after everything was wrapped up for the regularly scheduled meeting... meanwhile these kids, being in this absurd limbo, have likely lost a whole academic semester now if convicted since their opportunity to transfer has been delayed. All because these academics couldn't be inconvenienced to have expedited hearings.

 

[jimmymac]

Again- this is speculation on my part from the facts I/we have. Its the scenario that to me makes the most sense.

 

[NDdomer2]

If they are found guilty why should the university care if they lost a semester?

 

[koonja]

This is like... the worst possible news, minus confirming that they're all expelled and that wins are being vacated. Thanks for bringing some truth.

Good to know that we had to wait a full week+ after everything was wrapped up for the regularly scheduled meeting... meanwhile these kids, being in this absurd limbo, have likely lost a whole academic semester now if convicted since their opportunity to transfer has been delayed. All because these academics couldn't be inconvenienced to have expedited hearings.

Yes, this is bullshit on ND's end. You can hold a council meeting early. It's not breaking NCAA laws.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Guys, it's ok. We want them to be thorough. It's been 3 weeks and the investigation only ended last Thursday. They need more time.

I think his italics must be broken...

 

[Bluto]

Yes, this is bullshit on ND's end. You can hold a council meeting early. It's not breaking NCAA laws.

So everyone at ND should drop everything just to make some football fans feel better? I'm surprised that anyone that ever went to college is surprised that this process has been somewhat drawn out. Frankly, three weeks does not seem unreasonable a time line to me given the initial allegations.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Update on my end:

First, was on a private tour of the stadium tonight, and in the locker room the players nameplates have just ripped off of their lockers, just completely blank . All five nameplates are still absent, not that it would necessarily mean anything.

Second, in my subsequent 6:45pm meeting the president of the judicial council was there, so very unlikely anything happens tonight.

My guess (Im 99% sure now)- the investigation was completed on Friday, and they will be evaluated the Judicial Council meeting tomorrow night. If the investigation had been completed a day earlier, the verdict would have been out last Thursday night. Sucks big time.

I dunno. As we've already learned, the athletic department and coaching staff are definitely NOT in the loop with the admins on these cases. Me thinks this was just a way to eliminate distractions in the locker room. A simple gesture, but a small way to say we're moving on. Unless they were just now ripping off the nameplates, I'm still in the optimism corner.

 

[MNIrishman]

Suppose we get players cleared tomorrow. Could the late date possibly be a good thing, since the bad guys have no time to change it up?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Farmer on 24/7 thinks this whole mess started when someone saw a ND player wearing #6 enter or leave practice and assumed it was KVR. There is a #6 on ND's Scout team representing a Michigan player. KVR was not there.

Only other #6 is Fiessinger and he a QB. Kinda hard to mix him up with that red jersey. Other than that, no #6's.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Fuck this shit

 

[Ironman8]

Only other #6 is Fiessinger and he a QB. Kinda hard to mix him up with that red jersey. Other than that, no #6's.

If it was a scout team player representing a Michigan player it wouldn't be on the roster, would it?

 

[jimmymac]

I dunno. As we've already learned, the athletic department and coaching staff are definitely NOT in the loop with the admins on these cases. Me thinks this was just a way to eliminate distractions in the locker room. A simple gesture, but a small way to say we're moving on. Unless they were just now ripping off the nameplates, I'm still in the optimism corner.

Yes- i agree with you on that pt, sorry if i made it seem otherwise

 

[DogDaysIrish]

Fuck this shit

Source?




I kid.

 

[jimmymac]

Also, I will say, if my speculation is correct its not like they can just move up the date of the meeting. Im in charge of a 27 person council at ND- it would be literally impossible to change it to any other day other than the one it is scheduled for.

I have no idea which council makes this decision- I know its part of the judicial council, but unsure how many members are comprised. If its a 10+ member council, theres no way they could move it. None.

 

[koonja]

Also, I will say, if my speculation is correct its not like they can just move up the date of the meeting. Im in charge of a 27 person council at ND- it would be literally impossible to change it to any other day other than the one it is scheduled for.

I have no idea which council makes this decision- I know its part of the judicial council, but unsure how many members are comprised. If its a 10+ member council, theres no way they could move it. None.

So when you getting naked?

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[woolybug25]

Also, I will say, if my speculation is correct its not like they can just move up the date of the meeting. Im in charge of a 27 person council at ND- it would be literally impossible to change it to any other day other than the one it is scheduled for.

I have no idea which council makes this decision- I know its part of the judicial council, but unsure how many members are comprised. If its a 10+ member council, theres no way they could move it. None.

Why is that? Logistically, if they are all available and willing, couldn't they just call an expedited meeting?

 

[Domina Nostra]

I can understand people arguing that things should wrap up faster for everyone, but when did everyone become such apologists for the scheduled committee meetings and bureaucrats. Move the darn meeting. It's a big deal. To pretend it's not is a just a power play or stupidity.

 

[autry_denson]

I really try to be measured in my reaction to these kinds of situations and keep in mind that I don't have any of the details...but at this point this entire episode is so absurd that it's almost difficult to believe. How on earth is it possible that any institution does not have a mechanism to speed up a disciplinary process in order to allow those involved to avoid major damage to their reputations, their academic trajectories, and their athletic careers? How can a process that affects the entire university community, and the millions of people who are invested in it, to drag on for such an inordinate amount of time? It is unfathomable.

Every stage of this investigation suggests to me that the process is being driven by someone, or a group of people, who: 1) got caught up in the idea of using this to demonstrate the unique 'integrity' of the university; 2) developed the idea that they had to go overboard to demonstrate this integrity by doing ill-advised things like pre-emptively discussing the idea of vacating wins before any investigation occurred; 3) followed a rigid process that is guided by a fixed timeline, and stuck to the absurd idea that the timeline could not be adjusted for any reason.

The entire process is so illogical and flies in the face of everything that we know about the need for bureaucratic institutions to be flexible and to be able to adapt to unique circumstances - particularly if the process being followed is doing major damage to the institution.

No matter the outcome, it is difficult to understand how this situation could be handled so poorly, with such disregard for the negative impact on everyone involved and everyone invested.

Rant over, but had to get that off my chest.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Why is that? Logistically, if they are all available and willing, couldn't they just call an expedited meeting?

No, of course not, ITS ON THE CALENDAR!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DogDaysIrish]

Also, I will say, if my speculation is correct its not like they can just move up the date of the meeting. Im in charge of a 27 person council at ND- it would be literally impossible to change it to any other day other than the one it is scheduled for.

I have no idea which council makes this decision- I know its part of the judicial council, but unsure how many members are comprised. If its a 10+ member council, theres no way they could move it. None.

And this is why I'm saying that ND is stonewalling Kelly and his team... Meetings and appointments in the real world are moved all the time based/depending on the severity of the circumstance. ND is pissed and looking to make an example of these folks, win or lose, they don't care. They run this ship and they're going way over the top to prove this point.

 

[woolybug25]

I lead a group of bankers, cpa's and lawyers that meet once a month. There are 15 of us, and I change the date of the meeting with days notice, probably every other month.

I have trouble grasping why a group of 12 students and faculty couldn't work that out. Especially with the national attention this has seen.

 

[Grahambo]

Michigan has a DB who wears #6. Name is Raymon Taylor. He starts.

 

[jimmymac]

Why is that? Logistically, if they are all available and willing, couldn't they just call an expedited meeting?

Logistics/schedules...

Schedules are so busy, itd be logistically impossible to move a council meeting. And while that sucks to hear, thats just the way it is. There no administration stonewalling Kelly... im pretty sure at this point the decision lies in student hands. What do you expect the admin/Kelly to do? Go and find all the student council members, say hey, sorry but we need this decided now, so move around your schedules so we can meeting tonight.... Not gonna happen.

Edit (seeing your post): Even if it were possible, I also dont think the admin would ask them to move it up. What kind of message does that send?


Who knows, maybe Im wrong about everything. Maybe the meeting has happened and theyre sitting on the decision... But to me my speculation makes the most sense.

 

[ndftbl]

Why is that? Logistically, if they are all available and willing, couldn't they just call an expedited meeting?

No question you are correct.

If Jenkins and Co. wanted to move up the meeting, it would have happened.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I would imagine their timeline was lengthened when sifting thru evidence of the alleged sex for papers part. I'm sure they needed to spend a lot of time looking at the evidence.