Robin Williams found dead

[tussin]

Feel bad for his family. Suicide is the ultimate act of selfishness.

 

[Catholics_Rule]

I'm not one get into Hollywood celebrities but this is truly sad. A truly gifted man. I just can't believe it.
I send Prayers to his family in this difficult time.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Feel bad for his family. Suicide is the ultimate act of selfishness.

+1

I feel terrible knowing someone feels that helpless and even worse for those left behind.

 

[koonja]

Very sad. Can't imagine the dynamic of being rich, famous, and miserable. But just goes to show, no ones immune to tough times.

Aladdin is one of my favorite movies ever and Robin William was a huge part of that (coupled with it being hands down Disneys best sound track IMO).

 

[GoldenDomer]

Tough to swallow this... love him.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

If I remember correctly, Robin faced alcoholism and depression for years.
When my gf first told me the news, my mind immediately told me suicide.

Crazy to think that someone that was as loved as much as him, couldn't bring himself to find something positive in life.

Depression is no joke, but there's no excuse for suicide... I feel for his family.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Interesting fact, this quote, and the quote where he talks about his wife farting in bed, were both not in the script. He said both off of the top of his head. This man was a genius actor and the world is less without him in it. From The World According To Garp, to Goodwill Hunting, he epitomized how an actor becomes a true artist. He is one of, if not THE, best actors of this generation. He left us far too early.

I can't find anything saying that line was improvised. I see the farting one and the last line, "Son of a bitch, he stole my line." But I don't see that. It would be truly incredible if he did in fact ad lib it. Source?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

“The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
- David Foster Wallace

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Feel bad for his family. Suicide is the ultimate act of selfishness.

No. It's not. It's the outcome of a person being in tremendous pain, often due to depression and/or addiction.

 

[dwshade]

No. It's not. It's the outcome of a person being in tremendous pain, often due to depression and/or addiction.

100% correct. People who make statements like suicide is selfish have obviously never experienced severe clinical depression. It's like being in a black hole with no way out. Unless you've been there don't judge.

 

[Irish#1]

Lost a comedic genius. I don't remember what it was titled and I think it aired on HBO, but his stand up routine where he discussed anal leakage ans used a water bottle had me rolling.

God Bless You Robin.

 

[Johannes]

No. It's not. It's the outcome of a person being in tremendous pain, often due to depression and/or addiction.

As someone who deals daily with death, destruction, and chaos in the workplace, including people with suicidal thoughts and tendencies, I agree with you. The selfishness angle perpetuates the stigma of mental health issues in our culture. It is an easy label to affix to a terrible thing.

I like that DFW excerpt. It portrays the gulf between those who suffer and those who do not well.

 

[greyhammer90]

No. It's not. It's the outcome of a person being in tremendous pain, often due to depression and/or addiction.

Reps. It's unbelievable that the selfishness angle is still around. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain. You're unable to think and cope in the way that you should.

 

[Irish4Life09]

Reps. It's unbelievable that the selfishness angle is still around. It's a chemical imbalance in your brain. You're unable to think and cope in the way that you should.

I respectfully disagree.
As someone who for a long time has dealt with depression and suicidal thoughts and come very close to fulfilling it, I feel I have a different perspective.
Yes, suicidal thoughts come from a deep, emotional place that we as a society will probably never truly understand. It can come in many different forms. For me personally when I was in middle school and high school I was constantly attacked physically and mentally by bullying, and I had to think of a reason every single day not to do it.
This brings me to my second point. My reason not to do it was because of my family. Even though I was having absolutely enormous emotional issues, I knew that if I committed this act that the repercussions would be felt through my family forever.
Now of course not everyone can think clearly going through stuff like this...but I am simply saying that it is selfish to put that kind of burden on family members.

Depression is an absolutely terrible tragedy in our world today, and it needs to be taken more seriously by more people. It is not something simple that can be brushed aside.

Not only am I sad about this due to Robin Williams being one of my all time favorite actors/comedians...from what I have heard he was a really good man. He is someone that will be truly missed. RIP Robin.

 

[irishff1014]

It's sad to hear this. Someone that was so good at making others laugh was so troubled behind that smile. Just bad for everyone.

 

[dre1919]

This f*ucking sucks on every level possible. Just. Why?

 

[woolybug25]

I respectfully disagree.
As someone who for a long time has dealt with depression and suicidal thoughts and come very close to fulfilling it, I feel I have a different perspective.
Yes, suicidal thoughts come from a deep, emotional place that we as a society will probably never truly understand. It can come in many different forms. For me personally when I was in middle school and high school I was constantly attacked physically and mentally by bullying, and I had to think of a reason every single day not to do it.
This brings me to my second point. My reason not to do it was because of my family. Even though I was having absolutely enormous emotional issues, I knew that if I committed this act that the repercussions would be felt through my family forever.
Now of course not everyone can think clearly going through stuff like this...but I am simply saying that it is selfish to put that kind of burden on family members.

Depression is an absolutely terrible tragedy in our world today, and it needs to be taken more seriously by more people. It is not something simple that can be brushed aside.

Not only am I sad about this due to Robin Williams being one of my all time favorite actors/comedians...from what I have heard he was a really good man. He is someone that will be truly missed. RIP Robin.

With all due respect, to act like you can empathize with what he was going through comes off as contrived. You obviously sympathize with him and have had issues with mental illness yourself, but no two situations are the same. There is no way for anyone to know what took place, whether an act of selfishness or simply a drunken mistake where compulse control was simply beyond his mental capacity at that moment. To claim he was selfish is to claim that he knowingly took the easy road without compassion for those he may hurt. You, nor I, can claim to know the answer to that question.

I'm glad you were able to win the fight against your demons though, my friend. Depression is one of the worst battles one can fight.

 

[BobD]

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[Grahambo]

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[gkIrish]

Hit me even harder last night when I was trying to fall asleep because Aladdin is my favorite Disney movie and Mrs. Doubtfire is my favorite childhood comedy. Robin dying sort of made me realize that at 26, I'm not a kid anymore. That concept is really sad I guess.

 

[BobD]

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[tussin]

No. It's not. It's the outcome of a person being in tremendous pain, often due to depression and/or addiction.

Sure, it's a result depression and addiction... but it's still selfish. His wife and kids have to deal with this the rest of their lives. Everyone has choices and he took the easy way out. Sounds cold, but it's the truth.

I'll also say that I have experiences with clinical depression, specifically bipolar disorder, in my immediate family. I told them the exact same thing when we were talking about depression and suicide.

I don't want to derail the thread. This will be my last post on the subject... RIP Robin Williams. Great talent.

 

[Grahambo]

Sure, it's a result depression and addiction... but it's still selfish. His wife and kids have to deal with this the rest of their lives. Everyone has choices and he took the easy way out. Sounds cold, but it's the truth.

I'll also say that I have experiences with clinical depression, specifically bipolar disorder, in my immediate family. I told them the exact same thing when we were talking about depression and suicide.

I don't want to derail the thread. This will be my last post on the subject... RIP Robin Williams. Great talent.

Factual truth..or just your truth? What scientific studies do you base this on?

 

[tussin]

Factual truth..or just your truth? What scientific studies do you base this on?

"Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God."

- Catechism of the Catholic Church

 

[Huntr]

That is just an incredibly ignorant and offensive viewpoint.

 

[ohara831]

The darkness is a terrible place. Some get out, some do not. What seems to many left behind as a selfish act is, to that person struggling with the darkness at that moment, what they see as the only manner to relieve the pain. It is profound sadness and my heart breaks for those who found themselves there and could not get out of the hole. Regardless of whether it is considered selfish or a sin or however one wishes to term it, we can still have sympathy for the person and pray that they find the peace on the other side that seemed to elude them here. Robin Williams was a genius, a super actor, and by all accounts a very generous and caring soul. I will miss him. My thoughts and prayers go out to his loved ones.

 

[koonja]

No one posting or viewing this thread can say they view life and suicice from the same perspective of someone who actually follows through with it.

The thought of suicide being the ultimate relief of pain is called thanatos. Some strange psychologists think we're unconsciously attracted to death at all times. I actually agree with that, but fortunately have never had times as dark as someone who's done this.

 

[ND NYC]

RIP Robin Williams.

what an INCREDIBLE talent he was:

standup comic (like no other-half his act was ad libbed).
oscar winning dramatic actor.
comedic actor.

if you think about it, who else has even come close to matching what he has done?

so very sad.

we lost a good one...

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

"Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God."

- Catechism of the Catholic Church

That's stupid.

 

[Buster Bluth]

RIP Robin Williams.

what an INCREDIBLE talent he was:

standup comic (like no other-half his act was ad libbed).
oscar winning dramatic actor.
comedic actor.

if you think about it, who else has even come close to matching what he has done?

so very sad.

we lost a good one...

Not that it's time to knock the man, and he was a genius, but Robin Williams was one of the biggest buyers of jokes in comedy. He'd go to a show, see a joke he thought fit him, and buy it from the guy.

Many people do that and just steal it, but Williams helped many young comics out financially.

Just saying, a lot of his stand up wasn't his per se.