Rees vs Golson/Hendrix

[notredomer23]

With all the Rees talk, I think the most logical answer is...

With all the Rees talk, I think the most logical answer is...

He is just trollin' all ND fans. Come on he loves getting us worked up and is just trollin' until the USC game when he stops and plays for real.

 

[kmoose]

Now see..........

Why can't all of the inane uniform threads get merged like this?

:idea:

 

[Ironman8]

Now see..........

Why can't all of the inane uniform threads get merged like this?

:idea:

Don't have unlimited time my friend lol. Just merge it as I see it.

 

[notredomer23]

Now see..........

Why can't all of the inane uniform threads get merged like this?

:idea:

cuz i was trollin'



poor one at that.

 

[kmoose]

Don't have unlimited time my friend lol. Just merge it as I see it.

Ah hell, you're doing just fine.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Being happy with a 15-12 comeback win against a Big East team with statistically one of the worst pass defenses in the country says about all we need to say about our fan base I guess.

How??? Vegas had us as a 3.5 point favorite. Only ND fans were saying we were going to blow this team out. Pitt is better than anyone gave them credit for. Yeah, they struggled against Maine. Guess what, Clemson struggled against Wofford (WOFFORD!!!), beating them by a mere touchdown, and yet they then went out and upset Auburn and FSU and now stand as a top 15 team in the country. Did them struggling against Wofford means they suck? Apparently not. And ND dominating 3 opponents and then struggling against Pitt does not make us a horrible team either.

In no way am I happy with how we played yesterday offensively (mainly Rees), nbut am I happy that we won? Hell effing yeah I'm happy we won! Smiled all day. I was miserable after USF and Michigan, but not yesterday. And that says NOTHING bad against me as a fan. People react differently to stuff. I personally don't see how so many of you guys can be so miserable after a win that Vegas said would go down the exact way it did, but to each his own. I'll save my misery for after losses. Life is too short and too damn good to wallow after victories...

 

[Irish52]

Qtrbk. dilemma

Qtrbk. dilemma

I don't see Crist being a factor. If Kelly is going to make a change he's going to get one of the other youngins involved, or at least he should. I appreciate Dayne's service to this team, but Kelly really has no faith in him despite what he says. You can read body language and see his lack of patience in Dayne, constantly harping on the same issues. We need a QB with running and passing ability. Having a scrambling threat to go with our playmakers w/b sick.

After Rees' performance in the first 3 qtrs. of the Pitt game, can someone please rationalize for me why Crist or Hendrix wasn't put in the game??

 

[Dizzyphil]

After Rees' performance in the first 3 qtrs. of the Pitt game, can someone please rationalize for me why Crist or Hendrix wasn't put in the game??

Because Coach Kelly decided not to.


Diz

 

[tommyIRISH23]

After Rees' performance in the first 3 qtrs. of the Pitt game, can someone please rationalize for me why Crist or Hendrix wasn't put in the game??[

Because you, and we, see the Irish play for 3 hours every Saturday from Sept-Dec, and Coach Kelly, who spends 365 days a year evaluating his team, saw something, or lack of something, in Dayne. So, he decided to pull him.

 

[jonesman]

REES = Turnovers, Turnovers, Turnovers!!!

REES = Turnovers, Turnovers, Turnovers!!!

Well, I posted a topic earlier, but it either did not load or got deleted. Here we go again. All you Rees supporters can reply and tell me your 6-1 story. I heard it from Kelly earlier today. Here is the reality, Rees may have a record of 6-1, but HE is not the reason for that record.

At USC, we won because the defense bailed him out repeatedly. The kid threw multiple BAD INT's.

In the Sun Bowl, we won because our Defense got multiple turnovers early. This allowed us a big lead. Rees actually looked pretty bad in the second half of this game. He also underthrew Floyd badly, but Mike saved him on one long pass.

In the Tulsa game, TOMMY threw the game losing pass. HORRIBLE decision. I would chalk it up to being a fresman who will learn, however he has NOT learned. He made a similar bad throw at the Michigan game and again yesterday. That is almost a season into him starting.

The trouble I have with his INT's is the fact that almost every single one is not a matter of a DB making a great play. It is totally Tommy making a TERRIBLE decision!!!! Are these decisions getting less frequent? Absolutely NOT!!! Are these decisions getting better. Absolutely NOT!!!

Even the passes he is completing at times are bad decisions. Go back and watch the pass to Eiffert for a TD yesterday. That was a bad decision. He was less than a split second from being intercepted AGAIN on a scoring drive. On another drive, he threw a pass in the flat that should have been intercepted for a pick 6.

I listened to the BK press conference today. He talked about how Tommy put together what should have been a game winning drive at UM. I challenge that with the fact that drive would not have been necessary had our QB not thrown into triple coverage trying to force Floyd the ball earlier in the game at the goal line. Had our QB not fumbled inside the 5 yard line, we would have put points on the board. Had our QB not throw another bad INT on 3rd down earlier in the game while we were driving. All those plays are on TOMMY!! I would say he left atleast 13 points on the field with bad decisions.

I am sorry folks, but ND is trying to win with a MAC level QB. I will also say we are already approaching this kids ceiling. He might show SOME improvement on decisions, however, he will never become a runner, never have a downfield arm and never thrive without Floyd.

Sorry Folks to be a downer, but our offense is going to get figured out real quick. If I am a D coordinator, I would double Floyd all day, drop 7-8 into short coverage and challenge Rees to go vertical or run. Running and Vertical passes are nothing he is capable of doing unless he can get a jump ball to Floyd.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

I'm not gonna argue with you on anything else in here, but that TD to Eifert yesterday was b-e-a-utiful. What you call a bad decision, I call a perfect pass. Sometimes qbs have to make that throw where if its a split second later it gets picked. I'm glad Rees was in on that play, cause he's the only qb on our team who has the cajones to even attempt that throw.

 

[jmurphy75]

Does the saying "beating a dead horse" mean anything, how many of these threads are there going to be?

 

[BestBIrish47]

Jonesy...the mods merged your thread into the rees..vs hendrix /gholson thread bro

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Does the saying "beating a dead horse" mean anything, how many of these threads are there going to be?

This is why I can't read this site after a game. It's like everyone feels like they have to create a new thread to make their point.

 

[mlcspinner]

Does the saying "beating a dead horse" mean anything, how many of these threads are there going to be?

this

Reese is the QB it's not going to change

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

It was either merged with one of the other QB debate threads or deleted.

I see some of your points as valid but do you not think if Kelly thought he had a better option he'd use it? Kelly knows Tommy can't run and he also knows a hell of a lot more about his possible replacements than you, I or anyonelse else on this board. He is following his plan.. greatness takes time and I trust this staff.

 

[BestBIrish47]

Because vegas knows what kind of limitations we have at qb.... I am happy we won no question.. I was at the Texas A&m Okie St game and stood up and yelled when I got the news we won. This 6-1 and a win is a win BS is going to lead us down the same path we have been on. I just think with the talent on O, and the Coach we have, we should expect more than a 2nd or 3rd place finish in the big east. Right now thats what we would be.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

I agree completely. A good D coordinator should be able to scheme easily against the offense that we have with Rees in the game. That TD catch by Eifert was literally a half second away from being terrible!

But, this topic on this board is worthless to have. You have the people who agree with you whole heartedly, and then you have the people who believe that because Kelly sticks by him, then he has to be the best guy out there.

The fact that Rees has struggled the way he has, and hasn't gotten pulled (Rees has struggled much more than what Crist struggled in the first half against USF) tells me that something else is going on.

Maybe Hendrix has sucked it up in practice and Golsen is out of the equation. But, to not go back to Crist with all of the struggles Rees has had is hypocritical. We were told before the season that Crist won the job hands down, yet the job still belongs to a kid that has performed worse? Doesn't make sense.

6-1 is completely BOGUS! He is responsible for the Tulsa loss, regardless if he didn't start. He can't claim one iota of the USC win last year. Army? ok I guess he can claim that one... Miami? The defense won that game, but he did manage the game well I suppose. USF? He came in and did well and the pick from TJ is not his fault, but he still gets just as much credit for the loss as Crist (equal time). Michigan? He deserves the credit for this loss just as much as the defense does for their end of the game collapse. Mich St.? Still committed horrendous TO's and didn't really "win" the game, but I guess he gets all the credit cause he was the starter.. Pitt? He was bailed out by Theo and by Eifert in the ONLY good drive of the game. He got lucky several occasions.

To all of the Rees apologists out there though, you are just a creation of mediocrity that ND football has forced you to become the last 2 decades. Not a chance in hell that his play would have been suffice back in the Holtz years..

 

[IrishinSyria]

It was either merged with one of the other QB debate threads or deleted.

I see some of your points as valid but do you not think if Kelly thought he had a better option he'd use it? Kelly knows Tommy can't run and he also knows a hell of a lot more about his possible replacements than you, I or anyonelse else on this board. He is following his plan.. greatness takes time and I trust this staff.

Then why name Crist the starter at the beginning of the season? Was his plan to pull the kid after one mediocre half of football?

 

[KPENN]

Oy vey

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

My freaking head is going to explode.

 

[Buster Bluth]

To all of the Rees apologists out there though, you are just a creation of mediocrity that ND football has forced you to become the last 2 decades. Not a chance in hell that his play would have been suffice back in the Holtz years..

Listen chief, Golson or Hendrix would make even more mistakes. What do you want Kelly to do? If Crist can't outshine such a bad quarterback in practice, what do you expect?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Now see..........

Why can't all of the inane uniform threads get merged like this?

:idea:

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha..... exactly.

 

[kmoose]

We were told before the season that Crist won the job hands down

We were?

The way I remember it, Kelly said all along that it was neck and neck.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Because vegas knows what kind of limitations we have at qb.... I am happy we won no question.. I was at the Texas A&m Okie St game and stood up and yelled when I got the news we won. This 6-1 and a win is a win BS is going to lead us down the same path we have been on. I just think with the talent on O, and the Coach we have, we should expect more than a 2nd or 3rd place finish in the big east. Right now thats what we would be.

We have limitations at QB. That's true. That doesn't change if Tommy gets benched.

Coming into the year, I was worried about the QB play. I still am. I THINK (don't know...just a hunch) that Tommy is going to have a big 2 weeks, at which point this conversation is moot.

Yesterday was a combination of Tommy making a series of bad throws and the offensive line regressing, IMO.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

How??? Vegas had us as a 3.5 point favorite. Only ND fans were saying we were going to blow this team out. Pitt is better than anyone gave them credit for. Yeah, they struggled against Maine. Guess what, Clemson struggled against Wofford (WOFFORD!!!), beating them by a mere touchdown, and yet they then went out and upset Auburn and FSU and now stand as a top 15 team in the country. Did them struggling against Wofford means they suck? Apparently not. And ND dominating 3 opponents and then struggling against Pitt does not make us a horrible team either.

In no way am I happy with how we played yesterday offensively (mainly Rees), nbut am I happy that we won? Hell effing yeah I'm happy we won! Smiled all day. I was miserable after USF and Michigan, but not yesterday. And that says NOTHING bad against me as a fan. People react differently to stuff. I personally don't see how so many of you guys can be so miserable after a win that Vegas said would go down the exact way it did, but to each his own. I'll save my misery for after losses. Life is too short and too damn good to wallow after victories...

I am not mad one bit. I am delighted that we won the game. That being said, having an opinion on what we (The people who think Rees needs to be benched) feel is a major problem is totally justified given the QB play we have all seen. Its a concern that will certainly cost this team wins in the future if not corrected. I don't think a single person that is being critical about yesterdays win isn't happy that we at least walked away with a "W".

As it is, a majority of this fan base has fallen into a sense of mediocrity. That is the only explanation for anybody coming to Rees's side IMO.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Listen chief, Golson or Hendrix would make even more mistakes. What do you want Kelly to do? If Crist can't outshine such a bad quarterback in practice, what do you expect?

Yet three weeks ago he was the clear cut starter? Whatever.

Like I said, this topic is worthless. There aren't any fans out there that are in the middle on this. Its either all for Rees, or all for somebody other than Rees.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

My freaking head is going to explode.

Pretty much how everyone who wants Rees benched feels about those who don't.... Brah

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Yet three weeks ago he was the clear cut starter? Whatever.

Like I said, this topic is worthless. There aren't any fans out there that are in the middle on this. Its either all for Rees, or all for somebody other than Rees.

I consider myself to be firmly in the middle on this.

From everything that Kelly said, there is a clear cut difference between Dayne/Tommy and the rest of the depth chart. He specifically cited Hendrix and Golson's major problems in practice taking care of the ball.

So...what do you do? I trust Kelly and hope that Tommy is going through the necessary growing pains of a 19 year old QB.

How is that unreasonable?

 

[kmoose]

6-1 is completely BOGUS! He is responsible for the Tulsa loss, regardless if he didn't start. ..

How do you figure that?

Rees had ND in position to kick the game winning field goal, at the end of the game. On that drive, Rees was 4/6, for 54 of the 58 yards of the drive. ND had the ball at Tulsa's 19 yard line, with one timeout left. On 3rd and 8, with 42 seconds left, Kelly called for a pass play. After the game, Kelly said that Rees had instructions: If Michael Floyd draws man coverage, chuck it up and let him go get it. What Kelly SHOULD have done is run the ball, to the center of the field, and called timeout to set up the game winning field goal. If the play gets stoned at the LOS, it's a 37 yard FG, for a guy (Ruffer) who had been money all season. Instead, Kelly instructs a true freshman, playing in what was essentially his first meaningful time, to "chuck it up" if Floyd draws man coverage. It was not a good pass, but the kid was a true freshman who had already thrown 53 passes in the game. That loss was all on Brian Kelly, NOT Tommy Rees.