Rees vs Golson/Hendrix

[tko]

damn you OMM, you always bring IE back to reality!

 

[cLaRk_JoNeS]

Great story there Mike
However if Kelly doesnt start putting in 1 of the dual threat guys, whats he gonna say to himself at start of next season? Itd be a diff story at 4-0, but Kellys main goal for the season is gone already. Still plenty of games left but i see no reason at all why Hendrix hasnt been in for a couple plays just to run an option.

Does it not seem like the o is running same play over and over? 3 wr 1 side and a te on other feels like for 80% of the plays.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Great story there Mike
However if Kelly doesnt start putting in 1 of the dual threat guys, whats he gonna say to himself at start of next season? Itd be a diff story at 4-0, but Kellys main goal for the season is gone already. Still plenty of games left but i see no reason at all why Hendrix hasnt been in for a couple plays just to run an option.

Does it not seem like the o is running same play over and over? 3 wr 1 side and a te on other feels like for 80% of the plays.

Agreed, great story OMM.

Kelly's main goal this year is not gone. Yes we are outside of the BCS picture for sure, but Coach see's longer term than that. Would a 9-3 record going to a significant non BCS bowl game be a lost season? I think not and Coach would probably think not and that is still a real possibility. I was all over Tommy yesterday, he just didn't have it. I too want to see Hendrix get a shot, albeit not to run an option, but the spread and give a running threat and a vertical threat to the offense. Unfortunately, Coach must not feel he is ready based on what he is seeing in practice. If we struggle next week (and by that I mean multiple turnovers out of Tommy) perhaps we see a change, we'll see.

As far as lining up the offense w 3 wides one side 1 on the other, that's a part of the spread. What you do out of those alignments is what's important. What we are seeing is likely a result of the limits Coach feels he can employ based on certain things (i.e. Tommy's arm strength). We aren't stretching the field vertically which takes a whole segment of the playbook away. As a result we look vanilla and predictable on many plays. Coach is trying to go w high percentage plays that will keep the chains moving and you can't fault him for that. I pray that Tommy can cure the turnover problem that has plaqued him. Go Irish.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I mentioned on another thread that Coach surveys his options and realizes that certain things are more critical than others to get smoothed out now. He has essentially told us flat that Toma didn't get snaps because he needed to give Theo all the time he could to get himself together. Theo seems smoothed out a bit and Robbie got into the game.

Kelly has a much larger problem with Tommy. Therefore, by analogy, I believe that he is weighing Tommy-learning-time vs. Andrew-learning-for-next-year-time and deciding that any saving of this season demands the former. Coach will obviously NOT tell us what he's thinking until he retires in ten years.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I just don't understand why Kelly wouldn't try out Hendrix in game situations.. is he afraid if he benches Rees that he'll lose his confidence and begin forcing balls and turning it over 3-4 times a game?.. oh wait, he already does that.. so, what is there to lose when there is a whole bunch to gain? If your goals for the season are already out the window, why continue to start the QB who has a lower ceiling than my attic when we could find out what our touted QB's on the bench have? just seems like a very one-sided debate

 

[Dizzyphil]

Great story there Mike
However if Kelly doesnt start putting in 1 of the dual threat guys, whats he gonna say to himself at start of next season? Itd be a diff story at 4-0, but Kellys main goal for the season is gone already. Still plenty of games left but i see no reason at all why Hendrix hasnt been in for a couple plays just to run an option.

Does it not seem like the o is running same play over and over? 3 wr 1 side and a te on other feels like for 80% of the plays.

That is not as easy as it sounds. You're probably looking at doing this sometime in the late 3rd or 4th quarter. Then your asking your O-line to pull and run a 25 to 30 yard sprint after playing 3 quarters of football; not to mention risking injury to one of them and so far the ONE thing we asked for that we are getting this year is everyone is still healthy.

Diz

 

[BeatSC]

freshman starting

freshman starting

I see freshman starting and being given a chance all over. The FSU QB looked good (170 lbs), the OSU QB got a chance, Even Pitt put their pint sized QB in for one series for a change of pace. Why can't we put Hendrix in there for one series for achange of pace and force our opponents D to adjust to us? HE can run and strect the D.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I heard from a friend who talked to Hendrix after the game (good friend with Hendrix as well) that Rees was one bad drive away from being pulled for him.

 

[arrowryan]

I can almost guarantee all of you that Rees wont be the starter next year. It has to be Golson. If Rees continues to do what he is doing then Golson should start the second half on Saturday. We all saw what happened when Clausen started his 3 years of college. He had an incredible junior year and he probably would've done better his senior year. I go with Golson if Rees continues to turn it over

 

[ChiefSecond]

I see freshman starting and being given a chance all over. The FSU QB looked good (170 lbs), the OSU QB got a chance, Even Pitt put their pint sized QB in for one series for a change of pace. Why can't we put Hendrix in there for one series for achange of pace and force our opponents D to adjust to us? HE can run and strect the D.

THIS

That last drive unfortunately bought him some more time...the bad part is that he'll look good the next two games against HS defenses but then he's getting picked at least four times against USC.

In all honesty i would love to see Hendrix get to work out the kinks against purdue and airforce and then throw him in the fire against USC. And if turns it over a half dozen times...well then who gives a **** because it was gonna happen anyways no matter who's under center.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I can almost guarantee all of you that Rees wont be the starter next year. It has to be Golson. If Rees continues to do what he is doing then Golson should start the second half on Saturday. We all saw what happened when Clausen started his 3 years of college. He had an incredible junior year and he probably would've done better his senior year. I go with Golson if Rees continues to turn it over

 

[Irish Insanity]

So by "stumble" you mean lead our offense to a game winning drive....

....right?

I mean 'stumble' in the big picture of things. As far as when under direct presure to win the game, HELL NO, thats why I said Ice T.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I can almost guarantee all of you that Rees wont be the starter next year. It has to be Golson. If Rees continues to do what he is doing then Golson should start the second half on Saturday. We all saw what happened when Clausen started his 3 years of college. He had an incredible junior year and he probably would've done better his senior year. I go with Golson if Rees continues to turn it over

Golston won't see the field this year.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Golston won't see the field this year.

True.

Golson might though

 

[Whiskeyjack]

An article on Kelly's Sunday presser can be found here:

"The last 10 or 15 plays were some of our base plays," Kelly said. "Early on, some of the looks for Tommy were first-time looks for him. He's a young quarterback. It takes him a little while to process a new look. We'll do a better job during week giving him loks he may see. Part of that is coaching. Just sometimes you have to go back to your basics and that's what we did."

Another area to improve will be adjusting when teams overload coverage to siphon off Michael Floyd, as Pittsburgh did Saturday. Kelly said it was nothing the Irish hadn't seen before, but he also said the offense didn't exploit the matchups offered by that overload.

"The only difference really would be for us in terms of how to get the ball to the players that are 1 on 1," Kelly said. "We had a number of 1 on 1 situatons that we didn't take advantage of. That's what we'll make certain we'll coach Tommy up on."

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I heard from a friend who talked to Hendrix after the game (good friend with Hendrix as well) that Rees was one bad drive away from being pulled for him.

If true, this in and of itself might be enough to keep Hendrix off the field. You just don't talk about this kind of thing, again if true.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If true, this in and of itself might be enough to keep Hendrix off the field. You just don't talk about this kind of thing, again if true.

I don't think this is that big of a deal. If it is I can delete my comment since I wouldn't want something not good to happen to Kelly, Rees, Hendrix, or anyone on the team.

 

[BMT]

rees vs rest

rees vs rest

People,
Quarterback play yesterday was downright scary, even on the last drive 3-4 throws could have been picked.
I dont care about the 6-1 record, throw in the USC tape last year- Tommy turnover did just about all he could to give that game away. Throw in the Michigan tape this year if not convinced. Nothing against Rees personally but he is what we thought he was 2 yrs ago, a capable backup-not a QB who is not going to engineer a BCS or championship run.

Clearly, if Kelly doesnt want Christ, let Golson take over and use the running QB otherwise we are wasting time. Since Kelly seems joined at the hip with Rees I sure hope he bounces back because the Pitt performance was pitiful, he was very close to 3-4 more ints.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

True.

Golson might though

I see what you did there. You made a joke about my typo. Clever. I'll bet this catches on on the internet.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Clearly, if Kelly doesnt want Christ, let Golson take over and use the running QB otherwise we are wasting time.

I think if Kelly was openly against Christ he'd have bigger problems on the ND campus...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I see what you did there. You made a joke about my typo. Clever. I'll bet this catches on on the internet.

(Psst...look at my next post. I did the same thing. It's pretty funny... and all in good fun. )

 

[WaveDomer]

For everyone who thinks we need to look to the future and get Golson or Hendrix in there so they are ready to play next year, a few questions.

Why do you think the season is over at 2-2?
Do you realize what a nightmare season can do to a team or QB in the long run? Is that worth it?
Do you realize how much money is at stake when you go from 9-3 to 6-6?

Young QBs can use practice time to get ready to play. There is no reason to take a talented ND team that has a chance at a good season, and put in a QB who isn't ready to play in order to get him experience for next year.

Again, either Rees is the best chance for winning or Kelly has no clue what he's doing. There aren't a lot of other choices really. None of us have access to the team like the coaches do. So I'm thinking that Rees is our best chance to win. Golson and/or Hendrix will get their chances when they are ready.

 

[tadman95]

I don't care who plays quarterback, just want someone to play it!

Crist- accuracy is an issue and if you can get his head, he's done.

Rees- turnover machine, doesn't make his progression reads very well.

Unless Hendrix and Golson both have absolutely no grasp of the offense, I don't know what we lose playing them.

More turnovers? Missed receivers? Missed unseen open receivers?

Aren't we getting that already?

 

[tko]

Golston won't see the field this year.

Golston plays defensive end for Michigan State. just kidding shamrock and i agree with you.

 

[pkt77242]

I don't care who plays quarterback, just want someone to play it!

Crist- accuracy is an issue and if you can get his head, he's done.

Rees- turnover machine, doesn't make his progression reads very well.

Unless Hendrix and Golson both have absolutely no grasp of the offense, I don't know what we lose playing them.

More turnovers? Missed receivers? Missed unseen open receivers?

Aren't we getting that already?

My guess is the more losses part. Yep, that would be it.

 

[tadman95]

Yep, 4-0. Wait.......

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Golston plays defensive end for Michigan State. just kidding shamrock and i agree with you.

Its a comedy gift that keeps on giving. EDIT - oh, just, nevermind....

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Rees- turnover machine, doesn't make his progression reads very well.

Turnovers, yes. But, IMO, he goes through progressions way more effectively than Dayne. Yesterday Tommy was rattled. But, it was the first time that I didn't think he was delivering the ball on time and generally to the right guy.

 

[enrico514]

I think we can all agree that Tommy was awefull yesterday and most likely isn't a long term option for ND at QB. The question therefore is when will one of the kids (don't care who you prefer) going to take a snap? Most likely the second BK feels like a game is in the books. Tommy is a known commodity while the kids are still unknowns... hopefully not for long or else we will be a frustrated bunch for many more weeks. Unless things change drastically there is no way Tommy is the starter next year.

 

[tadman95]

Turnovers, yes. But, IMO, he goes through progressions way more effectively than Dayne. Yesterday Tommy was rattled. But, it was the first time that I didn't think he was delivering the ball on time and generally to the right guy.

I don't disagree so much as I just think we need more from whoever it is. He was locked in on Eifert the whole way on the last TD pass and was still late delivering the ball. Rees is fast approaching the end of his rookie status, two spring camps, two fall camps, 7 starts plus serious time in a couple of more.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a coach and I trust Kelly to make the call. From the out side looking in I just don't see where Hendrix/Golson are going to make that many more mistakes than Crist and Rees.

Our offense is our weakest link, it's a team game and our QB play is limiting out potential.