QB situation

[pumpdog20]

Cool, now someone ask him about White and Finke.

Throw in Gilman.

 

[NDRock]

Would have been shocked if BK moved on from Book. I think odds are Book is the starter next season too.

Only way that happens is if PJ is a flop.

 

[Irish#1]

Only way that happens is if PJ is a flop.

Agree, I don't see Book starting next year. If PJ is a flop, this site will implode.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Only way that happens is if PJ is a flop.

And if PJ is a flop, this means Kelly sucks major butt.

You can't strike out on all of your recruits. There's only one common denominator with a sample size that large..

 

[BeatSC]

Hoping Book decide sot just chuck the rock long and let his guys run under it. Can't be worse than what he has been doing. At least Tommy would throw the ball out there and let his guys win the battle. Claypool has won everything thrown his way and if he doesn't drop the balls thrown we are good. book has got to stick to 1-2-3 rhythm passing and RPOs where he lets the ball go or heaven forbid finally keep the ball on a designed run. Phil needs to avoid tripping over his own feet next time he gets a chance.

 

[Irishman77]

There all going to flop until long and Reese are gone

 

[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

BK also said in the presser that Phil lacked in-game experience, that he had practiced a ton, but had little experience in live game action. Well, I'm not a rocket scientist man, but maybe with the way your current QB is playing you start to get your highly rated QB the in-game experience he lacks! Speaking of losing the team, guys are transferring out, and probably because of the ineptitude of the offense. You can pin that on whoever, Chip long, Ian Book, Brian Kelly, but keeping Ian Book IN THE GAME is how you lose the team imo. How many more skill position players transfer, or heaven forbid back out of their commitment to ND (Tyree, JJ, Buchner) before the necessary changes are made? I see that press conference today, and it just doesn't resonate with me like it used to, all the bs he says. At one point in time I'd have eaten up all that crap about Book being able to better, and accountability, and Chip Long being challenged, but at the end of the day all I care about is the product on the field...and it was embarrassingly bad. One day I'll actually have a defense when someone rips ND for being overrated, for never being able to win the big game, but sadly I'm almost positive it won't be in the BK era.

 

[stpeteirish]

Would have been shocked if BK moved on from Book. I think odds are Book is the starter next season too.

Not unless he really improves in the immediate future.Kelly doesn't want mediocrity any more than the fans do and he's not afraid to change QB.

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

So reading between the lines - it has to get worse before it gets better? Worse than losing to Michigan by seemingly 100? I'm a big Kelly supporter but if he digs his heels in the dirt on this one I've about had it.

 

[Huntr]

Sampson commented on his post-game podcast (where he and Fortuna fairly well ripped the performance) that if the staff thought PJ could run the show, he'd be starting by now.

Which might be true, but they'll stick with Book until it becomes untenable, like with Wimbush.

Northwestern broke Book.

 

[Irishize]

I listened to the II podcast today and they discussed QB. Set aside your dislike of Sampson or the 2 Tims b/c they’re just relaying what they’ve learned from practices & what coaches told them.

Phil struggles reading defenses. So if you want him to go in and throw go routes to Lenzy & then run RPO w/o the pass option, that’s as good as it will get & he will get killed. He’s light years behind Book in that respect.

Also in the BGSU game, they reminded us that when PJ went in he was running plays off the Dummy play card before BK called a TO & chewed his ass. I had forgotten that b/c I’ve been blinded by the LB corps & run game improving so much and just thought it was a funny anecdote that we could reflect back on when he’s the starter.

But they all 3 agreed w/ all fans and understand the frustration as to why Book won’t throw the damn ball or give up after his initial read is covered.

 

[Irish2155]

Throw in Gilman.

let's not forget about Pride as well

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

I listened to the II podcast today and they discussed QB. Set aside your dislike of Sampson or the 2 Tims b/c they’re just relaying what they’ve learned from practices & what coaches told them.

Phil struggles reading defenses. So if you want him to go in and throw go routes to Lenzy & then run RPO w/o the pass option, that’s as good as it will get & he will get killed. He’s light years behind Book in that respect.

Also in the BGSU game, they reminded us that when PJ went in he was running plays off the Dummy play card before BK called a TO & chewed his ass. I had forgotten that b/c I’ve been blinded by the LB corps & run game improving so much and just thought it was a funny anecdote that we could reflect back on when he’s the starter.

But they all 3 agreed w/ all fans and understand the frustration as to why Book won’t throw the damn ball or give up after his initial read is covered.

He's looked fine when hes been in though. Not terrible, not great. He can get the team down the field as well as Book has shown. I would guess the best way to improve reading defenses is to...play in games and read defenses? What exactly is Book doing out there? I'm not sure hes reading much beyond fleeing the pocket after 2 seconds.

 

[Luckylucci]

I listened to the II podcast today and they discussed QB. Set aside your dislike of Sampson or the 2 Tims b/c they’re just relaying what they’ve learned from practices & what coaches told them.

Phil struggles reading defenses. So if you want him to go in and throw go routes to Lenzy & then run RPO w/o the pass option, that’s as good as it will get & he will get killed. He’s light years behind Book in that respect.
Also in the BGSU game, they reminded us that when PJ went in he was running plays off the Dummy play card before BK called a TO & chewed his ass. I had forgotten that b/c I’ve been blinded by the LB corps & run game improving so much and just thought it was a funny anecdote that we could reflect back on when he’s the starter.

But they all 3 agreed w/ all fans and understand the frustration as to why Book won’t throw the damn ball or give up after his initial read is covered.

Seems a little contradictory on their part but that's kind of par for the course with them.

What good is that doing Book? What defense is Book "reading" and reacting too? What progression is Book going through that is benefiting this offense?

Our offense is seeing zero value in Book "reading" a defense because he refuses to act on what he's reading (if that's what we're saying he's doing). I'd argue that Book isn't reading anything. He's not processing information and acting on it. How is him zeroing in on his primary option to then abandon the play, any different than Jurkovec doing the same? The difference is one guy is 6'4 with a big arm and above average athleticism.

 

[Irishize]

Seems a little contradictory on their part but that's kind of par for the course with them.

What good is that doing Book? What defense is Book "reading" and reacting too? What progression is Book going through that is benefiting this offense?

Our offense is seeing zero value in Book "reading" a defense because he refuses to act on what he's reading (if that's what we're saying he's doing). I'd argue that Book isn't reading anything. He's not processing information and acting on it. How is him zeroing in on his primary option to then abandon the play, any different than Jurkovec doing the same? The difference is one guy is 6'4 with a big arm and above average athleticism.

Like I said, this wasn’t about those 3 beat writers personally, just relaying what coaches told them regarding Phil. They never said Book was ideal. You hit the nail on the head in that he may be reading the defense but he’s not reacting other than getting happy feet & bailing out. He doesn’t see the other 3 receivers coming open b/c he’s looking down and abandoning the play. He showed the ability to read defenses in the Citrus Bowl & his first five games in 2018. After that, it’s been hit & miss to downright pathetic.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Like I said, this wasn’t about those 3 beat writers personally, just relaying what coaches told them regarding Phil. They never said Book was ideal. You hit the nail on the head in that he may be reading the defense but he’s not reacting other than getting happy feet & bailing out. He doesn’t see the other 3 receivers coming open b/c he’s looking down and abandoning the play. He showed the ability to read defenses in the Citrus Bowl & his first five games in 2018. After that, it’s been hit & miss to downright pathetic.

How does a player go from being very efficient, reading coverages, and all of that to this? I just don't understand. People keep saying the injury last year broke him but I remember him playing very well in the Syracuse game. The USC game was his first game he didn't play his best but still was clutch at the end. What happened to make him so terrible? Because he really wasn't terrible before USC last year. He didn't have a big arm but that didn't seem to matter.

 

[IrishLax]

I listened to the II podcast today and they discussed QB. Set aside your dislike of Sampson or the 2 Tims b/c they’re just relaying what they’ve learned from practices & what coaches told them.

Phil struggles reading defenses. So if you want him to go in and throw go routes to Lenzy & then run RPO w/o the pass option, that’s as good as it will get & he will get killed. He’s light years behind Book in that respect.

Also in the BGSU game, they reminded us that when PJ went in he was running plays off the Dummy play card before BK called a TO & chewed his ass. I had forgotten that b/c I’ve been blinded by the LB corps & run game improving so much and just thought it was a funny anecdote that we could reflect back on when he’s the starter.

But they all 3 agreed w/ all fans and understand the frustration as to why Book won’t throw the damn ball or give up after his initial read is covered.

This is just such a fucking joke. I know you're just the messenger, and I appreciate you posting this. But the idea that Book can "read defenses" is a total lie. The dude refuses to see and/or throw to guys that are often wide open. He *never* throws on time for anything that isn't a short pass to one side of the field.

 

[NDinMI]

So none of our QB’s can read defenses. Sweet. It’s been an issue with basically every QB outside of Rees and he didn’t get much better at it after his Frosh year. He came in with most of those smarts. That’s a big coaching problem. How you can’t fix that in 10 years is a joke. Besides a few games here and there all ND does is beat crap/avg teams and lose to ranked teams.

 

[brewdog_14527]

I think that Book will start. But I hope that Phil gets a series or 2 in the first half, when the game is in question. Let him play in something other than garbage time. Kelly said in his presser that Phil is improving, but that is in practice and he has not had many game reps. Only one way to fix that....

 

[WilliamWallace]

You know after every embarrassing loss we get the typical Kelly BS. How close we are, not as big a gap as we thought, we didn’t play with toughness, and on, and on. When do the excuses stop? He’s admitted his faults and still can’t correct the problems. I think it’s because he either can’t, or is unwilling. I’d bet it’s the ladder, and only because he truly thinks there’s no real issue. I’d also be willing to bet that Chip Long is doing what he can with what he’s allowed. Kelly is not a motivator, he does not have the passion that’s needed to get the kids up week in and out. He’s never excited me with his pregame speeches. I’m simply saying that Kelly is the problem with ND football. I’m also saying that BK is the problem with our QB situation. Not one has excelled under him. We have the prototypical QB sitting in the wings waiting to be the next failure.

 

[WilliamWallace]

I’m sure most of that belongs in another thread.

 

[Irish#1]

He's looked fine when hes been in though. Not terrible, not great. He can get the team down the field as well as Book has shown. I would guess the best way to improve reading defenses is to...play in games and read defenses? What exactly is Book doing out there? I'm not sure hes reading much beyond fleeing the pocket after 2 seconds.

He didn't look very good against scUM, but I agree, he needs to see the field more. You can't simulate live game action in practice.

Books problem is mental IMO. When he took over last year, the team was struggling to move the ball. He came in as the replacement, so there wasn't the expectations or pressure of being the starter. Here comes the CFP game and the pressure is real as is this year. The expectations for him are much higher and he knows it.

 

[Jerry]

So none of our QB’s can read defenses. Sweet. It’s been an issue with basically every QB outside of Rees and he didn’t get much better at it after his Frosh year. He came in with most of those smarts. That’s a big coaching problem. How you can’t fix that in 10 years is a joke. Besides a few games here and there all ND does is beat crap/avg teams and lose to ranked teams.

Yeah why do other schools seem to have no problem starting Freshman or first time players and have them hit the ground running but at ND it’s this very complicated process that no QB has really been able to figure out? It’s without a doubt the coaching and lack of development/teaching.

At this point I can’t imagine a 5 star QB wanting anything to do with ND.

 

[OhioIrish31]

This is just such a fucking joke. I know you're just the messenger, and I appreciate you posting this. But the idea that Book can "read defenses" is a total lie. The dude refuses to see and/or throw to guys that are often wide open. He *never* throws on time for anything that isn't a short pass to one side of the field.

OK...this post nails it. He doesn't trust himself. The next time he reads the defense will be his first time. Guys are open ALL the time. We don't have crazy receivers who get sick separation...but they get open. And if you know what is going on defensively you should be able to hit them. My biggest issue with Book is that he is scared shitless back there. The next time he steps up with authority and delivers a bullet even though he is going to be drilled...………..will be the first time!!! I'm so convinced that the dude is ruined. Doesn't make him a coward...just makes him useless when you need him the most. Still a great guy. Let's see if Phil is a little less shell-shocked. Though our biggest games are behind us.

 

[loomis41973]

Time for a change at QB. Book cannot read a defense or see the field or throw deep and it's only gotten worse. MANY open receivers in that chitshow at Um and he didn't find a single one. Time to get PJ some experience because Book is NOT the answer.

 

[D-BOE34]

QB Situation: Book won't read the field in the pocket in 2019. Book led us to the playoff in 2018. Book will be back in 2020. Book is our best QB.

What's this thread about? Oh, change to PJ who has proven nothing. By nothing I mean he hasn't, at minimum, proven he can lead a team to the playoff. Great idea.

 

[Irish#1]

OK...this post nails it. He doesn't trust himself. The next time he reads the defense will be his first time. Guys are open ALL the time. We don't have crazy receivers who get sick separation...but they get open. And if you know what is going on defensively you should be able to hit them. My biggest issue with Book is that he is scared shitless back there. The next time he steps up with authority and delivers a bullet even though he is going to be drilled...………..will be the first time!!! I'm so convinced that the dude is ruined. Doesn't make him a coward...just makes him useless when you need him the most. Still a great guy. Let's see if Phil is a little less shell-shocked. Though our biggest games are behind us.

That's what I meant about the mental piece. He just doesn't have it. People typically don't change their personality, so if he was going to become better from a mental aspect we would have seen some of that by now.

 

[SoIll]

For the record..

You heard it here first.

Brendon Clark is the QB under center in Dublin next year.

 

[calvegas04]

For the record..

You heard it here first.

Brendon Clark is the QB under center in Dublin next year.

Thought he looked good in the reps he has had

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

For the record..

You heard it here first.

Brendon Clark is the QB under center in Dublin next year.

If so there will only be 2 scholarship quarterbacks on the roster and one will be a true freshman.