QB situation

[Some Irish Bloke]

For the record..

You heard it here first.

Brendon Clark is the QB under center in Dublin next year.

I say no way in effin hell that happens, but you're entitled to your opinion and can call your shot.

He hasn't played against anyone other than UNM and BGSU. Let's take a chill pill on how good Clark has looked.

 

[calvegas04]

I say no way in effin hell that happens, but you're entitled to your opinion and can call your shot.

He hasn't played against anyone other than UNM and BGSU. Let's take a chill pill on how good Clark has looked.

But what if he has looked better than PJ in the limited reps?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

But what if he has looked better than PJ in the limited reps?

BK said PJ was playing banged up against UNM and took too many hits, so they yanked him.

That ball that Brendon threw to Lenzy on the screen was off target and he had to elevate to get it, and he made a great run after the catch to score. Hardly a fantastic rep.

I'm not knocking the kid, I'm just saying we haven't had a ton to look at with Phil either, and it's a little early to jump him to get to Clark, IMO.

Plus as previously mentioned, is BK going to rock the boat that drastically? PJ would surely transfer and Book is going to likely transfer at any sight of a QB competition before the season starts.

Then, we are two unfortunate plays away from our 2020 version of Montgomery VanGorder taking snaps on Saturday. Clark and Pyne would be the only two scolly QBs on the roster.

 

[RDU Irish]

If Clarke doesn't turn the ball over he wins the job. Even if that means tucking and turtling for a 4 yard loss on every snap. As long as he doesn't turn it over CBK will give him preference.

 

[Irishize]

QB Situation: Book won't read the field in the pocket in 2019. Book led us to the playoff in 2018. Book will be back in 2020. Book is our best QB.

What's this thread about? Oh, change to PJ who has proven nothing. By nothing I mean he hasn't, at minimum, proven he can lead a team to the playoff. Great idea.

Like it or not, the case can & likely will be made that the staff isn’t holding Book to the same standard that they held Wimbush to in 2017-2018. Book had not proven anything in his one start vs UNC or his backup duties vs Miami. He finally figured it out in the Citrus Bowl when he was called on to relieve an ineffective Wimbush. After two games of ineffectiveness after the scUM win last year, Book earned the spot for good.

Now fast forward & Book has more starts than Wimbush. He’s also performed slightly worse vs P5 opponents. So I’m not saying Wimbush should’ve stay, but I am saying Book is getting a longer leash w/ worse performances that don’t look to get better. At least start giving PJ some series like they did Book in 2017 so if/when ND can’t win w/ Book throwing shallow crossing routes & back shoulder fades w/ little success, they’ll have at least gotten PJ some first team reps.

 

[SoIll]

BK said PJ was playing banged up against UNM and took too many hits, so they yanked him.

That ball that Brendon threw to Lenzy on the screen was off target and he had to elevate to get it, and he made a great run after the catch to score. Hardly a fantastic rep.

I'm not knocking the kid, I'm just saying we haven't had a ton to look at with Phil either, and it's a little early to jump him to get to Clark, IMO.

Plus as previously mentioned, is BK going to rock the boat that drastically? PJ would surely transfer and Book is going to likely transfer at any sight of a QB competition before the season starts.

Then, we are two unfortunate plays away from our 2020 version of Montgomery VanGorder taking snaps on Saturday. Clark and Pyne would be the only two scolly QBs on the roster.

Book won't be here regardless..

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

"bUt pHil cANt rEad DeFEnseS" - Beat writers.

Well, Ian can't read offenses, apparently.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

If it takes us losing to VT this week for Kelly to realize Book isn't the answer then I'm all for it. At some point you gotta look at the team next year and if Book isn't the best option to lead us to a Championship then why would he still be our QB this year?

 

[tko]

If it takes us losing to VT this week for Kelly to realize Book isn't the answer then I'm all for it. At some point you gotta look at the team next year and if Book isn't the best option to lead us to a Championship then why would he still be our QB this year?

No, you don't lose to VT. You go out and redeem yourself and you take Bud Foster's PBJ's out of that goddamn lunch pail

 

[calvegas04]

If it takes us losing to VT this week for Kelly to realize Book isn't the answer then I'm all for it. At some point you gotta look at the team next year and if Book isn't the best option to lead us to a Championship then why would he still be our QB this year?

So tell the seniors "We are gonna work on next year, but thanks for coming to ND" ?

 

[ThePiombino]

Book won't be here regardless..

Odds are he's QB1 on 8/29 next year.

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[Irishman77]

Kelly will continue to find reasons to not start the best players. Instead of changing scheme or simplifying he benches players until he breaks them of their natural ability and forces them to suck in his shittty game plan.

Kelly will win a lot of games this way against the nobodies, but never win a big game

 

[SoIll]

Odds are he's QB1 on 8/29 next year.

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I'll take that bet, my friend.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'll take that bet, my friend.

Sorry if I missed it, but who do you think is going to be QB1 to start the season?

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[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

Kelly will continue to find reasons to not start the best players. Instead of changing scheme or simplifying he benches players until he breaks them of their natural ability and forces them to suck in his shittty game plan.

Kelly will win a lot of games this way against the nobodies, but never win a big game

Exactly. It's all fun and games when you're running the score up on the bottom feeders. It masks a ton of deficiencies. Book is not a good QB, as it currently stands, he has negatively regressed. As far as BK's gameplan, how long has it been since we went into a major game and said "Man, that was legit. BK firmly outcoached -insert good coach-" because I'm really struggling to find one scenario that played out that way. And sure, it's easy to say that he's hamstrung with a bad QB, but someone has to take accountability for that, whether it's the scheme being too complex or physical limitations, or some combo of the two.

 

[NDMontana]

And if PJ is a flop, this means Kelly sucks major butt.

You can't strike out on all of your recruits. There's only one common denominator with a sample size that large..

Just posted that the other day. He's had the following 4* QB recruits: Golson, Zaire, Kizer, Wimbush and 5* Jurkovec. And in five of his ten years he's started two guys who didn't come in on scholarship: Rees and Book.

Recruiting is hit and miss, especially when you get below 5*, but the majority of 4* turn out to be very good players. Let's assume even a 50% hit rate. He's had 4* and one of them had one good season (Kizer).

 

[317Irish]

Just posted that the other day. He's had the following 4* QB recruits: Golson, Zaire, Kizer, Wimbush and 5* Jurkovec. And in five of his ten years he's started two guys who didn't come in on scholarship: Rees and Book.

Recruiting is hit and miss, especially when you get below 5*, but the majority of 4* turn out to be very good players. Let's assume even a 50% hit rate. He's had 4* and one of them had one good season (Kizer).

Semantics maybe, but I’m not quite sure what you mean by guys that didn’t come in on scholarship?

 

[ThePiombino]

Just posted that the other day. He's had the following 4* QB recruits: Golson, Zaire, Kizer, Wimbush and 5* Jurkovec. And in five of his ten years he's started two guys who didn't come in on scholarship: Rees and Book.



Recruiting is hit and miss, especially when you get below 5*, but the majority of 4* turn out to be very good players. Let's assume even a 50% hit rate. He's had 4* and one of them had one good season (Kizer).

Rees and Book were both on scholarship though...?

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[NDRock]

Just posted that the other day. He's had the following 4* QB recruits: Golson, Zaire, Kizer, Wimbush and 5* Jurkovec. And in five of his ten years he's started two guys who didn't come in on scholarship: Rees and Book.

Recruiting is hit and miss, especially when you get below 5*, but the majority of 4* turn out to be very good players. Let's assume even a 50% hit rate. He's had 4* and one of them had one good season (Kizer).

I know the 5* Phil nickname is fun, but it's not accurate. Kelly's QB recruits since 2010:

Gunner Kiel - 5* 26th overall
Brandon Wimbush - 4* 46th overall
Phil Jurkovich - 4* 83rd overall
Malik Zaire - 4* 162nd overall
Deshon Kizer - 4* 242nd overall
Avery Davis - 4* 246nd overall
Andrew Hendrix - 4* 284th overall
Everett Golson - 3* 267th overall
Tommy Rees - 3* 421st overall
Ian Book - 3* 517th overall
Brandon Clark - 3* 521st overall

Courtesy of 247

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Just posted that the other day. He's had the following 4* QB recruits: Golson, Zaire, Kizer, Wimbush and 5* Jurkovec. And in five of his ten years he's started two guys who didn't come in on scholarship: Rees and Book.



Recruiting is hit and miss, especially when you get below 5*, but the majority of 4* turn out to be very good players. Let's assume even a 50% hit rate. He's had 4* and one of them had one good season (Kizer).

Golson was a 3* not a 4*.

And Book and Reese were both brought in on scholarships.


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[Irishbounty28]

The QB ratings show me Kelly puts more emphasis on football knowledge when choosing a starter because they are less risky. Typically, those lower rated players have been successful based on their knowledge of the game rather than their physical gifts. The 4* players recruited are guys that can possibly evolve with proper coaching because of the tangible qualities they possess. He needs to be less risk averse when choosing a QB.

 

[calvegas04]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” Let’s ride, 12. <a href="https://t.co/aWk3hEdbAv">pic.twitter.com/aWk3hEdbAv</a></p>— Chase Claypool (@ChaseClaypool) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChaseClaypool/status/1189705115021787136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NDRock]

The QB ratings show me Kelly puts more emphasis on football knowledge when choosing a starter because they are less risky. Typically, those lower rated players have been successful based on their knowledge of the game rather than their physical gifts. The 4* players recruited are guys that can possibly evolve with proper coaching because of the tangible qualities they possess. He needs to be less risk averse when choosing a QB.

Or he gets too complex and asks too much of the position. Like BVG did on defense to the point where only Schmidt could play MLB. I like the philosophy in college where you keep it simpler and let your playmakers play fast.

Might be why the QBs always regress, they put more and more on them to the point they are no longer playing "loose"

 

[Irishbounty28]

Or he gets too complex and asks too much of the position. Like BVG did on defense to the point where only Schmidt could play MLB. I like the philosophy in college where you keep it simpler and let your playmakers play fast.

Might be why the QBs always regress, they put more and more on them to the point they are no longer playing "loose"

Maybe. It seems all regress but it could also be because the quarterbacks with limitations are playing. I’m sure Book knows where he needs to go with the ball, but struggles with the confidence to get it there because of his limitations. This is why I think he seems to be a tad late consistently because he hesitates. Kelly seems to always side with the safe choice, when a higher ceiling guy could provide lightning in a bottle.

 

[NDRock]

Maybe. It seems all regress but it could also be because the quarterbacks with limitations are playing. I’m sure Book knows where he needs to go with the ball, but struggles with the confidence to get it there because of his limitations. This is why I think he seems to be a tad late consistently because he hesitates. Kelly seems to always side with the safe choice, when a higher ceiling guy could provide lightning in a bottle.

Whatever it is, it ain't working.

 

[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

Is it any wonder that they can't compete against teams with similar talent levels? Ian Book was a 3*, and it wasn't by mistake lol, the recruiting services may have been a little too generous with that 3rd star (kidding). Look at other teams in competition for the CFP:

Bama- Tua Tagavailoa (32nd Overall, 5*)
Clemson- Trevor Lawrence (1st, 5* .9999 rating)
Ohio State- Justin Fields (2nd, 5* .9998 rating)
LSU- Joe Burrow (288th, 4*)

It doesn't take a ridiculously high rated player to get the job done, but it definitely doesn't hurt. Guys like Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, and Justin Herbert were all lower rated guys and are good/great QBs, the fact that ND hasn't really had a guy that has either A) Lived up to the hype or B) Greatly outplayed his recruiting ranking, leads me to believe that it's on the coaches. I mean, outside of DeShone Kizer it's been a dumpster fire for the most part. I guess if you wanna look at it from a glass half full perspective, BK has still had good success in spite of the bad QB play. Hopefully Jurkovic, Pyne, or Buchner is the answer, idk.

 

[Bluto]

Move Davis back to QB.

Dude know the ins and outs of just about every position on both sides of the ball at this point. Should know all the route trees and defensive schemes...

 

[Irishize]

Tweeted by Claypool:

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” Let’s ride, 12.

 

[Irish#1]

Telling all the Book haters to take a flying leap.

 

[greyhammer90]

Telling all the Book haters to take a flying leap.

That's a great teammate move, and exactly what he should do as a player on the team.



Doesn't mean Book shouldn't sit though...