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This is the basement so I'm assuming there is no subfloor other than the concrete slab. You can see in my first picture that the tiny room with the sump pump is just concrete slab floor. It looks like the tile is not much higher than the slab.

I'm no floor tile expert though, so I'll defer to you guys as to whether I should expect a subfloor under it?
I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't something besides the slab under the tile, b ut they may have tiled directly onto the slab. Concrete isn't going to be perfectly level and there's going to be a certain amount of moisture and temperature variation which all could lead to cracks in the tile or the tile coming loose if there isn't something between the tile and slab. Given it's a slab, you may find a vapor barrier.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't something besides the slab under the tile, b ut they may have tiled directly onto the slab. Concrete isn't going to be perfectly level and there's going to be a certain amount of moisture and temperature variation which all could lead to cracks in the tile or the tile coming loose if there isn't something between the tile and slab. Given it's a slab, you may find a vapor barrier.
Ah that makes sense. Thanks!
 

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Any electricians here?

In the process of buying a home. During inspection we noticed there was one breaker turned off that was labeled smoke detectors.

Obviously interesting that you would have that turned off so we put on our response post inspection to have electrician confirm no issues.

They replied to us that the batteries in the smoke detectors were dead and they got tired of listening to the beeping so they killed the breaker to them and are confident there were no electric issues, they would replace the batteries and all is well.

Today while we were walking through the house again for other reasons we noticed multiple smoke detectors are beeping and the circuit has been turned back on. When inquired they stated they couldnt reach those smoke detectors and will be finding a friend with a ladder to replace the batteries, but refuse to have an electrician come out to inspect.

Am I dealing with pure laziness or should we continue to insist on electricians inspection?
 

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Any electricians here?

In the process of buying a home. During inspection we noticed there was one breaker turned off that was labeled smoke detectors.

Obviously interesting that you would have that turned off so we put on our response post inspection to have electrician confirm no issues.

They replied to us that the batteries in the smoke detectors were dead and they got tired of listening to the beeping so they killed the breaker to them and are confident there were no electric issues, they would replace the batteries and all is well.

Today while we were walking through the house again for other reasons we noticed multiple smoke detectors are beeping and the circuit has been turned back on. When inquired they stated they couldnt reach those smoke detectors and will be finding a friend with a ladder to replace the batteries, but refuse to have an electrician come out to inspect.

Am I dealing with pure laziness or should we continue to insist on electricians inspection?

Not an electrician but I have been around a lot shitting work. They keep making excuses which is a huge red flag to me. I am
Kinda surprised the reality company hadn’t checked that yet.
 

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Any electricians here?

In the process of buying a home. During inspection we noticed there was one breaker turned off that was labeled smoke detectors.

Obviously interesting that you would have that turned off so we put on our response post inspection to have electrician confirm no issues.

They replied to us that the batteries in the smoke detectors were dead and they got tired of listening to the beeping so they killed the breaker to them and are confident there were no electric issues, they would replace the batteries and all is well.

Today while we were walking through the house again for other reasons we noticed multiple smoke detectors are beeping and the circuit has been turned back on. When inquired they stated they couldnt reach those smoke detectors and will be finding a friend with a ladder to replace the batteries, but refuse to have an electrician come out to inspect.

Am I dealing with pure laziness or should we continue to insist on electricians inspection?
I’d say they are telling the truth. Probably not an electrical issue. Does it appear power is going to every detector? Detectors typically have a 10 year life cycle before needing to be replaced. Sometimes replacing batteries doesn’t fix the problem. I would ask for the smoke detectors be in good working order before closing.
 

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I’d say they are telling the truth. Probably not an electrical issue. Does it appear power is going to every detector? Detectors typically have a 10 year life cycle before needing to be replaced. Sometimes replacing batteries doesn’t fix the problem. I would ask for the smoke detectors be in good working order before closing.
we just received their formal response and it states, "smoke detectors are in working order. several of the batteries needed to be replaced".

Since we know they didnt replace all the batteries its a bit hard to believe.
 

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Any electricians here?

In the process of buying a home. During inspection we noticed there was one breaker turned off that was labeled smoke detectors.

Obviously interesting that you would have that turned off so we put on our response post inspection to have electrician confirm no issues.

They replied to us that the batteries in the smoke detectors were dead and they got tired of listening to the beeping so they killed the breaker to them and are confident there were no electric issues, they would replace the batteries and all is well.

Today while we were walking through the house again for other reasons we noticed multiple smoke detectors are beeping and the circuit has been turned back on. When inquired they stated they couldnt reach those smoke detectors and will be finding a friend with a ladder to replace the batteries, but refuse to have an electrician come out to inspect.

Am I dealing with pure laziness or should we continue to insist on electricians inspection?

At the very least I wouldn't do anything until the batteries are replaced and you confirm there's no more beeping with the breaker on. It could be that some of the detectors are just old. After 10 years I've had some that will beep because they've exhausted their use.
 

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we just received their formal response and it states, "smoke detectors are in working order. several of the batteries needed to be replaced".

Since we know they didnt replace all the batteries its a bit hard to believe.
Obviously they are not in working order if you need to shut the breaker to keep from losing your mind. I’d still lean towards laziness in replacing the batteries or a bad (or multiple) detector, than any electrical problem. Keep us posted.
 

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Is there still that BS "due diligence" money going on or can you walk with no loss of money? If DD$ is in play, they probably are going to call your bluff on the detectors. Go ahead and walk away over a couple of 9V batteries, I'll keep your X thousand dollars due diligence money and wait for a looser buyer.

If not, reduce your price by the cost of replacing every detector in the house - wiring sounds fine, IMO at worst you need to replace all of the detectors plus a couple hundred bucks for an electrician. Cost of being so damn lazy you won't put batteries in smoke detectors to the seller. I would hope you can swap out detectors yourself, not a complex electrical job. If they are old you will want a few to be dual carbon monoxide/smoke detectors anyway.

Most importantly - I think you are in the clear of any major wiring problem from what you are describing. A couple hundred dollars of new detectors shouldn't derail a home purchase and is exactly the type of thing DD money neutralizes. If they won't change batteries you can bet they have neglected all kinds of other common sense stuff if they have been there for any length of time so plan accordingly.
 

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The batteries are a back up in case of failure of the hard wired system. Sensors may need to be replaced due to expiration.
 

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Former licensed home inspector and current 20 year commercial construction project manager here (Purdue Construction Management 😎)

A lot of sound advice already here, I’ve got a couple other thoughts to add -

These homeowners sound like absolute idiots. Who shuts off all their smoke detectors and leaves them that way over some dead batteries when they are in the process of selling their house, not to mention, the serious safety risk to your family? I would scrutinize everything they tell you, they don’t sound very trustworthy.

Did your inspector word the report that a licensed electrician should investigate this (he should have)? A lot of people will try to get away with “doing stuff themselves” when selling a home to save money, but the major components of the home (electrical, plumbing, hvac, structural, etc) should only be addressed by qualified/licensed professionals, and the seller should be providing receipts showing that they have paid someone to do the work. Don’t let them just say they took care of something like this themselves if there is documentation that a professional should be doing it.

This may not be a big deal at all, and these sellers may just be knuckleheads, but don’t be afraid to walk away. You can always find a better house. Trust your gut. Also, don’t be afraid to get another opinion from an unbiased realtor or home inspector.
 

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Obviously they are not in working order if you need to shut the breaker to keep from losing your mind. I’d still lean towards laziness in replacing the batteries or a bad (or multiple) detector, than any electrical problem. Keep us posted.
TBH, I've never seen a house where the detectors were wired to their own circuit. I'm with RDU and NDBoiler. I wouldn't touch the house unless an electrical inspection was done first. The biggest red flag is they haven't replaced the batteries. They might be lazy, but we know it's not hard to replace the batteries.
 

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Walking away from a house you really want because of some smoke detectors seems over kill. If you're in love with the house and your inspector didn't find anything else, I'd just replace the smoke detectors.
 

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Walking away from a house you really want because of some smoke detectors seems over kill. If you're in love with the house and your inspector didn't find anything else, I'd just replace the smoke detectors.
I agree as long as an electrician finds it is only the detectors.
 

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Due diligence money greatly influences how I would handle this. For example, walking away from $10k DD over smoke detectors is crazy. If there is no DD$ - I would have serious concerns about the stupidity of the previous owners and expect a high volume of duct tape and bailing wire "fixes" in every nook and cranny of the house.

DD$ leads to some stubborn sellers - "WTF do I care, walk away and I'll keep your money and move on to a more desperate buyer." That is why I think DD$ should influence how you interpret the laziness/stupidity of the seller. I have a take it or leave it approach to selling - I'm not making this house perfect for you, it is a used structure. I also prefer to fix something myself rather than expect a seller who DGAF to do it right.
 

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Due diligence money greatly influences how I would handle this. For example, walking away from $10k DD over smoke detectors is crazy. If there is no DD$ - I would have serious concerns about the stupidity of the previous owners and expect a high volume of duct tape and bailing wire "fixes" in every nook and cranny of the house.

DD$ leads to some stubborn sellers - "WTF do I care, walk away and I'll keep your money and move on to a more desperate buyer." That is why I think DD$ should influence how you interpret the laziness/stupidity of the seller. I have a take it or leave it approach to selling - I'm not making this house perfect for you, it is a used structure. I also prefer to fix something myself rather than expect a seller who DGAF to do it right.
I think this is giving their stupidity too much credit.

we did have some earnest money down and while I would hate to let it go or enter arbitration for it, its not something I wouldn't be willing to lose to move on if I felt it was worth the headaches saved.

@NDBoiler - the inspector did write it up as such and we requested it. Obviously owners dont have to anything or everything due to inspection requests. They have chose to not have an electrician review. We did confirm last night after they finally replaced the batteries that the beeping has stopped and the breaker is not tripped (for now).

These folks are not bright and very incapable of performing their own fixes (even half assed ones).

We plan to have a few things evaluated on our own dime here before close.
 

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That Elk pic belongs on a Metal cover album or something. Daaaamn. That thing has to smell so bad, and I can't imagine having to stare into the eyes of a dead foe for the rest of my life.
Well, at least for the season until it sheds it antlers.
 

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Well, at least for the season until it sheds it antlers.
Good point, but do they usually have to rub them up against trees to wear them down and break them off? I wonder if the other elk's head will make that more difficult.

[EDIT] Well, you can tell I'm no hunter. Just saw it's the drop in testosterone after mating season that causes the connection to sever from the pedicle and the antlers, the calcium gets reabsorbed. That's some interesting shit, I would have never guessed.
 

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Good point, but do they usually have to rub them up against trees to wear them down and break them off? I wonder if the other elk's head will make that more difficult.

[EDIT] Well, you can tell I'm no hunter. Just saw it's the drop in testosterone after mating season that causes the connection to sever from the pedicle and the antlers, the calcium gets reabsorbed. That's some interesting shit, I would have never guessed.
Right, it doesn't take much after a certain point to lose them. I've seen them just shaking their head slightly is enough. That carcass probably makes it happen faster.
 

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Has anyone ever had the joy of trying to eliminate the delightful aroma of cat urine? Long story short, my mother’s ex-tenant was a cat lady, and she left the house smelling worse than Florida State's offense. The place has Pergo floors, and I'm pretty the piss parties were concentrated on the floors, but I'm betting the baseboards and walls got some love too. Truly sickening.

I’m planning to prime the walls with odor-blocking primer before painting, but the thought of ripping up and replacing the floors makes me want to play in traffic. Has anyone ever had success using an ozone machine to eliminate pet odor? I’ve already gone down the internet rabbit hole, but the reviews are all over the place.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated
 

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Has anyone ever had the joy of trying to eliminate the delightful aroma of cat urine? Long story short, my mother’s ex-tenant was a cat lady, and she left the house smelling worse than Florida State's offense. The place has Pergo floors, and I'm pretty the piss parties were concentrated on the floors, but I'm betting the baseboards and walls got some love too. Truly sickening.

I’m planning to prime the walls with odor-blocking primer before painting, but the thought of ripping up and replacing the floors makes me want to play in traffic. Has anyone ever had success using an ozone machine to eliminate pet odor? I’ve already gone down the internet rabbit hole, but the reviews are all over the place.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Hardwood/laminate floors and the smell remains? I'd hit it with Bleach water, then try painting the walls as you were planning. If the smell remains...burn it with fire. I wish you godspeed.
 

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Has anyone ever had the joy of trying to eliminate the delightful aroma of cat urine? Long story short, my mother’s ex-tenant was a cat lady, and she left the house smelling worse than Florida State's offense. The place has Pergo floors, and I'm pretty the piss parties were concentrated on the floors, but I'm betting the baseboards and walls got some love too. Truly sickening.

I’m planning to prime the walls with odor-blocking primer before painting, but the thought of ripping up and replacing the floors makes me want to play in traffic. Has anyone ever had success using an ozone machine to eliminate pet odor? I’ve already gone down the internet rabbit hole, but the reviews are all over the place.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated


@koonja thoughts?
 

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Has anyone ever had the joy of trying to eliminate the delightful aroma of cat urine? Long story short, my mother’s ex-tenant was a cat lady, and she left the house smelling worse than Florida State's offense. The place has Pergo floors, and I'm pretty the piss parties were concentrated on the floors, but I'm betting the baseboards and walls got some love too. Truly sickening.

I’m planning to prime the walls with odor-blocking primer before painting, but the thought of ripping up and replacing the floors makes me want to play in traffic. Has anyone ever had success using an ozone machine to eliminate pet odor? I’ve already gone down the internet rabbit hole, but the reviews are all over the place.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated
I've been told you'll never get the smell to go away until you replace the baseboards. My grandparents had a cat lose it's mind and it completely destroyed the floors on the main level. Had to rip out baseboard and replace before working on finishes. But, if that's not in the budget or timeline, try multiple applications of whatever recommendations you can find. Wood is hygroscopic so if you flood it with enough liquid cleaner, in theory it should soak in and neutralize some/all of the smell
 

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Has anyone ever had the joy of trying to eliminate the delightful aroma of cat urine? Long story short, my mother’s ex-tenant was a cat lady, and she left the house smelling worse than Florida State's offense. The place has Pergo floors, and I'm pretty the piss parties were concentrated on the floors, but I'm betting the baseboards and walls got some love too. Truly sickening.

I’m planning to prime the walls with odor-blocking primer before painting, but the thought of ripping up and replacing the floors makes me want to play in traffic. Has anyone ever had success using an ozone machine to eliminate pet odor? I’ve already gone down the internet rabbit hole, but the reviews are all over the place.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated
My sons are in the restoration business. They deal mostly in commercial accounts but have experience in residential.

Speaking to them, the ozone will only be a temporary fix if you leave the floor in. You’re right to prime the walls before painting as you’re essentially encapsulating the odor preventing it from escaping. For the baseboards and floors they said the only way to deal with that and be 100% satisfied is to replace as the Pergo floor will retain some residual odor. They said you could encapsulate the floor by priming and painting but don’t recommend going that route.
 
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