Presidential Election 2024

[ulukinatme]

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Guys tired of winning yet?

She served as the 25th administrator of the Small Business Administration from 2017 to 2019 so she has experience working in the government. Seems pretty savvy after reading this article.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/19/linda-mcmahon-trump-education-secretary-pick-00188507

She also served on the Connecticut Board of Education, and she was certified to teach when she graduated college. She's arguably more qualified than DeVos was, so why get the panties in a bunch?

On a related note, I saw on Twitter earlier that the mayor of Knox County, Glenn Jacobs (Formerly Kane of WWE) congratulated Linda on the nomination. Someone in the comments replied "Bruh, you electrocuted the nuts of the Secretary of Education's son!"

 

[GATTACA!]

She's arguably more qualified than DeVos

Talk about a low bar lol.

On a related note, I saw on Twitter earlier that the mayor of Know County, Glenn Jacobs (Formerly Kane of WWE) congratulated Linda on the nomination. Someone in the comments replied "Bruh, you electrocuted the nuts of the Secretary of Education's son!"

Forget her son. Look what he did to her!

 

[ulukinatme]

Talk about a low bar lol.

Forget her son. Look what he did to her!

Bah gawd, Trump is gonna tombstone that damned Department of Education, just like Kane did to it's Secretary!

 

[GATTACA!]

She also served on the Connecticut Board of Education, and she was certified to teach when she graduated college. She's arguably more qualified than DeVos was, so why get the panties in a bunch?

Trump Education Department Nominee Resigned from Education Board After Falsely Claiming She Had a Degree in Education

Trump's nominee for Secretary of Education faces criticism over a past false claim about holding an education degree.

www.ibtimes.com

 

[ulukinatme]

Trump Education Department Nominee Resigned from Education Board After Falsely Claiming She Had a Degree in Education

Trump's nominee for Secretary of Education faces criticism over a past false claim about holding an education degree.

www.ibtimes.com

Yeah...still more qualified than DeVos. Shouldn't be a problem.

 

[GATTACA!]

still more qualified than DeVos

Yeah no shit, still doesn't mean she's even remotely qualified. But she's a billionaire that donated to Trump so fuck it, whatever.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Yeah no shit, still doesn't mean she's even remotely qualified. But she's a billionaire that donated to Trump so fuck it, whatever.

I'm guessing the Vince McMahon history too?

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah no shit, still doesn't mean she's even remotely qualified. But she's a billionaire that donated to Trump so fuck it, whatever.

What are the qualifications for the position, since she's not remotely qualified?

Here's some other qualifications she currently has:

 

[Blazers46]

Yeah no shit, still doesn't mean she's even remotely qualified. But she's a billionaire that donated to Trump so fuck it, whatever.

If she were gay she would be…

Im still driving on Transportation Pete’s pot holes in South Bend…

 

[Wild Bill]

If she were gay she would be…

Im still driving on Transportation Pete’s pot holes in South Bend…

Pete's filled many holes in South Bend, he'll get to yours soon enough. Be patient.

 

[GATTACA!]

What are the qualifications for the position, since she's not remotely qualified?

Here's some other qualifications she currently has:

Masters and doctorates in education or education related fields/law. Experience in actual teaching and ideally time as a superintendent too.

Boxes that basically every Secretary of Education has checked since the department was created before Trump.

 

[drayer54]

Yeah no shit, still doesn't mean she's even remotely qualified. But she's a billionaire that donated to Trump so fuck it, whatever.

She's completely qualified to shut it down—fire everyone. Terminate the leases. Lock the door on the way out.

 

[Blazers46]

Masters and doctorates in education or education related fields/law. Experience in actual teaching and ideally time as a superintendent too.

Boxes that basically every Secretary of Education has checked since the department was created before Trump.

Being qualified to do the job is completely different than actually doing the job. The US education system has been a dumpster fire for a very long time with what you deem qualified people in charge.

 

[Armyirish47]

Being qualified to do the job is completely different than actually doing the job. The US education system has been a dumpster fire for a very long time with what you deem qualified people in charge.

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Looks like that chart shows schools have gotten much better at graduating students and less focused on a test that only matters for the kids who want to go to college and get some brainwashed liberal arts degree that don't make no money and those other high school graduates have to pay for with their bootstrap taxes.

 

[JadedDomer]

Yeah no shit, still doesn't mean she's even remotely qualified. But she's a billionaire that donated to Trump so fuck it, whatever.

What are the objectives of the position and what results has it produced in its time?

Lets start at the beginning. And rinse and repeat this method for the next 4 years as inept institutions are challenged.

 

[Blazers46]

Looks like that chart shows schools have gotten much better at graduating students and less focused on a test that only matters for the kids who want to go to college and get some brainwashed liberal arts degree that don't make no money and those other high school graduates have to pay for with their bootstrap taxes.

Graduating students, I guess that’s all that matters.

 

[RDU Irish]

Looks like that chart shows schools have gotten much better at graduating students and less focused on a test that only matters for the kids who want to go to college and get some brainwashed liberal arts degree that don't make no money and those other high school graduates have to pay for with their bootstrap taxes.

It is damn near impossible to flunk any class, let alone flunk out, of our local public school system. It is a complete farce that is only propped up by the fact most people are pushing their kids to compete so they get the air of achievement. My son said college was easier b/c they actually taught the material within a month of going to college. One of his friends never did squat, probably missed more days than he attended and had teachers begging him to complete enough work to validate passing grade - now at App State.

I'm all for promoting trades and life skills in school with less focus on college or bust but the current system is a complete shit show.

 

[Irish#1]

Pete's filled many holes in South Bend, he'll get to yours soon enough. Be patient.

LMAO

 

[Irish#1]

Graduating students, I guess that’s all that matters.

It's easy to increase the graduation rate when you lower the bar. Need to get back to the core subjects and earn the grade. A passing grade used to be 70. I believe it's now 60 in many school systems.

 

[Armyirish47]

Graduating students, I guess that’s all that matters.

Nope, SAT scores only.

 

[Armyirish47]

It is damn near impossible to flunk any class, let alone flunk out, of our local public school system. It is a complete farce that is only propped up by the fact most people are pushing their kids to compete so they get the air of achievement. My son said college was easier b/c they actually taught the material within a month of going to college. One of his friends never did squat, probably missed more days than he attended and had teachers begging him to complete enough work to validate passing grade - now at App State.

I'm all for promoting trades and life skills in school with less focus on college or bust but the current system is a complete shit show.

I know a guy who graduated from public school despite his family being a disaster who went on to serve in the Marines, use government money to pay for college, wrote a bestseller, got elected to the US Senate and eventually elected as Vice President. I guess we just have different experiences. System working pretty good!

 

[drayer54]

 

[Blazers46]

I know a guy who graduated from public school despite his family being a disaster who went on to serve in the Marines, use government money to pay for college, wrote a bestseller, got elected to the US Senate and eventually elected as Vice President. I guess we just have different experiences. System working pretty good!

Everyone knows “a guy”. But the majority aren’t that guy.

 

[Blazers46]

Matt Gaetz no mas. Ended probably how most expected.

Matt Gaetz withdraws from consideration as Donald Trump's attorney general

Former Rep. Matt Gaetz announced Thursday he is withdrawing his name from consideration to be President-elect Donald Trump’s attorney general.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Irish#1]

Matt Gaetz no mas. Ended probably how most expected.

Matt Gaetz withdraws from consideration as Donald Trump's attorney general

Former Rep. Matt Gaetz announced Thursday he is withdrawing his name from consideration to be President-elect Donald Trump’s attorney general.

abcnews.go.com

I'm betting someone told him to withdraw otherwise they would enter into the hearing record making public some pretty enlightening things.

 

[Armyirish47]

Everyone knows “a guy”. But the majority aren’t that guy.

I disagree. I think RDU's examples are more the minority. I would argue you don't get American exceptionalism without a flawed but successful public education system. SAT scores be durned. Fix what need fixing, like flags in classrooms and keep the party going. <insert bald eagle sounds>

 

[ulukinatme]

Masters and doctorates in education or education related fields/law. Experience in actual teaching and ideally time as a superintendent too.

Boxes that basically every Secretary of Education has checked since the department was created before Trump.

Did you just post statistics, or did you post actual qualifications? Something official would be nice.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Unfortunately, I have little hope of anything that a Federal or State program does having any substantial impact as it relates to overall educational outcomes

In reality it's a cultural issue primarily related to parenting.

It requires involved parents who hold their kids accountable for their actions.

Years ago if Johnny had a failing grade or got in trouble at school, they were held accountable at home.

Now if Johnny gets a bad grade or gets in trouble at school, too many times the parents solution is to simply raise bloody hell with the teachers and administrators all while badmouthing the teacher at home in front of their kid.

Far too many teachers and administrators respond by making things easier and easier for the kids because they are tired of getting brow beaten every day at school and they don't have to deal with all the crap.

Grades go up, learning and performance goes down.

 

[GATTACA!]

Did you just post statistics, or did you post actual qualifications? Something official would be nice.

Obviously there aren't official qualification requirements or we wouldn't be having this discussion. There have only been 12 secretaries of education since it became it's own department so it should be pretty easy for you to do your own research. I'll summarize.

1st Shirley Ann Mount Hufstedler: BA in Business administration and another BA in law from Stanford

2nd Terrel Bell: Masters and PHD in higher eduction. Was a bus driver, teacher, and superintendent

3rd William Bennett: PhD in political philosophy, JD from Harvard, was an associate dean at Boston U and also a prof, was the director of the NHC

4th Lauro Cavazos: BA and MA in Zoology from TTU. PhD in physiology from ISU. Was a professor, dean, and president at multiple universities.

5th Lamar Alexander: BA from Vandy and a JD from NYU, and was Governor of Tennessee before being the secretary of education

6th Richard Riley: Law degree from South Carolina. Was a house and senate member from South Carolina. Eventually the Governor of South Carolina where he spearheaded huge education reforms

7th Rod Paige: MA and PhD in education. Was a Board of Education officer and trustee. Eventually a superintendent.

8th Margaret Spellings: BA in political science from Houston. Was the associate executive director of the e Texas Association of School Boards.

9th Arne Duncan: Graduated magna cum laude from Harvard with a BA in Sociology. He was the director of an education initiative in Chicago and ended up being the Chief Executive Officer of Chicago Public Schools.

10th John King Jr: This guys resume is insane. BA in government from Harvard. Was a teacher and got his masters in teaching. Co-founded a prep school. Was then the managing director for another charter school. Got his JD from Yale. Got his PhD in education from Columbia. He was the Commissioner of Education of the State of New York, and then the President of the University of the State of New York.

11th Devos: BA in business economics

12th Miguel Cardona: BA in the science of education. Master of Science in bilingual and bicultural education at UConn. PhD in education from UConn. Was a teacher, principal, assistant superintendent, and professor at several schools. Was the Connecticut commissioner of education

Now with a straight face can you tell us Linda McMahon belongs anywhere near this list? I agree with most of your guys complaints about the education system. But then trying to defend a nomination like this as someone that can address any of the problems you bring up invalidates your argument.

 

[ulukinatme]

Obviously there aren't official qualification requirements or we wouldn't be having this discussion. There have only been 12 secretaries of education since it became it's own department so it should be pretty easy for you to do your own research. I'll summarize.

1st Shirley Ann Mount Hufstedler: BA in Business administration and another BA in law from Stanford

2nd Terrel Bell: Masters and PHD in higher eduction. Was a bus driver, teacher, and superintendent

3rd William Bennett: PhD in political philosophy, JD from Harvard, was an associate dean at Boston U and also a prof, was the director of the NHC

4th Lauro Cavazos: BA and MA in Zoology from TTU. PhD in physiology from ISU. Was a professor, dean, and president at multiple universities.

5th Lamar Alexander: BA from Vandy and a JD from NYU, and was Governor of Tennessee before being the secretary of education

6th Richard Riley: Law degree from South Carolina. Was a house and senate member from South Carolina. Eventually the Governor of South Carolina where he spearheaded huge education reforms

7th Rod Paige: MA and PhD in education. Was a Board of Education officer and trustee. Eventually a superintendent.

8th Margaret Spellings: BA in political science from Houston. Was the associate executive director of the e Texas Association of School Boards.

9th Arne Duncan: Graduated magna cum laude from Harvard with a BA in Sociology. He was the director of an education initiative in Chicago and ended up being the Chief Executive Officer of Chicago Public Schools.

10th John King Jr: This guys resume is insane. BA in government from Harvard. Was a teacher and got his masters in teaching. Co-founded a prep school. Was then the managing director for another charter school. Got his JD from Yale. Got his PhD in education from Columbia. He was the Commissioner of Education of the State of New York, and then the President of the University of the State of New York.

11th Devos: BA in business economics

12th Miguel Cardona: BA in the science of education. Master of Science in bilingual and bicultural education at UConn. PhD in education from UConn. Was a teacher, principal, assistant superintendent, and professor at several schools. Was the Connecticut commissioner of education

Now with a straight face can you tell us Linda McMahon belongs anywhere near this list? I agree with most of your guys complaints about the education system. But then trying to defend a nomination like this as someone that can address any of the problems you bring up invalidates your argument.

So...at first all the previous Secretaries had to have a Masters or Doctorate in Education from what you said, and/or time spent actually teaching. Looking at this list of 12 individuals I'm seeing just 4 PhDs in education related fields, not really more than a handful with just a Masters in an education focused field and/or higher teaching...and a handful of BAs in unrelated fields like Business Administration, Poly Sci, Business Econ, Latin American studies, and Sociology. So, that moves the goal posts a bit.

But it's irrelevant, isn't it? If there are no official requirements for the position, then McMahon can't really be labeled as unqualified can she? As mentioned, she's at least as accomplished or more so than a few of the past Secretaries. Clutching pearls seems a bit silly.