Presidential Election 2024

[TorontoGold]

If I were Kamala, I would not touch Rogan with a ten foot pole. She hasn't shown anything that indicates she could sit down with him for three hours and just chit chat.

I think there is a reason her people proposed Joe come to her, and they sit down for an hour. 1) they know he won't agree, and 2) if he agrees, it's not a real JRE episode.

I've only seen him do one short episode, with the Austin mayor to discuss the homeless problem. Some episodes have been relatively short depending on schedules, but an hour? She's pretending to be busier than she is.

I don't think I've ever seen him do his show anywhere but his studio. I know he popped in for a bit on Tim Pool's show when Tim was in Austin, and he has done other pods in the past. He let Greenwald appear by zoom once, but later said he didn't care for that and wouldn't do zoom again.

Vance is going on tomorrow. What a mess that Kamala is afraid to go, and doesn't trust Tim Walz (assuming Joe would take him).

She is the VP, no? Some here like to paint Trump like he's putting in serious work. I don't think it's unreasonable for her to ask for a different site.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I mean unless they are that convinced she would implode in that setting, it is just a strategic mistake to not go do the podcast. Rogan had almost 40M people listen to his podcast in 2 days. That younger male demographic that is shifting right (ie: same people they aimed to win over with Walz running up against AOC's vaunted Pick Six play calls) and Rogan has a huge sway on that. I mean she has nothing on her official schedule today until 7:30 PM. She has her own plane to get her to Austin, hell she was just a stones throw away with Beyonce. You wouldn't say you want to be on SNL and then say you can't make it to New York and ask them to film it from DC

 

[GATTACA!]

If I were Kamala, I would not touch Rogan with a ten foot pole. She hasn't shown anything that indicates she could sit down with him for three hours and just chit chat.

I think there is a reason her people proposed Joe come to her, and they sit down for an hour. 1) they know he won't agree, and 2) if he agrees, it's not a real JRE episode.

I've only seen him do one short episode, with the Austin mayor to discuss the homeless problem. Some episodes have been relatively short depending on schedules, but an hour? She's pretending to be busier than she is.

I don't think I've ever seen him do his show anywhere but his studio. I know he popped in for a bit on Tim Pool's show when Tim was in Austin, and he has done other pods in the past. He let Greenwald appear by zoom once, but later said he didn't care for that and wouldn't do zoom again.

Vance is going on tomorrow. What a mess that Kamala is afraid to go, and doesn't trust Tim Walz (assuming Joe would take him).

She did call her daddy, Club Shay Shay, Stern, All the Smoke, and Charlemagne’s show. All long form. The idea that she can’t hold a conversation is just silly. Joe also isn’t the type to go after her and try to land a “gotcha”.

Joe’s interview with Bernie when he was running was only and hour. Yang’s JRE was under 2 hours IIRC.

 

[NDVirginia19]

She did call her daddy, Club Shay Shay, Stern, All the Smoke, and Charlemagne’s show. All long form. The idea that she can’t hold a conversation is just silly. Joe also isn’t the type to go after her and try to land a “gotcha”.

Joe’s interview with Bernie when he was running was only and hour. Yang’s JRE was under 2 hours IIRC.

Ultimately Harris needs Rogan more than Rogan needs Harris. The same cannot be said for those other podcasts maybe save Call Her Daddy, Stern, and Charlemagne, and all three of those shows are run by people who are entirely in Kamala's bag and publicly voice their support for her. Rogan likely won't agree to any of the conversation guidelines that the Kamala campaign would want to enforce.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

She did call her daddy, Club Shay Shay, Stern, All the Smoke, and Charlemagne’s show. All long form. The idea that she can’t hold a conversation is just silly. Joe also isn’t the type to go after her and try to land a “gotcha”.

Joe’s interview with Bernie when he was running was only and hour. Yang’s JRE was under 2 hours IIRC.

I agree that Kamala has already done long form pods (as you've listed). But Rogan has more ears and eyes than all of those combined, most likely. I remember when Bernie did a sit down with Killer Mike in 2016. As great as it was, it still shows less than a million views on YouTube. Meanwhile, Bernie's sit down with Rogan is listed as having 15 million. Even if it is only one hour, she should still do it. Shouldn't the goal be to get your name, face, and ideas in front of as many people as possible? There are plenty of overlapping, bipartisan topics they could talk about (and would likely agree on).

 

[NorthDakota]

She did call her daddy, Club Shay Shay, Stern, All the Smoke, and Charlemagne’s show. All long form. The idea that she can’t hold a conversation is just silly. Joe also isn’t the type to go after her and try to land a “gotcha”.

Joe’s interview with Bernie when he was running was only and hour. Yang’s JRE was under 2 hours IIRC.

Extremely friendly venues. Why is she afraid of Rogan? I haven't heard of shay shay or smoke. I didn't know stern was still around until then. Surprised he is still a thing with a pretty big audience.

I don't think Joe would try and do a "gotcha", I don't think she can talk to someone with any real curiosity. She sounds like someone with imposter syndrome. Trying not to get caught is the very thing that gets her caught.

Thank you for pointing out Bernie. I watched the Yang one but long ago so I can't recall length. I never saw the Bernie one. Trump laid down a gauntlet though by doing three hours. Vance will hopefully be a long one too.

Anyway, if she doesn't go on, she's afraid. It's the biggest audience in the country and he's very kind. I've seen him "jump" on one person that was remotely memorable and that was Matt Yglesias asking why he didn't work out if he was afraid of dying of covid.

 

[GATTACA!]

Ultimately Harris needs Rogan more than Rogan needs Harris. The same cannot be said for those other podcasts maybe save Call Her Daddy, Stern, and Charlemagne, and all three of those shows are run by people who are entirely in Kamala's bag and publicly voice their support for her. Rogan likely won't agree to any of the conversation guidelines that the Kamala campaign would want to enforce.

I agree that Kamala has already done long form pods (as you've listed). But Rogan has more ears and eyes than all of those combined, most likely. I remember when Bernie did a sit down with Killer Mike in 2016. As great as it was, it still shows less than a million views on YouTube. Meanwhile, Bernie's sit down with Rogan is listed as having 15 million. Even if it is only one hour, she should still do it. Shouldn't the goal be to get your name, face, and ideas in front of as many people as possible? There are plenty of overlapping, bipartisan topics they could talk about (and would likely agree on).

Extremely friendly venues. Why is she afraid of Rogan? I haven't heard of shay shay or smoke. I didn't know stern was still around until then. Surprised he is still a thing with a pretty big audience.

I don't think Joe would try and do a "gotcha", I don't think she can talk to someone with any real curiosity. She sounds like someone with imposter syndrome. Trying not to get caught is the very thing that gets her caught.

Thank you for pointing out Bernie. I watched the Yang one but long ago so I can't recall length. I never saw the Bernie one. Trump laid down a gauntlet though by doing three hours. Vance will hopefully be a long one too.

Anyway, if she doesn't go on, she's afraid. It's the biggest audience in the country and he's very kind. I've seen him "jump" on one person that was remotely memorable and that was Matt Yglesias asking why he didn't work out if he was afraid of dying of covid.

My point is I don't think she's "afraid". I think they decided it wasn't worth losing an entire day to do if she has to fly to Austin, record for 3 hours, and then get back to wherever she was going. Look at Trump the day he did it he was like 4 hours late to his rally that night. Hopefully the numbers Trump's episode is getting is changing their calculations, because I agree she should do it. Maybe it has because we're starting to hear rumblings of them trying to make it work again.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Poolymarket up to 67% for Trump. The markets average is 63.3% Trump.

I don't get it.

 

[NorthDakota]

My point is I don't think she's "afraid". I think they decided it wasn't worth losing an entire day to do if she has to fly to Austin, record for 3 hours, and then get back to wherever she was going. Look at Trump the day he did it he was like 4 hours late to his rally that night. Hopefully the numbers Trump's episode is getting is changing their calculations, because I agree she should do it. Maybe it has because we're starting to hear rumblings of them trying to make it work again.

The offer has been on the table for some time. A Rogan appearance is bigger than anything else she's done.

Losing a day to Rogan is gaining access to a largely male audience between 18-40. Should be a gold mine for a politician.

If she doesn't do it, it reflects bad. I don't think her biggest fans think she can do it..

 

[NDVirginia19]

I would think that going on the biggest podcast of all time and reaching tens of millions of an age gender bracket where you’re hemorrhaging votes beats out going to see 10-20k people who are already voting for you

 

[NorthDakota]

I would think that going on the biggest podcast of all time and reaching tens of millions of an age gender bracket where you’re hemorrhaging votes beats out going to see 10-20k people who are already voting for you

She's thinks she will drive low propensity listeners to Trump if she goes on.

It's the Al Smith dinner on steroids

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

My point is I don't think she's "afraid". I think they decided it wasn't worth losing an entire day to do if she has to fly to Austin, record for 3 hours, and then get back to wherever she was going. Look at Trump the day he did it he was like 4 hours late to his rally that night. Hopefully the numbers Trump's episode is getting is changing their calculations, because I agree she should do it. Maybe it has because we're starting to hear rumblings of them trying to make it work again.

After 3 months of campaigning, American voters only know 2 concrete things about Harris as a candidate:

1) She thinks Trump is a fascist

2) She comes from a middle class family

So on one hand you could argue that 3 hours with Rogan would help her cause, or her handlers are concerned that 3 hours with someone not from MSNBC or CNN would do more harm than good.

 

[GATTACA!]

After 3 months of campaigning, American voters only know 2 concrete things about Harris as a candidate:

1) She thinks Trump is a fascist

2) She comes from a middle class family

So on one hand you could argue that 3 hours with Rogan would help her cause, or her handlers are concerned that 3 hours with someone not from MSNBC or CNN would do more harm than good.

She could go on Rogan and have the best episode since Alex Jones last appearance and it wouldn’t change lots of your minds. Remember when she was going to bomb at the debate? She ends up destroying Trump so the goalposts move. Whatever.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Someone please tell me this is fake.

 

[ulukinatme]

She could go on Rogan and have the best episode since Alex Jones last appearance and it wouldn’t change lots of your minds. Remember when she was going to bomb at the debate? She ends up destroying Trump so the goalposts move. Whatever.

Destroy is a strong word only Politico and NPR used to describe it. Most sites conceded she had the better performance, but YouGov and other polls seem to show it moved the undecided voters very little in the end.

 

[ulukinatme]

C'mon man, what kinda fan are you if you vote for this guy?

 

[stlnd01]

Poolymarket up to 67% for Trump. The markets average is 63.3% Trump.

I don't get it.

https://www.wsj.com/finance/betting-election-pro-trump-ad74aa71

 

[TorontoGold]

She could go on Rogan and have the best episode since Alex Jones last appearance and it wouldn’t change lots of your minds. Remember when she was going to bomb at the debate? She ends up destroying Trump so the goalposts move. Whatever.

At this point it’s like “If she doesn’t do a full segment on infowars with David Duke I won’t be convinced she has an original thought and she’s really dumb and I want more Golfer penis talk” and then the same person will be like ya know I’m somewhat of a reasonable mind because I see both as equal since InsurrectionBarbie1488 and Jonathan Turley agree with me lmao.

 

[drayer54]

She did call her daddy, Club Shay Shay, Stern, All the Smoke, and Charlemagne’s show. All long form. The idea that she can’t hold a conversation is just silly. Joe also isn’t the type to go after her and try to land a “gotcha”.

Joe’s interview with Bernie when he was running was only and hour. Yang’s JRE was under 2 hours IIRC.

Those validated that she can’t hold a conversation. She’s unrelatable and can’t articulate anything. Partially because she’s had to walk back all over her views , has no positive record to sell, and partially because she’s clearly has a low understanding of complex issues. You know Rogan will ask about joes decline and what she saw, the process being coronated nominee, her vocal opposition to free speech, and the border. She’s trying to make it look like it’s his fault. Vance is also going to Austin.

 

[ulukinatme]

Saw that Democrats are suing in Georgia to prevent drop box surveillance on ballot boxes.
Seems rather suspect there's one party that is fighting to prevent voter ID, banning surveillance on ballot boxes, and they don't want non-citizens purged from voter registrations in the weeks leading up to the election. Why would you behave in such a way unless you plan on gaming the system?

 

[drayer54]

She could go on Rogan and have the best episode since Alex Jones last appearance and it wouldn’t change lots of your minds. Remember when she was going to bomb at the debate? She ends up destroying Trump so the goalposts move. Whatever.

Had she destroyed Trump- Rogan would have worked like that time she needed Walz to babysit her, but she had David Muir tag team that debate and Trump clearly sucks at debating. You could argue Trump destroyed Biden though as it ended his campaign.

 

[NorthDakota]

At this point it’s like “If she doesn’t do a full segment on infowars with David Duke I won’t be convinced she has an original thought and she’s really dumb and I want more Golfer penis talk” and then the same person will be like ya know I’m somewhat of a reasonable mind because I see both as equal since InsurrectionBarbie1488 and Jonathan Turley agree with me lmao.

Are we comparing Rogan to David Duke?

There is nothing wrong with admitting she is who she is. She's an airhead dem who will sign what she's told to sign and will veto what she's told to veto. It would be a continuation of Biden but with a younger darker woman(!!!) signing off on things. Nothing more, nothing less. Many million people are very okay with that, considering Trump Is the alternative.

That said, let's not pretend people are voting for her vision of America. She doesn't have one. They're merely voting against DJT, which is perfectly fine so long as people admit that.

 

[Irish#1]

Seems like going in front of that many viewers would be a better opportunity than campaigning in front of a few thousand that are voting for you anyway. If you're confident in your position, why not do it?

 

[rikkitikki08]

I’m not gonna lie to you guys, I come to the political thread for how juicy it gets between a few of you. You guys are my day time television stories

 

[rikkitikki08]

C'mon man, what kinda fan are you if you vote for this guy?

What a surprise, this puss puss hates ND.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Sounds like Walz would throw up some major jazz hands if Army beat ND.

 

[NDVirginia19]

What a surprise, this puss puss hates ND.

Must be sad that his Gophers have as many consequential post season games since the Vietnam War as he has deployments to a war zone

 

[NDVirginia19]

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[TorontoGold]

Are we comparing Rogan to David Duke?

There is nothing wrong with admitting she is who she is. She's an airhead dem who will sign what she's told to sign and will veto what she's told to veto. It would be a continuation of Biden but with a younger darker woman(!!!) signing off on things. Nothing more, nothing less. Many million people are very okay with that, considering Trump Is the alternative.

That said, let's not pretend people are voting for her vision of America. She doesn't have one. They're merely voting against DJT, which is perfectly fine so long as people admit that.

I was being hyperbolic. There are a number of posters who set these arbitrary lines that give the appearance of being "moderate" or "non-partisan" but once those thresholds are met the standards are moved. Not inferring you are, because we can actually talk about policy differences and not just "Trump is big meanie" or "Kamala laugh funny".

You could argue that Trump's 2016/2020/2024 vision wasn't articulated beyond "own the libs, drain the swamp, and build the wall". Which is totally ok for people to get behind, not many people can articulate what they actually want to see so they'll stick to easy platitudes. Kind of like the BS Dem lines of "we need to heal the country" as if a someone who votes for someone because they're going to work with the other side when they could just vote for the other side and cut out the limp dick middle man.