Post Game Observations (Syracuse '14)...

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I watched this from the stands and intently took in every play. Without getting into specifics right now, we simply did not impose our will.

Offensively, we went for the "take what they give us" approach and failed to capitalize the way we should have.

Screen after screen after flat after screen....

As critical as I am being, I'm still happy with the win. Who isn't?

But make no mistake, we are not playing championship level football. Plain and simple.

This might be the strangest complaint I've seen. I loved the screen game. If Kelly can always figure out a way to "take what they give us" then I believe a lot of good things are in store.

In every other situation where we aren't -4 in TOs, I think taking what they give us will result in at least 40 pts. We probably left 12-28 pts on the field with our poorly timed TOs.
 

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I hope you are right. I think Soso could be awesome here but even Folston was going to Auburn if they would have taken his LOI and Bryant was a hard pull too, not to mention Hood. It's a tough sell.

It's a tough sell right now, I still believe we can see better results as the year moves forward and as we see more Folston and Bryant. I can face it that McDaniel is the more complete back and he's been producing but if the other two can minimize mental errors, I think we'll see more big plays.

We saw Folston in two offensive series in a row, I'd like to see Bryant and even Cam get the same.
 

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It's a spread, and not a scheme that is going to impose their will on a team running the football ala Georgia, Bama, or Stanford.

Being a spread really has nothing to do with whether or not you impose your will on other teams, and run the ball on them. Over the last 5 full seasons (2009. 10, 11, 12, 13), Oregon (who obviously runs a spread) has averaged 280 yards a game, rushing. The spread was actually invented to RUN the ball. The idea behind the spread was, obviously, to spread the defenders out; to keep them from mutually supporting each other at the point of attack. Teams that had these quick little backs could not utilize them very well, because it was hard to get them into space. You want them in space because they can often make a guy miss. By spreading the defenders out horizontally, across the field, you create more one-on-one encounters between the ball carrier and defender. This gives your quick little scat-back the advantage.

Imposing your will on teams, in terms of running the ball, means continuing to pound the rock, until you just beat up and wear down the defense. ND's offense is just not doing that. I don't know if that is because they don't have the personnel for it, or if it is just not part of Kelly's coaching strategy. But it has nothing to with running the spread.
 

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Speaking of making guys miss, did anyone else think that one of the Syracuse backs was highly elusive? I don't think I ever saw anyone get a good hit on him.
 

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I hope you are right. I think Soso could be awesome here but even Folston was going to Auburn if they would have taken his LOI and Bryant was a hard pull too, not to mention Hood. It's a tough sell.

I'm surprised we can recruit any running back to Notre Dame. In Kelly's four and a half years we have never run the ball well consistently. We have shown spurts of a game or two, but nothing to suggest that running the ball was a priority.

Kelly's game plan has always been based on a pass first philosophy. Hiestand does a pretty good job of coaching the offensive line to provide pass protection, but run blocking seems passive. We've played a couple of games where our offensive line outweighed the opponent's defensive line by 35-50 pounds per man, yet we still couldn't open any running lanes.

Without a quality dual-threat quarterback this offense is not set up to move the ball. Fortunately, we have Golson, and hopefully we can keep Zaire and Kizer at Notre Dame to fill the void when Golson leaves. Since it doesn't look like we are taking a quarterback in 2015, we better get a good one committed for 2016. We have no reason to expect an improved running game in the near future. A dominant running game just doesn't fit well with Kelly's pass-first offense.
 
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I'm surprised we can recruit any running back to Notre Dame. In Kelly's four and a half years we have never run the ball well consistently. We have shown spurts of a game or two, but nothing to suggest that running the ball was a priority.

Kelly's game plan has always been based on a pass first philosophy. Hiestand does a pretty good job of coaching the offensive line to provide pass protection, but run blocking seems passive. We've played a couple of games where our offensive line outweighed the opponent's defensive line by 35-50 pounds per man, yet we still couldn't open any running lanes.

Without a quality dual-threat quarterback this offense is not set up to move the ball. Fortunately, we have Golson, and hopefully we can keep Zaire at Notre Dame to fill the void when Golson leaves. Since it doesn't look like we are taking a quarterback in 2015, we better get a good one committed for 2016. We have no reason to expect an improved running game in the near future.
This is it IMO. Kelly wants 30 carries a game and would like as much yardage as he can get from those carries. That's it. We are not going to get the Nick Chubbs, Jaques Patricks or Lattimores of the recruits because our running game is tertiary to passing and QB rushing.
 

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I attribute the sloppiness to having a bye week. You can never duplicate a game and game speed in practice. After the first quarter they started to find their rhythm. Defense continues to impress me, but I thought we could have pressured the QB a little more. Nice catch by Hunter. Can't wait to see him play more. For having such a young team, I'm impressed, especially with their mental makeup.
 

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I attribute the sloppiness to having a bye week. You can never duplicate a game and game speed in practice. After the first quarter they started to find their rhythm. Defense continues to impress me, but I thought we could have pressured the QB a little more. Nice catch by Hunter. Can't wait to see him play more. For having such a young team, I'm impressed, especially with their mental makeup.

On some points, sure. Timing and things like that can get skewed. But ball security (a major part of last night's sloppiness) shouldn't be affected by a one week layoff.
 

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The silver lining behind not being able to run the ball is Kelly is being forced to change his scheme.
I hope he eliminates the lateral movement with the backs and starts running a lot more pistol.
It still keeps his shotgun philosophy, but can also produce a power running game out of a modified 'I' formation.
The slow developing sweep runs are telegraphed and the defenses are stuffing it this year.
 

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1). I watched ND play four games in which we were clearly better than all four opponents. I cannot remember the last time that I honestly thought that. Despite playing the game as if we'd just come from an original recipe KFC picnic without scrubbing the grease off our hands, we still dominated them. Without our turnovers and near-turnovers, Syracuse might not have had even a glimmer of hope.

2). Everett still hasn't become a true quarterback. As a winning athlete, he is fantastic; and maybe that's all we need. If he didn't have a supergenius to get him into success situations, he'd be in trouble. But with Coach we have that genius. If Everett would now just run the correct plays as Kelly wants him to, the opponents would collapse by halftime. Thanks for Everett, but groveling thanks for Kelly.

3). Will Fuller is unguardable and Corey Robinson nearly so. "We" cannot be stopped there. Koyack is OK but is a "possession" TE without Eifert/Rudolph/Carlson's separate-and-shield skills. Prosise could be in the Fuller/Robinson productivity class if he's more hands dependable. Hunter looked really promising. We are deadly good in every way pass-receiving.

4). Our running is OK given what Coach is trying to do. Our trouble is that everybody's favorite guy, Bryant, is not dependable either in blocking or ball-security. Everybody's whipping boy, McDaniel, IS. The passing pockets are cleaner with McDaniel and he has strong hands on the ball. Also, Bryant is not the kickoff return solution --- most hesitant guy we've had back there in a long time.

5). Our defense is, so far, magnificent. Syracuse had almost no threatening plays. Three near-miraculous perfect placements on the sidelines
-astounding that ANYONE could have thrown THREE such perfect long balls-
gained, alongside the fake punt, most of their yardage. One long drag route across the middle was more the linebackers fault than Farley's, as one of them should have interrupted that. When a modestly productive play would occur, our astonishing speed and instincts and scheme would rapidly swarm it. We FLY on defense.

6). Defensive #3 gameball: the secondary [especially the corners and Farley]. I totally disagree with any didn't-get-their-head-around comments. These guys battled the sh!t out of their opponents to the end.

7). Defensive #2 gameball: Sheldon Day, The Wrecking Ball.

8). Defensive #1 gameball: Brian Van Gorder. [thank you, God].

9). Offensive #3 gameball: Corey Robinson.

10). Offensive #2 gameball: Will Fuller.

110. Offensive #1 gameball: Coach. Just brilliant. They decided to defend us like a "T", the deep back and the near middle, so Kelly just killed them in the flats, and had the patience and discipline to stay the course. {Everett, you'll get my gameball when you consistently run the offense like Coach would like to see you run it --- you are a most remarkable athlete. I'd like to see your game-brain rise up to match that.}
 

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I thought the defense was great; only giving up 9 points when your offense has 5 turnovers is pretty incredible, I don't care who you're playing. I thought the run defense did a very good job; everyone seemed curious if ND could stop the Syracuse run game.

The offense had a weird, but productive night. Yeah, the 5 turnovers were frustrating, but they seemed to move the ball with ease. Fuller and Robinson had career days. Fuller seems to be setting himself up for a nice career at ND (he's a rich man's TJ Jones IMO).
 

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4). Our running is OK given what Coach is trying to do. Our trouble is that everybody's favorite guy, Bryant, is not dependable either in blocking or ball-security. Everybody's whipping boy, McDaniel, IS. interrupted that. When a modestly productive play would occur, our astonishing speed and instincts and scheme would rapidly swarm it. We FLY on defense.


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Cam is by far the best back on the team as far as understanding the position. Id rather have a great footballer than an athlete any day. But both combined would be awesome.
 

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I thought the defense was great; only giving up 9 points when your offense has 5 turnovers is pretty incredible.

Not to take anything away from a very good defensive performance, but it's important to note that all 3 fumbles occurred inside of Syracuse's 30 yard line, one being inside of their 20. So it's not like the Defense was forced to defend a short field on all of those turnovers. In fact, one of the INTs was a pick six, and the other occurred in Syracuse's half of the field. So, the defense played well, but holding after turnovers isn't as impressive as it might seem.
 

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1) Loved seeing a lot of new formations out there on O. Loved the double TE look.

2) Good to get the sloppiness out of the way. Now the coaches can stress playing turnover-free and mistake-free against Stanford and it will actually sink in with the players.

3) I'd still like to see us go under center in some situations. I cringe on 3rd and 1 when we're in the shotgun. At least that two TE formation had some semblance of a power run look to it.

4) Can't complain about having 5 turnovers and winning by 16. 5 turnovers in 2011 against USF and Michigan....

5) I think we play a very clean game next week and win. It will be ugly on O. Lot of short runs and max protect pass plays IMO but I think we win something like 17-10.
 

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Opinions:

1). I watched ND play four games in which we were clearly better than all four opponents. I cannot remember the last time that I honestly thought that. Despite playing the game as if we'd just come from an original recipe KFC picnic without scrubbing the grease off our hands, we still dominated them. Without our turnovers and near-turnovers, Syracuse might not have had even a glimmer of hope.

2). Everett still hasn't become a true quarterback. As a winning athlete, he is fantastic; and maybe that's all we need. If he didn't have a supergenius to get him into success situations, he'd be in trouble. But with Coach we have that genius. If Everett would now just run the correct plays as Kelly wants him to, the opponents would collapse by halftime. Thanks for Everett, but groveling thanks for Kelly.

3). Will Fuller is unguardable and Corey Robinson nearly so. "We" cannot be stopped there. Koyack is OK but is a "possession" TE without Eifert/Rudolph/Carlson's separate-and-shield skills. Prosise could be in the Fuller/Robinson productivity class if he's more hands dependable. Hunter looked really promising. We are deadly good in every way pass-receiving.

Paging Irish Jacky
 

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4) Can't complain about having 5 turnovers and winning by 16. 5 turnovers in 2011 against USF and Michigan....


Yep, this is my main thing today. The turnovers were disappointing, but I loved how our defense responded. On the defensive side of the ball, we dominated the line of scrimmage. Loved that. We forced Hunt to make perfect throws, which--to his credit--he was able to do from time to time, but not often enough. Sloppy win but I am overall encouraged by it. Every team is going to have a sloppy game here and there. Overcoming those mistakes and working to limit them is all you can ask for as a fan.

I am a little worried about the run blocking, but not as worried as Herbie was. At this point the pattern is very clear ... When teams stack the box, Kelly will throw. Syracuse couldn't stop us from moving the ball by pitching out wide quickly, so why worry about establishing the run. Kelly will throw all night in that situation. By the way, I thought our backs did ok in there. Basically, I will worry about the run blocking for real when teams start to take away the pass.
 

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I think BKs been watching some Chip Kelly. One play early where Golson faked the handoff in the shotgun and then rolled out and had the option to either pass to the WR on the bubble screen or run is a staple of the Eagles offense and we (Eagles) run it a couple times a game. It's my favorite play that the Eagles run consistently.

Here it is.

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Yes! I noticed that as well. I loved the multiple looks our O gave last night. I am a fan of Chip Kelly's and I'm glad to see BK incorporating read option into our offense as I think it can take it to another level.

I wanted to echo another poster's thoughts on "imposing our will." BK has never been that guy. He's always been pass happy he just couldn't be his first 3 years here because of the QB situation. He tried to be last year but Rees was too inconsistent. If our run game is inconsistent and the opposing defense is lined up to take it away, why force it? We have a pretty good QB who seems to be able to overcome our "mediocre" WRs and succeed anyway.
 

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We converted a number of 3rd and shorts running the ball. I mean it's obvious Kelly was running the ball with that down and distance. Syracuse was putting a seventh guy in or moving into the box on those downs. We also had at least one 3rd and 6 where we ran a power off tackle for a first down also. I think we had two 3rd down conversions on 3rd and 5+ by running.

It has very little to do with predictability. It has to do with an offensive system that doesn't run the ball to set up anything. The bubble screens and smoke screen and middle screens to the receivers are the extension of the run game. I mean this is how the spread is ran. This is how I coach it everyday with my HS team. We did it in college. Half the teams in FBS do it. In this offensive system you have to be able to get 2 to 4 yards in predictable situations to be very successful. Cant be getting stuffed or leaving 3rd and 2 yards in the field and having to punt. Thats what Kelly is referring to.

The eye test shows it and the numbers show it. We don't run a system that is like Auburns in terms of running the ball, it's more like A&M/Clemson to an extent, we chuck it, run if we can/have to, use a mobile QB, and throw tons of screens. We move the ball. We score points. I mean 5 TOs and game is never in doubt? Plus we control the ball and convert 3rd downs. Oh yeah and we won.
This last point I think is important. We run a "spread" offense so most people think of Oregon (the premier spread program) or a team like Auburn, which are both run heavy. However the variant BK runs is like you said closer to A&M. Our RBs will be in every play and will catch a lot of passes but they may not get a lot of rushing attempts.
 

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I will use this opportunity to express my delight in the strategy used to create this years schedule.
 

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watched the game when I got home.

D looked great hope I'm not jinxing anything but BVG has done so well I can't believe I freaked out about Bob D leaving us.

EG played great despite the turnovers. Make no mistake about it though had this not been Syracuse we would've lost this game.

Also hope I don't jinx this but Farley has played great this season and I feel bad about bashing him so much last year hope he keeps it up.

Wildman said it best. We are not playing championship football. 4-0 is great but we have yet to play a truly good team and only one of the teams we have played so far MAY end up making a bowl game. Better than anything else but I hope you guys logically understand me thinking that we still may be destined for another pinstripe or sun bowl this year rather than the playoffs. Truth be told if we made the playoffs and played Bama it would be just like the title game.

4-0 still feels good hope we can play better next week because despite the team seeming a bit overrated Stanford is still the best team we will face thus far and we have to play better than we have the last few weeks or else they will beat us at home.
 

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We have a resident OL guru but do we have a resident ST guru?
 

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watched the game when I got home.

D looked great hope I'm not jinxing anything but BVG has done so well I can't believe I freaked out about Bob D leaving us.

EG played great despite the turnovers. Make no mistake about it though had this not been Syracuse we would've lost this game.

Also hope I don't jinx this but Farley has played great this season and I feel bad about bashing him so much last year hope he keeps it up.

Wildman said it best. We are not playing championship football. 4-0 is great but we have yet to play a truly good team and only one of the teams we have played so far MAY end up making a bowl game. Better than anything else but I hope you guys logically understand me thinking that we still may be destined for another pinstripe or sun bowl this year rather than the playoffs. Truth be told if we made the playoffs and played Bama it would be just like the title game.
I disagree. This year's Bama team isn't nearly as good as the 2012 edition. I also think our team this year is better top to bottom than the 2012 edition. We might not go undefeated though because you know things happen.
 

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Why do you watch any game? What is it helping if this is what you are going to take away from this? 8-4 or 7-5? Are you high?

Sorry to offend, I love this university and the football team. I just was stating my opinion but no matter if I'm right or wrong its the best sports entity we have going today. College guys playing college football will be going up against semi pro guys on campus to win a football game for the renegades. This team displays everything good about college football and FSU will show you how bad and ugly it gets when the reins aren't pulled in. Still need a running game. As I said I hope they make me look foolish with my prediction
 

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I'm no ST guru but maybe if I make a few ignorant statements those on IE who surely are can jump in a get it right.

1). Kick coverage is pretty good both ways. Kelly has decided to put more of his athletes out there, instead of "saving them" for Lord knows what. We are loaded with athletes so that should be, and is, solid. People like Onwualu occasionally tend to get a little too excited and crash in from their edges too soon.

2). Punt returns with Riggs will be OK. He's a risk taker but mature enough to get that stabilized. We just don't get enough punts TO return. I've been [again ignorantly] harping on the following for a couple of years: you get more returnable punts when the punter is a little scared. If we want more returns, it's not getting supernatural blocking while backpeddling 100mph, but it comes via poor punts getting to Riggs lower and sooner than his gunners can arrive. We, in my obviously wrong opinion, need to set up regular [disguised or at least randomly applied] sell-out punt blocking schemes. If the punter has been told that he better get it out of there quickly, he's going to mess it up more.

3). Kickoff returns, other than having fearless athletes throwing themselves into collision blocks, amount to one fearless runner. Returns are, usually, nothing fancy --- fancy means getting clobbered. Returns demand a back who fast-as-possible instinctively runs at what feels like a "soft" area in the oncoming array, makes ONE hard plant cut, and rips north-and-south. Bryant in this game was a study in exactly how NOT to be a Kickoff returner. People will again scream and groan, but McDaniel would have done this better, as that is his M.O. Would he have "Atkinson'd" it for 100? Nope. But I'll take 40-50.

.... now let the true insights begin, and I'll sit back and be happy to learn from y'all.
 

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1. I decided to watch 2 different defensive series by exclusively following Jaylon. Kid is unreal. We are extremely lucky to have him. Don't think I've ever seen a linebacker who can hit the hole on one play then cover a slot receiver coming across the middle the next like he does.

2. I knew both the fake punt and first onside kick were coming. I was yelling as loud as I possibly could but unfortunately I was in the upper deck :(.

3. I really felt like we dominated the entire game minus 4-5 big plays downfield for Syracuse. I said all week that we would definitely cover the spread and despite ND's best efforts to hand Syracuse 2-3 touchdowns we did.

4. The days of our team losing to a double digit underdogs are over. I'm not going to worry about it anymore as I really feel like we have enough talent to avoid such losses going forward.

5. I'm 3-0 in person since going to the National Championship game. 1 home, 1 away, and 1 neutral.
 

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The silver lining behind not being able to run the ball is Kelly is being forced to change his scheme.
I hope he eliminates the lateral movement with the backs and starts running a lot more pistol.
It still keeps his shotgun philosophy, but can also produce a power running game out of a modified 'I' formation.
The slow developing sweep runs are telegraphed and the defenses are stuffing it this year.

I completely agree with this. It seems like a majority of the runs that aren't short yardage situations are lateral movement/sweep type runs that are slow developing and are getting stuffed. I think these runs are problematic in the area of the offensive line as well because we don't have a lot of great athletes on the offensive line and the guys we do have are probably more geared to running more power/downhill type runs. We are bigger across the line against everybody we have played, but if these guys can't get to their spots against these smaller defensive lineman they lose....which is what we have seen and why the line appears to not be able to "get a push" in the running game. I would love to see more power runs called out of different formations because I think it would be more successful based on personnel.
 

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I'm surprised we can recruit any running back to Notre Dame. In Kelly's four and a half years we have never run the ball well consistently. We have shown spurts of a game or two, but nothing to suggest that running the ball was a priority.


Actually, Kelly's offenses have been crazily balanced, as far as play calling goes.

In 2010, The offense threw the ball 481 times, and ran it 414.

2011: 473 passing attempts, 433 rushing attempts.

2012: 388 passing attempts, 506 rushing attempts.

2013: 429 passing attempts, 440 rushing attempts.

2014: 135 passing attempts, 152 rushing attempts.

So you can see, Kelly is not some kind of kooky pass-pass-pass guy. He's not running a PAC-12 offense or anything.
 

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Personally I don't think Tarean Folston is THAT talented. I think he can be a very good college back behind a solid OL but he's not a game breaker.

As much as I can't believe i'm saying this I wish we had GAIII still. He was at least a threat to take it to the house every time he touched it.
 

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.... biting my tongue not to say anything about the Folston/GAIII comment.....

On a different modest observation: Our defense hurts people. And legally. We are leaving opponents on the field and in the locker-room. To me this says that we are fast, strong, and in shape. And we are excited for contact.

That makes me feel as positive about the team as anything about us {Yes, I WISH that good football didn't mean blasting the other guy as hard and as regularly as we do, but it does.}
 
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