Post Game NC State (For Kmoose)

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Do you have fact and data on this, or just your opinion.

Just an opinion based off of Dad's tweets, poor sideline mannerisms, no public statements by Zaire that he's doing everything he can to be prepared for opportunity, the way Kelly has answered questions regarding Zaire...
 

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I commented based on my reaction at game speed. I didn't see a slip but could be wrong. I didn't agree at the time that Kelly should pull him. I actually thought that he should have mirrored the decision by NCST to switch up and go with the running QB. NCST had no intention of passing the ball unless they had too and neither should have ND. The whole plan was flawed.
 

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Every single member of the coaching staff pretty clearly needs to be fired. I also believe that Swarbrick needs to be fired alongside Kelly for that idiotic, indefensible contract extension he gave Kelly in the offseason.



Not every ND fan was sold on Kelly even before this season. And no NFL team had the slightest interest in hiring Kelly.



This is why I want to be banned, because this board is moronic. But I can't stop my self from posting.

Swarbrick should not be fired. There is more to being an athletic director than football. All you posters are very narrow minded if you think the AD should be fired for giving the head football coach an extension.




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That was a terrible terrible display today. We have so much talent being wasted. Our zone running scheme is not working. The amount we threw the ball in weather like that is RIDICULOUS. I have not enjoyed watching ND play this year. Considering ND football is my favourite thing in the world, I've been bummed out lately. The 4th and 12 field goal range call to go for it was inexcusable. I don't think our OL are that poor at run blocking, I think it's our scheme and play calling. There's so much that I don't like, it'd take me all day to type it out. I'm very concerned about losing recruits. This is the first time I actually am doubting Kelly. Whoever was calling the plays today has some serious explaining to do. One bright note is that I think our D played well especially Tillery, Morgan and James. Our offensive play calling was horrible though. We deserve to be 2-4 and we'll probably end up a 5-7 ball team IF we're lucky and lose some solid recruits in the end. This is a sad day. I don't think I've been this negative on ND since Charlie was at the helm.
 

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I commented based on my reaction at game speed. I didn't see a slip but could be wrong. I didn't agree at the time that Kelly should pull him. I actually thought that he should have mirrored the decision by NCST to switch up and go with the running QB. NCST had no intention of passing the ball unless they had too and neither should have ND. The whole plan was flawed.

I think one would get the benefit of the doubt given the conditions. MZ is not the type of guy when I think of quitter.
 

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Zaire only got one snap because Kizer was getting looked at by trainers. When Kizer was good for the next play, he went back in.

Kelly didn't put Zaire in to change things up and then change his mind.

Just to keep the whole Zaire thing straight before a yuge debate starts.
 

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Zaire only got one snap because Kizer was getting looked at by trainers. When Kizer was good for the next play, he went back in.

Kelly didn't put Zaire in to change things up and then change his mind.

Just to keep the whole Zaire thing straight before a yuge debate starts.

Fair enough. That's my bad.
 

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That was amateur hour. Worst coached game I have ever seen. Continued to go 5 wide and air it out when it was absolutely clear it would not be possible under these conditions. The coaching staff but the players in a position where they could not possibly succeed.
 
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That was amateur hour. Worst coached game I have ever seen. Continued to go 5 wide and air it out when it was absolutely clear it would not be possible under these conditions. The coaching staff but the players in a position where they could not possibly succeed.

I fully agree. As a HS football coach, I was stunned by what I saw. I don't even wanna listen to Kelly's presser's.
 
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Interesting stat I read on 24/7. ND had 16 plays inside NCS 25. In 51 mph winds and HORRENDOUS rain, they ran designed pass plays 13 times. Kizer was sacked 3 times, and went 1 for 9 passing on those downs. Unreasonable play calling. I don't know what to say. I just don't know what to say boys....
 

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I think one would get the benefit of the doubt given the conditions. MZ is not the type of guy when I think of quitter.

I didn't base it on the kind of guy I thought he was. I just commented on what I saw. Nothing else.
 

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Today is where I'm officially done with Kelly. It's over. Before today i wanted him back definitely next year and to set high expectations (minimum 10-2 season) or have him fired after 2017.

His ego is unlike anyone else i've ever seen. The absolute worst-playing throughout the game i've ever witnessed in ND football history. He made no adjustments, insisted on his way, and then tries to scapegoat others.

Lay off Mustipher, will you? Like anyone really thought we were going to have a play over 10 yards there when we had maybe 1 or 2 plays more than 10 yards all game.

He puts in Zaire and then pulls him immediately when Zaire slips.

The pattern is always the same with this guy. I'm a genius. I'm smarter than everyone else. If the players just followed my game plan, listened to me, didn't turn the ball over, we definitely would've won.

This act is has gotten old. We need to stop using injuries and weather and bad breaks as excuses.

I wouldn't fire Kelly because i think that's what he wants so he can find another job. Let him resign because i think that's what he actually wants
 

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Throwing any player under the bus after coaching a historically bad game is inexcusable. I don't know who is the best option to coach Notre Dame going forward but I am absolutely sure it is not Brian Kelly. He should be fired in the morning, Sanford should be interim HC and Jack should get started in his coaching search.
 

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Seriously I won't be able to control myself. Mods please ban me till November 1st.

Need to focus on family and work and actually enjoy life. Instead of being tortured by Notre dame football.


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My sentiments exactly. Nit fair bringing my bad mood from this schitt show to others around me. What do I do with all my Fn XXL ND shirts!
 

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Interesting stat I read on 24/7. ND had 16 plays inside NCS 25. In 51 mph winds and HORRENDOUS rain, they ran designed pass plays 13 times. Kizer was sacked 3 times, and went 1 for 9 passing on those downs. Unreasonable play calling. I don't know what to say. I just don't know what to say boys....

That's truly staggering.
 

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1. Didn't get the game plan given the conditions
2. O line again disappointing
3. Turnovers are for losers
4. Team finds ways to lose, instead of finding ways to win. All games this year were winnable
5. D played good enough
 

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There has to be something going on behind the scenes for a coach to call the game the way BK call today's game. Maybe BVG wasn't his decision. Maybe he truly does want to get fired. Seriously, the game plan today was absolutely mind boggling. This game plan was a plan to LOSE. The greatest QB in the world (EVER) couldn't of thrown the ball in that weather today!

It is really disappointing that he called out SM the way he did. The guy struggled badly today but the coach falls on that sword, period. Stuff just doesn't add up, it's like he doesn't care. His ego is ridiculous, but he damaged his own brand badly today!
 

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There has to be something going on behind the scenes for a coach to call the game the way BK call today's game. Maybe BVG wasn't his decision. Maybe he truly does want to get fired. Seriously, the game plan today was absolutely mind boggling. This game plan was a plan to LOSE. The greatest QB in the world (EVER) couldn't of thrown the ball in that weather today!

It is really disappointing that he called out SM the way he did. The guy struggled badly today but the coach falls on that sword, period. Stuff just doesn't add up, it's like he doesn't care. His ego is ridiculous, but he damaged his own brand badly today!



I'm wondering if Kelly is spending so much time with the defense that he is not involved in the offense much anymore.

Meaning Denbrock and Sanford running the offense, calling the plays and running out the personnel packages.


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Defense played ok

Out coached AGAIN.

Kelly no longer needs to be at ND. His EGO is unbreakable.His Staff needs to go with him.

We ran the ball ok in the 4th other than that our run game is pathetic.

Bad decision making all game.

Our Oline is very overrated.

D was ok...still too many shoulder tackles. If people can't wrap up, sit their ass down...I mean whats to lose now...I see more value in a culture of accountability than a win loss record.

Punting was good...had a shank, and of course the block. Not sure if operation time was long, or what...not sure there should have been any pressure anyway, since we had enough protection...they just took the play off. Time to move to a rugby kicker who can get eyes up and move from pressure if thats the effort you can expect out of protection.

Oline is so inconsistent at run blocking...now the backs aren't pounding it up in there. Yea, yea, read option, stretch, pass happy, weather, blah blah blah...but as a back, you still put a foot in the ground lower the pad level and take what you can get on a day like today. Backs and DK looked like they were not running with commitment at times...that comes from expecting the oline to fail...that is SOOOO bad because it is a trust issue. Oline cannot be serious with the constant jumping off sides at critical moments...again nothing to lose...I see more value in a culture of accountability than a win loss record....if you've been in this program for 3-4 years, and you still jump when it is critical execution time...you are a liability, and you need to sit the fvck down...don't really care if you, or 27 talking heads think you are going to the NFL. Not if you don't get back on the field at ND you aren't. Even pass pro broke down today far too often...usually at very inopportune moments...mishaps at critical moments are a theme of the entire team, BTW.

Offense...terrible play calling. I understand throwing the ball a little, but it has got to be slant, slant, slant, slant, slant, pump to the slant, TE out or short fade back to the sideline to your 6'5" guy. But the ball has got to be out at 2. I expected to see double tights and pound , pound, pound. Maybe some unbalanced. I mean NOTHING I would expect to see on offense transpired today. I agree with an earlier poster in that what I saw today makes me wonder...is Kelly trying to get fired here? Even if they take the run game away a high tempo, short passing game from the spread is at least plausible...It just felt like I was watching someone with decision fatigue call plays...where they just shut their brain down...and did the same shit...awful.

Receivers...on a day like today the ball is going to take too long to get there for you to be running away from it...gotta come back, high point it, and take the yards. As well, I didn't like the effort on some catchable balls. Receiving is largely concentration and desire. Time to grow up receivers...because some balls hit the ground today you all had a say in...one even got intercepted. The wind and rain are brutal, but our boys left some plays on the field that should have been made. I am beginning to think our TE position...all of 'em have Leprosy....but if it were just that, they'd have more receptions...WTF is going on here?
 

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All I could gather from today was that BK either knows the O line can't move people up front and can't run, or he is trying to get himself out of South Bend. Really bizarre.
 

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All I could gather from today was that BK either knows the O line can't move people up front and can't run, or he is trying to get himself out of South Bend. Really bizarre.

The ND run game isn't really designed for conditions like this and that's why I don't think it would have mattered if they ran it more. That is to say the runners are reading blocks then making a cut off those. On a field like that, that approach simply won't work.
 

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Just watched BK's presser. Wow-sounds like a defeated man. Also sounds like he could (if not already) lose this team.

BK said they were all in it together yet blames Sam for his snaps and the game on the blocked punt. A reporter asks about his play calling and he stated that was not a problem. SMDH.

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Just watched BK's presser. Wow-sounds like a defeated man. Also sounds like he could (if not already) lose this team.

BK said they were all in it together yet blames Sam for his snaps and the game on the blocked punt. A reporter asks about his play calling and he stated that was not a problem. SMDH.

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Well the punt block is the major reason they lost. Inexcusable lack of effort by Weisher and the other protectors for letting that punt get blocked when NC State setup return.


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My thought is the reason for no Zaire is because he quit on this team a long time ago. Kelly's never been one to be afraid to pull a QB...

Or you think back to Clemson last year, we couldn't do anything in the elements until 4th quarter then figured it out and put up points.

Anyone at both games? I saw someone comment the Clemson conditions were much worse but it sure didn't appear that way to me on TV, it looked brutal out there.
When did Zaire quit on this team ?
 

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do we really think if we use the LSU game plan with Zaire the entire second half that we cant do better than that? kizer holds the ball too long and looks slow to react. i know he has good open field speed but cant escape the rush like he did last year imo. kizer is the better QB for sure but obviously not in a game like this.
 

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What do you guys think Swarbick is thinking?


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What do you guys think Swarbick is thinking?


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It's going to be an awful rough road to fire BK, talk to boosters to gather money, when we are going to be competing with LSU, Texas, and possibly USC in a head coach search. Those are great programs offering a lot. I think Jack realizes things aren't going well, and possibly trending down for the program, but it's a very risky proposition to fire BK in the current climate in CFB. Swarbrick gives some ultimatums for next year, and fires him at the end of next season if things continue to be shit. I'd like to think he's doing his research, but those are the conclusions I think he arrives at. Just my guess.
 

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We have lost to 4 absolutely terrible teams, 2 at home. I have nothing more to add that hasn't already been said. I'm speechless after what I saw from the coaching staff today.
 
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