Politics

[Irish YJ]

Amazingly....Every news or pseudo news website I've looked at EXCEPT for CNN has this story....even the local news channels.


Tucker is gonna have fun tonight.

MSNBC just posted. So proud of them. Can't believe even THEY beat CNN lol.

 

[Irish YJ]

people are F'ing crazy.

Detroit is now talking about stripping Ben Carson's name from a school because of his ties with Trump. Says it's like a having a "Trump black face" on their school....

Shouldn't they worry about fixing drinking water and test scores in schools. holy cow. why can't people focus their energy where it's truly needed.

 

[NorthDakota]

On a scale of 1-10, how big of a joke is the ACLU now?

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has unveiled a sweeping new proposal that would strengthen protections for college students accused of sexual assault. <a href="https://t.co/I4K18WhWdd">https://t.co/I4K18WhWdd</a></p>— NPR Politics (@nprpolitics) <a href="https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/1063447232714866689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Main points of emphasis would be presumption of innocence for the accused, and not forcing schools to act as police/courts in order to comply with Title IX. Basically, it'd put the emphasis for sexual assault prosecution back to the criminal court of law... which is frankly where something that serious belongs.

 

[NorthDakota]

Eric Swalwell fucked up REAAAALLLLLLLLY bad today.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">She’s not lying. We should ban assault weapons by buying them back or restricting them to ranges/clubs. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EnoughIsEnough?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EnoughIsEnough</a> <a href="https://t.co/XbRpOvXlF3">https://t.co/XbRpOvXlF3</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063535667249012736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He starts with a dumb idea, but not an outlandish one. I'd bet 30-40% of Americans would support that. Again, very dumb idea.

When responded to with opposition indicating a "come and take it" mentality, he literally goes nuclear.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities.</p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063527635114852352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He then tries to cover up that he insinuated the United States government will engage in a nuclear war with it's own citizens. Pretty much claims the previous tweet doesn't exist.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t be so dramatic. No one is nuking anyone or threatening that. I’m telling you this is not the 18th Century. The argument that you would go to war with your government if an assault weapons ban was in place is ludicrous and inflames the gun debate. Which is what you want. <a href="https://t.co/oX0rY7Nbs1">https://t.co/oX0rY7Nbs1</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063537935398522880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He then tries to deflect some more by claiming the guy is a nut and can't understand sarcasm.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">America’s gun debate in one thread. <br><br>1) I propose a buy-back of assault weapons<br><br>2) Gun owner says he’ll go to war with USA if that happens <br><br>3) I sarcastically point out USA isn’t losing to his assault weapon (it’s not the 18th Century)<br><br>4) I’m called a tyrant<br><br>5) 0 progress</p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063543731431727104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Last but not least, uses dead kids as sandbags and friggin' Moana to try to prove his point?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taking on the gun trolls to protect kids from being slaughtered in class sometimes feels like Moana taking on these guys. *WARNING: My frame of reference for next 10 years will be <a href="https://twitter.com/Disney?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Disney</a> movies. <a href="https://t.co/NMQ3xxXNmy">pic.twitter.com/NMQ3xxXNmy</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063576401666686976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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What a fucking idiot. Really. Incredibly dumb.

 

[Irish YJ]

Eric Swalwell fucked up REAAAALLLLLLLLY bad today.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">She’s not lying. We should ban assault weapons by buying them back or restricting them to ranges/clubs. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EnoughIsEnough?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EnoughIsEnough</a> <a href="https://t.co/XbRpOvXlF3">https://t.co/XbRpOvXlF3</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063535667249012736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He starts with a dumb idea, but not an outlandish one. I'd bet 30-40% of Americans would support that. Again, very dumb idea.

When responded to with opposition indicating a "come and take it" mentality, he literally goes nuclear.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities.</p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063527635114852352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He then tries to cover up that he insinuated the United States government will engage in a nuclear war with it's own citizens. Pretty much claims the previous tweet doesn't exist.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t be so dramatic. No one is nuking anyone or threatening that. I’m telling you this is not the 18th Century. The argument that you would go to war with your government if an assault weapons ban was in place is ludicrous and inflames the gun debate. Which is what you want. <a href="https://t.co/oX0rY7Nbs1">https://t.co/oX0rY7Nbs1</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063537935398522880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He then tries to deflect some more by claiming the guy is a nut and can't understand sarcasm.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">America’s gun debate in one thread. <br><br>1) I propose a buy-back of assault weapons<br><br>2) Gun owner says he’ll go to war with USA if that happens <br><br>3) I sarcastically point out USA isn’t losing to his assault weapon (it’s not the 18th Century)<br><br>4) I’m called a tyrant<br><br>5) 0 progress</p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063543731431727104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Last but not least, uses dead kids as sandbags and friggin' Moana to try to prove his point?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taking on the gun trolls to protect kids from being slaughtered in class sometimes feels like Moana taking on these guys. *WARNING: My frame of reference for next 10 years will be <a href="https://twitter.com/Disney?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Disney</a> movies. <a href="https://t.co/NMQ3xxXNmy">pic.twitter.com/NMQ3xxXNmy</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1063576401666686976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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What a fucking idiot. Really. Incredibly dumb.

what is funny, is guys like this say it's not the 1800s and we don't need to protect ourselves from government anymore, while on the other sides of their mouths, dems are saying democracy is under attack, failing and at risk, and that Trump is a tyrant.

 

[ACamp1900]

When the guy saying he doesn’t understand why people are afraid to give up their guns says in the next sentence our gov will nuke its own country.....

 

[Irish YJ]

how dare a music awards show focus on music...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joy Behar Criticizes CMA Awards For Not Getting Political: ‘The Democracy Is At Risk’ <a href="https://t.co/0t5B6zsjZP">https://t.co/0t5B6zsjZP</a> <a href="https://t.co/tvjUfKqxCD">pic.twitter.com/tvjUfKqxCD</a></p>— The Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1063616995747340288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[loomis41973]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/17/michael-avenatti-law-firm-evicted-ca-office-skipping-213000-rent/

Guess the "they didn't pay me first" was not a workable defense..lol

Avenatti 2020

 

[ulukinatme]

how dare a music awards show focus on music...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joy Behar Criticizes CMA Awards For Not Getting Political: ‘The Democracy Is At Risk’ <a href="https://t.co/0t5B6zsjZP">https://t.co/0t5B6zsjZP</a> <a href="https://t.co/tvjUfKqxCD">pic.twitter.com/tvjUfKqxCD</a></p>— The Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1063616995747340288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I seriously question why this woman is still on TV. Does she really have fans out there that enjoy listening to her drivel? Is she just there to fill the "annoying shrew" seat on the View?

 

[Irish YJ]

I seriously question why this woman is still on TV. Does she really have fans out there that enjoy listening to her drivel? Is she just there to fill the "annoying shrew" seat on the View?

she's the epitome of divisiveness. it's en vogue.
only if she understood how the senate gets elected....

 

[ickythump1225]

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Tucker absolutely checkmates Shapiro in this debate. Tucker criticizes industrial society, pure capitalism, and libertarianism. What a time to be alive.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Tucker absolutely checkmates Shapiro in this debate. Tucker criticizes industrial society, pure capitalism, and libertarianism. What a time to be alive.

 

[Wild Bill]

Tucker absolutely checkmates Shapiro in this debate. Tucker criticizes industrial society, pure capitalism, and libertarianism. What a time to be alive.

I'm honestly amazed he hasn't been he hasn't been physically removed from Fox yet. Just consider the list of people, policies, institutions or ideas he's attacked on his show:

-neocons (pissed all over Kristol, Boot, Bolton and now Shapiro)
-military-industrial complex, aka, neocons (after Trump decided to bomb Syria)
-Tech companies, namely google (for censorship, spying and all around disgusting behavior)
-Amazon, mainly Bezos for treating his employees like cattle
-Walmart for similar reasons as Amazon
-Libertarian think tanks for obvious reasons
-Immigration (he attacks it both from the left and right which is unique).
-Pharmaceutical companies

The only use I have for the MSM is to mock them for my own entertainment but I do support Tucker. He's effectively attacking our culture and the stupidity of "thought leaders" in the GOP, which is pissing off all the right people. I wish him the best but I don't see this lasting much longer.

 

[ickythump1225]

Tucker is the single most important political voice, outside of Trump, in the country. The metamorphosis of Tucker Carlson from geeky bowtie wearing basic bitch GOPe guy getting BTFO by Jon Stewart to a red blooded nationalist immigration hardliner is one of the most amazing redemption arcs in our times.

 

[ickythump1225]

I'm honestly amazed he hasn't been he hasn't been physically removed from Fox yet. Just consider the list of people, policies, institutions or ideas he's attacked on his show:

-neocons (pissed all over Kristol, Boot, Bolton and now Shapiro)
-military-industrial complex, aka, neocons (after Trump decided to bomb Syria)
-Tech companies, namely google (for censorship, spying and all around disgusting behavior)
-Amazon, mainly Bezos for treating his employees like cattle
-Walmart for similar reasons as Amazon
-Libertarian think tanks for obvious reasons
-Immigration (he attacks it both from the left and right which is unique).
-Pharmaceutical companies

The only use I have for the MSM is to mock them for my own entertainment but I do support Tucker. He's effectively attacking our culture and the stupidity of "thought leaders" in the GOP, which is pissing off all the right people. I wish him the best but I don't see this lasting much longer.

Tucker is their top rated show, they don't want to kill the golden goose. Plus I don't think Tucker would be easily de-platformed at this point.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm honestly amazed he hasn't been he hasn't been physically removed from Fox yet. Just consider the list of people, policies, institutions or ideas he's attacked on his show:

-neocons (pissed all over Kristol, Boot, Bolton and now Shapiro)
-military-industrial complex, aka, neocons (after Trump decided to bomb Syria)
-Tech companies, namely google (for censorship, spying and all around disgusting behavior)
-Amazon, mainly Bezos for treating his employees like cattle
-Walmart for similar reasons as Amazon
-Libertarian think tanks for obvious reasons
-Immigration (he attacks it both from the left and right which is unique).
-Pharmaceutical companies

The only use I have for the MSM is to mock them for my own entertainment but I do support Tucker. He's effectively attacking our culture and the stupidity of "thought leaders" in the GOP, which is pissing off all the right people. I wish him the best but I don't see this lasting much longer.

I watched him on Dave Rubin and he was so much more interesting than I anticipated. He was dropping bombs on people all over the place regarding markets(especially on the borderline monopolies we see from the tech giants), culture stuff, etc. I like Tucker, I like Dave Rubin, I like Big Ben Shapiro, I'm cool with them all having their own niche.

 

[Wild Bill]

Tucker is their top rated show, they don't want to kill the golden goose. Plus I don't think Tucker would be easily de-platformed at this point.

The media's main priority is forming public opinion, not profits. They'd be happy to take both, but given a choice, they'll sacrifice profits for control of the narrative. I can't imagine anyone with the power and money to influence our nation, whether they're on the left or right, is pleased with him having this platform.

I do agree with you, he will not be easily de-platformed. If Fox cans him like they did O'Reilly (thank you leftists), he's not going to ride off into the sunset. He just may take a huge chunk of his audience with him to another platform where he can speak freely without having to answer to media execs. Bringing the boomers along for the ride may be difficult. He should have a how to stream internet videos segment on his show before he gets the ax. That may help.

I watched him on Dave Rubin and he was so much more interesting than I anticipated. He was dropping bombs on people all over the place regarding markets(especially on the borderline monopolies we see from the tech giants), culture stuff, etc. I like Tucker, I like Dave Rubin, I like Big Ben Shapiro, I'm cool with them all having their own niche.

I get the Ben Shapiro thing to an extent. He's more aggressive than most conservative pundits and uses easy to understand logic. The problem with him, is that at his core, he's a neocon piece of shit.

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm honestly amazed he hasn't been he hasn't been physically removed from Fox yet. Just consider the list of people, policies, institutions or ideas he's attacked on his show:

-neocons (pissed all over Kristol, Boot, Bolton and now Shapiro)
-military-industrial complex, aka, neocons (after Trump decided to bomb Syria)
-Tech companies, namely google (for censorship, spying and all around disgusting behavior)
-Amazon, mainly Bezos for treating his employees like cattle
-Walmart for similar reasons as Amazon
-Libertarian think tanks for obvious reasons
-Immigration (he attacks it both from the left and right which is unique).
-Pharmaceutical companies

The only use I have for the MSM is to mock them for my own entertainment but I do support Tucker. He's effectively attacking our culture and the stupidity of "thought leaders" in the GOP, which is pissing off all the right people. I wish him the best but I don't see this lasting much longer.

Anyone who pisses off Boot is alright with me.

 

[ickythump1225]

The media's main priority is forming public opinion, not profits. They'd be happy to take both, but given a choice, they'll sacrifice profits for control of the narrative. I can't imagine anyone with the power and money to influence our nation, whether they're on the left or right, is pleased with him having this platform.

I do agree with you, he will not be easily de-platformed. If Fox cans him like they did O'Reilly (thank you leftists), he's not going to ride off into the sunset. He just may take a huge chunk of his audience with him to another platform where he can speak freely without having to answer to media execs. Bringing the boomers along for the ride may be difficult. He should have a how to stream internet videos segment on his show before he gets the ax. That may help.



I get the Ben Shapiro thing to an extent. He's more aggressive than most conservative pundits and uses easy to understand logic. The problem with him, is that at his core, he's a neocon piece of shit.

Ben Shapiro strikes me as very disingenuous. He plays it off like he's just some right-libertarian dude but yeah he's just a slippery neocon. He also reminds me of Randall Weems from "Recess" and he seems like he has the soul of a tattletale. Like he's the dude calling corporate HR on you because you made an off color joke.

 

[Irish YJ]

have always liked TC. love that he'll bring anyone on.

not sure about all the talk about fox silently hates his message. sure, execs would prefer someone singing their tune, but...... if i'm comparing Fox to CNN and MSNBC... Fox spends a lot of money on adding left talking heads, to at least "seem" unbiased. CNN and certainly MSNBC do not. Out of the three, I'd say they are the least controlling when it comes to narrative. i'm not saying they aren't biased, and not saying they don't like to push a narrative... i'm just saying they are not as bad as some.

also, doesn't their parent company own FX? the same network who has some ultra lib shows?

 

[NorthDakota]

Ben Shapiro strikes me as very disingenuous. He plays it off like he's just some right-libertarian dude but yeah he's just a slippery neocon. He also reminds me of Randall Weems from "Recess" and he seems like he has the soul of a tattletale. Like he's the dude calling corporate HR on you because you made an off color joke.

The only time he strikes me as particularly Neo-con is when it comes to Israel.

 

[ickythump1225]

The only time he strikes me as particularly Neo-con is when it comes to Israel.

Well that is basically the whole point of neoconservatism.

 

[NorthDakota]

Well that is basically the whole point of neoconservatism.

I was under the impression that it had more to do with sort of playing the role of a puppet master throughout the world when it serves American interests. To be fair, Israel tends to be a hot spot for the application of those principles.

 

[ickythump1225]

Neoconservatism is basically political Zionism applied to American politics. When viewed through those lenses our foreign policy actions since 9/11 make more sense. Not that I agree with them, but they aren't this bewildering series of missteps they are made out to be at times.

 

[Irish YJ]

I view it more like NDak. Basically doing whatever it takes to counter the re-emergence of another world power. I think Zionism is neocon, but locally to the Jewish state. The US does far more globally than Israel. We have our hands in every little thing, and money in even more.

 

[Legacy]

Bill to protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller blocked on the Senate floor again

A bill that would protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller was once again not allowed a vote on the Senate floor Wednesday.

Republican Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona and Democratic Sens. Chris Coons of Delaware and Cory Booker of New Jersey attempted to force the vote by unanimous consent, but that meant it could be blocked by just one senator, as Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah did Wednesday.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has argued, as recently as Tuesday, that the bill is not necessary since he believes there is no indication President Donald Trump is moving to fire Mueller.

Flake disputed McConnell's argument in his floor speech ahead of his vote being blocked.
"Why shouldn't we be up in arms about this?" Flake said reading a few of Trump's recent tweets about Mueller. "Should we here in the Senate be okay with that? I argue no, we should not be."

"With the President tweeting on a regular basis -- a daily basis -- that the special counsel is conflicted, that he's leading so called '12 angry Democrats' and demeaning and ridiculing him every way," Flake, who is retiring at the end of his term in January, continued. "To be so sanguine about the chances of him being fired is folly for us, I believe."

Flake is refusing to vote for judicial nominees in committee or on the floor until this bill is allowed to go for a vote. The GOP-led Senate Judiciary Committee approved a bill last spring that would make it harder for Trump to fire Mueller, in a bipartisan 14-7 vote. Sen. Charles Grassley added an amendment that would require the attorney general to provide a report to Congress when a special counsel is appointed or removed, or when the investigation of the special counsel concludes. Grassley said:

"In some ways, today’s vote will say a lot about how each of us views our responsibilities as senators. The founders anticipated that we would wield the powers the Constitution affords us with great ambition so that we could effectively check the powers of the other branches. This bill certainly does that."

Why Lindsey Graham might shut down the Senate

Lindsey Graham is threatening to shut down any contentious business in the Senate until he gets answers on the killing of a journalist in a Saudi consulate.

Graham threatened to withhold a key vote that senators will need to pass measures in the final days before Congress adjourns for the end of the year.

“Anything that you need me for to get out of town, I ain’t doing it until we hear from the CIA,” Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill Wednesday, according to Roll Call.

But senators, including Graham, want to hear from CIA Director Gina Haspel on what the spy agency knows about Khashoggi’s killing. Haspel has traveled to Turkey as part of the agency’s investigation and heard a recording of the killing itself.

Congress still has some important work to do before the holidays. The federal government will shut down if a new spending bill isn’t approved by Dec. 7. That measure could face opposition if it includes money for President Donald Trump’s proposed border wall, as the president has called for.

 

[NorthDakota]

Bill to protect special counsels such as Robert Mueller blocked on the Senate floor again



Flake is refusing to vote for judicial nominees in committee or on the floor until this bill is allowed to go for a vote. The GOP-led Senate Judiciary Committee approved a bill last spring that would make it harder for Trump to fire Mueller, in a bipartisan 14-7 vote.

Why Lindsey Graham might shut down the Senate

Everything I've read(a bit, not a ton) seems to indicate that Congress acting to try to protect Mueller would likely be unconstitutional. Congress's role would come following the firing. I don't think it really matters, I doubt anything is going to happen with Mueller anyway.

 

[Legacy]

Everything I've read(a bit, not a ton) seems to indicate that Congress acting to try to protect Mueller would likely be unconstitutional. Congress's role would come following the firing. I don't think it really matters, I doubt anything is going to happen with Mueller anyway.

Just added more to the comment clarifying the reasons the Judiciary Committee passed the bipartisan bill - The Special Counsel Independence and Integrity Act - with comment by Grassley. Co-sponsor included Lindsey Graham.

And added Grahams's threat about Khasshogi's murder.

 

[Irish YJ]

what we need more than anything is true non partisan oversight. not just for special counsel. Anyone who says the FBI and other groups can't be partisan are simply blind. I remember all the folks claiming Comey was non-partisan. That's turned out to be a huge LOL. He's gone full on Left.