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[Sea Turtle]

Lately I have been seeing #WalkAway listed on Twitter and referenced a few other places. Other than just the briefest peek into clicking on the hastag and reading a few of the tweets there, I didn't really have too much information. I saw the below article today (yes I know PJ media is from the right), but it is the first thing I read about the movement in an informational way.
I wondered if any of you were familiar with anything regarding this and had any further info.

White Millennials Are Leaving the Democratic Party as 'Walk Away' Campaign Picks Up Steam

He was evidently refused service at a camera store because of his video......confirming the content of his video lol.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Socialism is for everyone else, not the socialist.

https://nypost.com/2018/07/05/de-blasio-used-a-3m-counterterrorism-plane-to-zip-home-from-vacation/

De Blasio used a $3M counterterrorism plane to zip home from vacation

 

[Irish YJ]

Socialism is for everyone else, not the socialist.

https://nypost.com/2018/07/05/de-blasio-used-a-3m-counterterrorism-plane-to-zip-home-from-vacation/

De Blasio used a $3M counterterrorism plane to zip home from vacation

Because it's incredibly important to be able to identify dirty bombs to and from your vacation. Was Ocasio Cortez with him?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Things that happen in Silicon Valley and also the Soviet Union:<br><br>- waiting years to receive a car you ordered, to find that it's of poor workmanship and quality<br><br>- promises of colonizing the solar system while you toil in drudgery day in, day out</p>— Anton Troynikov (@atroyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/atroyn/status/1014974099930714115?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 5, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[EddytoNow]

Eddy / Bluto,

So answer this...

You are a parent living in a neighborhood with violent gangs.

1) You can travel 1 mile for free and take refuge in a safe, but not rich house.

OR

2) You can pay violent gangs thousands of dollars to take you and your kids on a dangerous 10 mile journey to a safe and rich house.

What do you do? Do you take the closest and least dangerous path to safety, or do you put your kids through much more danger to get to the fancy house?

You would have a point, if those were the only two options. A third option, leaving the neighborhood with your children in tow and finding a home somewhere where violence is not the norm, is the option these parents are choosing. It includes accepting hard, dirty work and long work days that US residents refuse to do. There's a reason farm fields, hotels, restaurants, and the like are filled with immigrants and the sons and daughters of immigrants. And it isn't because they are stealing these wonderful jobs from US citizens.

Your first option would make them a prisoner in the safe, rich house where they would be confined and unable to work to support their family. They would be dependent upon someone else to support them. Leaving the home could result in their death. Your second option (making themselves victims of the violent gangs) is the reason they are fleeing in the first place.

The question for you is: Do you think immigrants and their children are human beings and worthy of being treated in a humane manner?

 

[Irish YJ]

You would have a point, if those were the only two options. A third option, leaving the neighborhood with your children in tow and finding a home somewhere where violence is not the norm, is the option these parents are choosing. It includes accepting hard, dirty work and long work days that US residents refuse to do. There's a reason farm fields, hotels, restaurants, and the like are filled with immigrants and the sons and daughters of immigrants. And it isn't because they are stealing these wonderful jobs from US citizens.

Your first option would make them a prisoner in the safe, rich house where they would be confined and unable to work to support their family. They would be dependent upon someone else to support them. Leaving the home could result in their death. Your second option (making themselves victims of the violent gangs) is the reason they are fleeing in the first place.

The question for you is: Do you think immigrants and their children are human beings and worthy of being treated in a humane manner?

How does option one make them a prisoner? Why couldn't they work in Belize or one of the countries? Belize for instance has low population density, stable economy, a UK protectorate, and safer than most. How would they be a prisoner there?

You say they leave violence by subjecting themselves to violence? That doesn't make sense.

I believe everyone should be treated in a humane manner. That doesn't mean immigrants aren't manipulating the asylum claim for what is actually a search for economic improvement (not all are, but it's intellectually dishonest to suggest a lot are not). And that doesn't mean the US is responsible for all humans. If you want to use the "gang" or "violence" reason, then most of the Central and South America have an excuse to come to America. And it also doesn't mean that immigrants who cross illegally deserve to jump the line of those requesting in a legal manner.

While everyone deserves humane treatment, shouldn't governments be held accountable for keeping a humane and safe environment for it's citizens. And like I asked before, if it's such a humanitarian crisis, why isn't the UN in the Triangle countries? And don't tell me it's because the US likes coke and cheap labor like Bluto said.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Has anyone figured out what the Dems' message/ platform will be in the midterms other than open borders and transgender bathrooms?

 

[NorthDakota]

How does option one make them a prisoner? Why couldn't they work in Belize or one of the countries? Belize for instance has low population density, stable economy, a UK protectorate, and safer than most. How would they be a prisoner there?

You say they leave violence by subjecting themselves to violence? That doesn't make sense.

I believe everyone should be treated in a humane manner. That doesn't mean immigrants aren't manipulating the asylum claim for what is actually a search for economic improvement (not all are, but it's intellectually dishonest to suggest a lot are not). And that doesn't mean the US is responsible for all humans. If you want to use the "gang" or "violence" reason, then most of the Central and South America have an excuse to come to America. And it also doesn't mean that immigrants who cross illegally deserve to jump the line of those requesting in a legal manner.

While everyone deserves humane treatment, shouldn't governments be held accountable for keeping a humane and safe environment for it's citizens. And like I asked before, if it's such a humanitarian crisis, why isn't the UN in the Triangle countries? And don't tell me it's because the US likes coke and cheap labor like Bluto said.

Yep. They can go to other countries much closer and less risky to get to. They also are culturally very similar. Religion, language, ethnicity, overall culture is going to be pretty similar.

If they want to move to a safer country while they wait to get legally accepted into the United States, I'd encourage that, provided they play by that country's rules as well. You do not just get to move wherever you want whenever you want. That's not how this game works. The sad thing is, they make it harder on legal immigrants because now Joe the Plumber is going to associate the Hispanic community with illegally coming to the United States.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Yep. They can go to other countries much closer and less risky to get to. They also are culturally very similar. Religion, language, ethnicity, overall culture is going to be pretty similar.

If they want to move to a safer country while they wait to get legally accepted into the United States, I'd encourage that, provided they play by that country's rules as well. You do not just get to move wherever you want whenever you want. That's not how this game works. The sad thing is, they make it harder on legal immigrants because now Joe the Plumber is going to associate the Hispanic community with illegally coming to the United States.

Don't tell Eddy that. He either hasn't read the 1951 Refugee Convention or just refuses to acknowledge the stipulations that came from it.

If someone is claiming asylum, that's fine. They go to the next neighboring country absent of conflict.

 

[Irish YJ]

Has anyone figured out what the Dems' message/ platform will be in the midterms other than open borders and transgender bathrooms?

Don't forget about "free shit for everyone"

Yep. They can go to other countries much closer and less risky to get to. They also are culturally very similar. Religion, language, ethnicity, overall culture is going to be pretty similar.

If they want to move to a safer country while they wait to get legally accepted into the United States, I'd encourage that, provided they play by that country's rules as well. You do not just get to move wherever you want whenever you want. That's not how this game works. The sad thing is, they make it harder on legal immigrants because now Joe the Plumber is going to associate the Hispanic community with illegally coming to the United States.

We aren't responsible for the world.
If it's such a humanitarian crisis, the UN should be there. But they are not.

Don't tell Eddy that. He either hasn't read the 1951 Refugee Convention or just refuses to acknowledge the stipulations that came from it.

If someone is claiming asylum, that's fine. They go to the next neighboring country absent of conflict.

Don't confuse people with facts.

 

[Irish YJ]

Democratic Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez draws Bronx cheer for misleading campaign bio
Democratic Socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez draws Bronx cheer for misleading campaign bio | Fox News

LOL. I wonder if she's part native American too....

 

[drayer54]

Has anyone figured out what the Dems' message/ platform will be in the midterms other than open borders and transgender bathrooms?

1) Make MS-13 Great again.

2) Raise Taxes

3) Trump is literally worse than Hitler

4) Get rid of the guns.

5) Open Borders.

6) Free Stuff

7) Court packing

8) Resume boosting Iranian regime

9) Promotion of tolerance and love (with those whom we agree)

10) Absolish ICE

 

[Irish YJ]

1) Make MS-13 Great again.

2) Raise Taxes

3) Trump is literally worse than Hitler

4) Get rid of the guns.

5) Open Borders.

6) Free Stuff

7) Court packing

8) Resume boosting Iranian regime

9) Promotion of tolerance and love (with those whom we agree)

10) Absolish ICE

11. Nationalize Fox News

12. Free NATO for everyone

13. Increase the trade deficit

14. Make Government Big Again

15. Free email servers for everyone

16. Subsidies to Cartels smuggling illegals

17. 5 Star Asylum resorts at all southern ports of entry connected by a Central American Bullet Train.

18. Increase the number of SCOTUSs to 20, FDR style.

19. Free paper straws for everyone.

20. Lots and lots of more free stuff.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Pelosi is a gift who keeps on giving.

 

[ACamp1900]

Has anyone figured out what the Dems' message/ platform will be in the midterms other than open borders and transgender bathrooms?

In all honesty I think it's pretty apparent they are tripling down on the old "they are sub human, racist deplorables who hate everyone,... why support them when we love everything and everyone?" narrative.

 

[Irish YJ]

Pelosi is a gift who keeps on giving.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In an interview with Rolling Stone, Nancy Pelosi can't remember Mitch McConnell's name. <br><br>Someone please tell her "whatshisname, the one who's head of the Senate" is about to confirm another Justice onto the Supreme Court.<a href="https://t.co/0FgVQWWodx">https://t.co/0FgVQWWodx</a> <a href="https://t.co/dsrpaqQafa">pic.twitter.com/dsrpaqQafa</a></p>— Matt Gorman (@mattsgorman) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattsgorman/status/1016386786661191687?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 9, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Her best days are definitely behind here. I think that TDS does strange shit to people. Mad Maxine frequently has the same problem.

 

[Irish YJ]

In all honesty I think it's pretty apparent they are tripling down on the old "they are sub human, racist deplorables who hate everyone,... why support them when we love everything and everyone," narrative.

You can probably simplify it to: "vote for us, and the sky won't fall"

 

[wizards8507]

You can probably simplify it to: "vote for us, and the sky won't fall"

We survived the Great Net Neutrality Repeal and the Paris Climate Agreement Withdrawal of 2017. We can survive anything. Hell, we even got through tax cuts with relatively minor maimings.

 

[Irish YJ]

We survived the Great Net Neutrality Repeal and the Paris Climate Agreement Withdrawal of 2017. We can survive anything. Hell, we even got through tax cuts with relatively minor maimings.

But Wiz, THE SKY IS FALLING. PEOPLE WILL DIE.

 

[Bishop2b5]

But Wiz, THE SKY IS FALLING. PEOPLE WILL DIE.

It'll also be THE END OF DEMOCRACY and THEY'LL TAKE AWAY ALL OUR RIGHTS!

 

[Irish YJ]

It'll also be THE END OF DEMOCRACY and THEY'LL TAKE AWAY ALL OUR RIGHTS!

There is no end to the crazy crap I'm seeing. I even saw one lib talking about Trump killing the 22nd amendment (term limit) if he wins in 2020.

 

[NorthDakota]

There is no end to the crazy crap I'm seeing. I even saw one lib talking about Trump killing the 22nd amendment (term limit) if he wins in 2020.

The panic coming from these people is just so bizarre. I get disagreeing with his policies and such, he gives plenty of ammo to disagree with. But to just make up crazy weird shirt that makes no sense as you go along....odd.

 

[Irish YJ]

The panic coming from these people is just so bizarre. I get disagreeing with his policies and such, he gives plenty of ammo to disagree with. But to just make up crazy weird shirt that makes no sense as you go along....odd.

when you have no message, and have lost the middle class, you rely on identity politics and panic....

Can we just boot Cali and NY from the union and get back to normalcy.

 

[Irish YJ]

Pelosi calls questions about her leadership 'sexist' | Fox News

No Nancy, it's not sexist. You're ineffective and your own party want's to move on without you. But please stick around and continue to weigh them down. We love you.

 

[NorthDakota]

when you have no message, and have lost the middle class, you rely on identity politics and panic....

Can we just boot Cali and NY from the union and get back to normalcy.

There is a fairly good chance I'm moving up to the Empire State in the next 18 months so....I'd prefer keeping them around. Cali can go.

 

[Irish YJ]

There is a fairly good chance I'm moving up to the Empire State in the next 18 months so....I'd prefer keeping them around. Cali can go.

Sorry to hear about that lol. Are you moving to NYC or somewhere a little more pleasant?

 

[Irish YJ]

dem on dem violence

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alexandria, the race is over and Democrats need to come together. I’ve made my support for you clear and the fact that I’m not running. We’ve scheduled phone calls and your team has not followed through. I’d like to connect but I’m not willing to air grievances on Twitter. <a href="https://t.co/hxEeWEpI2O">https://t.co/hxEeWEpI2O</a></p>— Joe Crowley (@JoeCrowleyNY) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeCrowleyNY/status/1017404605133553665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLax]

Relevant to the Democratic Socialist referenced above and some good food for thought on the fact that communism/socialism in their purest forms has never worked anywhere. There are socialist principles that are worth discussing and potentially adopting, but true socialism would be a disaster. I bolded some interesting points -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffre...dic-countries-are-not-socialist/#637dda8274ad

As the American left embraces a platform that continues to look more and more like a socialist’s dream, it is common for those on the right to counter with the example of Venezuela as the nightmare of socialism in reality. A common response from the left is that socialism (or democratic socialism) works just fine in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. It is certainly true that Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark are notable economic successes. What is false is that these countries are particularly socialist.

The myth of Nordic socialism is partially created by a confusion between socialism, meaning government exerting control or ownership of businesses, and the welfare state in the form of government-provided social safety net programs. However, the left’s embrace of socialism is not merely a case of redefining a word. Simply look at the long-running affinity of leftists with socialist dictators in Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela for proof many on the left long for real socialism.

To the extent that the left wants to point to an example of successful socialism, not just generous welfare states, the Nordic countries are actually a poor case to cite. Regardless of the perception, in reality the Nordic countries practice mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.

First, it is worth noting that the Nordic counties were economic successes before they built their welfare states. Those productive economies, generating good incomes for their workers, allowed the governments to raise the tax revenue needed to pay for the social benefits. It was not the government benefits that created wealth, but wealth that allowed the luxury of such generous government programs.

Second, as evidence of the lack of government interference in business affairs, there is the fact that none of these countries have minimum wage laws. Unions are reasonably powerful in many industries and negotiate contracts, but the government does nothing to ensure any particular outcome from those negotiations. Workers are paid what they are worth, not based on government’s perception of what is fair.

A third example of Nordic commitment to free markets can be found in Sweden which has complete school choice. The government provides families with vouchers for each child. These vouchers can be used to attend regular public schools, government-run charter schools, or private, for-profit schools. Clearly, the use of government funds to pay for private, for-profit schools is the opposite of socialism.

We can also confirm these isolated facts by looking at a comprehensive measure of capitalism relative to socialism. The Fraser Institute, a Vancouver-based, pro-free market, think tank, compiles a worldwide ranking of countries called the economic freedom index. Its website explains that its ranking “is an effort to identify how closely the institutions and policies of a country correspond with a limited government ideal, where the government protects property rights and arranges for the provision of a limited set of “public goods” such as national defense and access to money of sound value, but little beyond these core functions.” Clearly, a socialist country should perform poorly in any ranking based on these principles.

What we find, however, is the Nordic countries rank quite high on this index of economic freedom. In fact, while Hong Kong and Singapore top the list and the U.S. ranks 12th, we can find the Nordic countries in quite respectable rankings. Denmark ranks 15, Finland 17, Norway 25, and Sweden 27. In terms of numerical scores, Sweden is only 5% lower than the U.S. For further comparison, South Korea and Japan, both considered fairly pro-free market, rank 32 and 39, respectively.

Socialism can take the form of government controlling or interfering with free markets, nationalizing industries, and subsidizing favored ones (green energy, anyone?). The Nordic countries don’t actually do much of those things. Yes, they offer government-paid healthcare, in some cases tuition-free university educations, and rather generous social safety nets, all financed with high taxes. However, it is possible to do these things without interfering in the private sector more than required. It is allowing businesses to be productive that produces the high corporate and personal incomes that support the tax collections making the government benefits feasible. The Nordic countries are smart enough not to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

If the left insists on naming a system of generous government benefits combined with a free market democratic socialism, I cannot stop them. That seems unnecessarily confusing since the government is actually running no industries other than education (and meddling somewhat in healthcare). It certainly isn’t socialism. In fact, the only reason most such countries can afford those benefits is that their market economies are so productive they can cover the expense of the government’s generosity. Perhaps a better name for what the Nordic countries practice would be compassionate capitalism.

 

[Bluto]

Relevant to the Democratic Socialist referenced above and some good food for thought on the fact that communism/socialism in their purest forms has never worked anywhere. There are socialist principles that are worth discussing and potentially adopting, but true socialism would be a disaster. I bolded some interesting points -- https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffre...dic-countries-are-not-socialist/#637dda8274ad

Good article. Thanks for posting.

 

[Irish YJ]

LOL at the people who say the DOJ is not at all political. Even MSNBC agree the timing of the DOJ today is political.

At the same time, they are saying Russia began targeted hack attempts of HRCs campaign the day Trump gave a press conference and sarcastically said that Russia should go after the "lost" 30k HRC emails, and said the press would thank them lol.

Collusion via press conference.


Aside from all the political silliness, the DOJ hopefully gave Trump all the fact and data prior to his trip so he can use it in his meeting with Putin. If not, it's a shameful politically timed attention grabber.