Politics

[Irish YJ]

I didn't necessarily mean sides of the aisle. Hell, I agree with conservatives on issues (mostly economic), but I'm also for stuff like the death penalty.

Praet couldn't pick sides on core views. I recall his mindset being extremely open. Some may say "that's great, nothing is black and white," which is true. But, I tend to have core beliefs which keep me (I hope) consistent in arguments.

For instance, I believe in the freedom and application of death as a part of life (or justice) so I believe in:

1. Abortion
2. The Death Penalty
3. Medical Aid in Dying

Some of those are lefty beliefs, some are righty. Either way, it's consistent with my worldview.

I definitely have core beliefs, but I'm always open to learning and hearing other's positions. Never too old for personal growth. And I'm also willing to compromise on a lot of crap (not all) in the interest of bringing folks together and solving problems.

I'm also for the Death Penalty and Medical Aid in Dying. I'm also OK with abortion to a certain extent, in certain circumstance. I'm disgusted with, and against late term and dismemberment abortion. I'm also against abortion as a repeated means of birth control for people who are too f'ing lazy or stupid to use birth control. I also believe birth control should be freely available and easily gotten.

I think we'd have as much in common as apart.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I didn't necessarily mean sides of the aisle. Hell, I agree with conservatives on issues (mostly economic), but I'm also for stuff like the death penalty.

Praet couldn't pick sides on core views. I recall his mindset being extremely open. Some may say "that's great, nothing is black and white," which is true. But, I tend to have core beliefs which keep me (I hope) consistent in arguments.

For instance, I believe in the freedom and application of death as a part of life (or justice) so I believe in:

1. Abortion
2. The Death Penalty
3. Medical Aid in Dying

Some of those are lefty beliefs, some are righty. Either way, it's consistent with my worldview.

I totally get where you're coming from on this and agree with you about needing to have some set of core beliefs that you feel are at least internally consistent. I'm very similar to you in that many of mine come from opposite ends of the political spectrum, but they're logically consistent to me at least.

 

[ickythump1225]

I didn't necessarily mean sides of the aisle. Hell, I agree with conservatives on issues (mostly economic), but I'm also for stuff like the death penalty.

Praet couldn't pick sides on core views. I recall his mindset being extremely open. Some may say "that's great, nothing is black and white," which is true. But, I tend to have core beliefs which keep me (I hope) consistent in arguments.

For instance, I believe in the freedom and application of death as a part of life (or justice) so I believe in:

1. Abortion
2. The Death Penalty
3. Medical Aid in Dying

Some of those are lefty beliefs, some are righty. Either way, it's consistent with my worldview.

I respect that. I do have to ask, and I do NOT mean this in a d!ick way so please don't misunderstand, but you often preach about "Notre Dame core values" and all of that. How do you personally reconcile support for abortion and euthanasia with the mission statement and core values of a Catholic university considering the Catholic Church is decidedly pro-life womb to tomb? Again just asking, not trying to rile.

 

[NorthDakota]

My key values are pretty straight forward.

1. Pro-Life - won't vote for anyone who won't try to advance it. Was skeptical Don would. He's been good at reading his base there.
2. Gun rights - without this right, we succumb to government. They are supposed to fear us, not the other way around
3. Freedom of Religion - no government law should be able to force me to go against my religion. The flag of the Vatican means a hell of a lot more than 50 stars and some stripes.

I don't like the death penalty either but 1-3 are more important to me.

 

[SonofOahu]

I respect that. I do have to ask, and I do NOT mean this in a d!ick way so please don't misunderstand, but you often preach about "Notre Dame core values" and all of that. How do you personally reconcile support for abortion and euthanasia with the mission statement and core values of a Catholic university considering the Catholic Church is decidedly pro-life womb to tomb? Again just asking, not trying to rile.

Thanks for an honest question, here's my honest answer: ND stands for much more than just religion. I'm somewhere between atheism and agnosticism, but ND never made me feel like I was out of place. ND "preached" morality, ethics, unity and acceptance, but it did so without going into gospel, scripture, etc. ND accepts all types: Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, and heathens. Some of my closest friends from the program are exactly those. ND brought us together, and never looked back.

The church and the educational institution, although intertwined, do not run (much) interference with each other (purely my take, I'm sure faculty or others may disagree.) Sure, campus life is decidedly less sexy than somewhere like Wiscy-Madison, but it's fun enough for people to get along and get through the brutal work and brutal weather. Father Jenkins and the rest of the administration has been fairly open-minded and modern, like the current Pope. To me, ND will always be "We Are", not "We Are Catholics".

 

[ickythump1225]

Thanks for an honest question, here's my honest answer: ND stands for much more than just religion. I'm somewhere between atheism and agnosticism, but ND never made me feel like I was out of place. ND "preached" morality, ethics, unity and acceptance, but it did so without going into gospel, scripture, etc. ND accepts all types: Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Mormons, and heathens. Some of my closest friends from the program are exactly those. ND brought us together, and never looked back.

The church and the educational institution, although intertwined, do not run (much) interference with each other (purely my take, I'm sure faculty or others may disagree.) Sure, campus life is decidedly less sexy than somewhere like Wiscy-Madison, but it's fun enough for people to get along and get through the brutal work and brutal weather. Father Jenkins and the rest of the administration has been fairly open-minded and modern, like the current Pope. To me, ND will always be "We Are", not "We Are Catholics".

Fair enough.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This short passage by Chesterton is a neat summary of Catholic politics.

 

[NorthDakota]

This short passage by Chesterton is a neat summary of Catholic politics.

They murdered mine. Literally murdered. No... i'm not gonna sit by carelessly while MY tribe gets murdered. My mom hasn't spoken to her brother for over ten years. He is dead.

 

[loomis41973]

They murdered mine. Literally murdered. No... i'm not gonna sit by carelessly while MY tribe gets murdered. My mom hasn't spoken to her brother for over ten years. He is dead.

Amen, brother.

 

[pkt77242]

If the left caved on the stupid wall, the right would likely cave far on some of their ideas and maybe a rational solution would result. Of course, it would include a wall. Both sides could go home and take something to point at as a victory.

Immigration is down the list for me. I don't see why it's such a big deal. I get that we need to control the border and crime... but we act like it yuuuuuuge.

The wall is dumb as fuck. I will gladly give you more spending on border security (sensors, cameras, etc) but a wall is just something that costs $25 Billion to start with and then you have to upkeep it and since it is worthless as far as stopping people, we would still have to invest in more high tech solutions.

 

[SonofOahu]

The wall is dumb as fuck. I will gladly give you more spending on border security (sensors, cameras, etc) but a wall is just something that costs $25 Billion to start with and then you have to upkeep it and since it is worthless as far as stopping people, we would still have to invest in more high tech solutions.

But Trump can't give/get paybacks on high-tech. His connections (and debts) exist with those who build physical structures.

 

[Irish YJ]

But Trump can't give/get paybacks on high-tech. His connections (and debts) exist with those who build physical structures.

lol... i'm sure he could invest wherever the money goes if that was the driver.

Perhaps he can build some posh detention centers suitable for housing entire family units? Coming to El Paso soon

Hitting the pillow Oahu. Give it hell lol.

 

[SonofOahu]

lol... i'm sure he could invest wherever the money goes if that was the driver.

Perhaps he can build some posh detention centers suitable for housing entire family units? Coming to El Paso soon

Hitting the pillow Oahu. Give it hell lol.

Sweet dreams, brother!

 

[Legacy]

House narrowly approves farm bill that could cut food stamps to millions of low-income Americans (CNBC)

-The House narrowly approved an $867 billion farm bill in a 213-211 vote but it contains provisions not included in the Senate version that could spell trouble in conference.
-The bill has controversial provisions that could stop millions from receiving food stamps and toughen work requirements for program participants.
-This marked the second attempt by the House to pass the farm legislation since an effort failed last month, due to an immigration squabble among Republicans.

The farm bill covers everything from farm subsidies and food stamps to trade and rural development policy. Farmer assistance includes commodity payment programs, as well as subsidized crop insurance. The bill is usually renewed every five years, and the current version is set to expire Sept. 30.

"Passage of a long-term Farm Bill allows farmers and ranchers to plan ahead and make decisions to improve their business," said Rep. David Valadao, R-Calif., in a release. He represents a congressional district in California's Central Valley, a region known for its extensive agriculture production.

"Passage of the House farm bill today is a big win for America's farmers and ranchers," American Farm Bureau Federation President Zippy Duvall said in a statement. "Our grassroots Farm Bureau members clearly made their voices heard. By approving the 2018 Farm Bill today, members of the House recognized the serious economic challenges facing farmers and ranchers across the country."

Duvall also noted they would work to address solutions for the very serious ag labor shortage, increasing market opportunities for trade and cutting regulations.

Fox News describes it as a "subsidy-packed farm bill" with

major subsidies, particularly for soybean, wheat, cotton, rice, corn, and peanut farmers -- leading some critics to deride the legislation as little more than a substitution of food stamps with so-called "corporate welfare."

The House farm bill would exempt operations structured as limited liability corporations and S corporations from a $125,000 cap on commodity subsidies and a $900,000 adjusted gross income limit to qualify for those payments.
House legislation would allow additional family members to qualify for commodity subsidies, including first cousins, nieces and nephews.

Environmentalists say farm bill includes rollbacks on the Clean Water Act requirements as it relates to pesticides by easing rules on permits. They also called out provisions in the legislation that would speed up logging and mining in forests.

With concessions to the Freedom Caucus, the House bill passed on its second attempt with a two vote margin. This is the first time that a farm bill has been passed with only one party's support. The Senate bill has none of these provisions and would not change SNAP benefits. Sixty votes will be needed to pass Senate bills, requiring bipartisan support.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/obamas-cybersecurity-coordinator-confirms-susan-rice-ordered-stand-down-russian-meddling-2016-election

Obama's cybersecurity coordinator confirms Susan Rice ordered him to 'stand down' on Russian meddling

 

[zelezo vlk]

Oh snap lmao

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Of course there are, Austin. I myself once asked Cecile whether abortion was protected by the First Amendment because it is a sacrifice offered to Moloch. But this sort of thing isn't the public face of the movement.</p>— Matthew Walther (@matthewwalther) <a href="https://twitter.com/matthewwalther/status/1010175348447825920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Irish YJ]

you just can't make this shit up....

Dennis Hof likely to win NV legislature seat.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-religion-brothels/in-age-of-trump-evangelicals-back-self-styled-top-u-s-pimp-idUSKBN1JI1A9

 

[BGIF]

you just can't make this shit up....

Dennis Hof likely to win NV legislature seat.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-religion-brothels/in-age-of-trump-evangelicals-back-self-styled-top-u-s-pimp-idUSKBN1JI1A9

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

 

[Irish YJ]

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

I'd love to see the debate with him and his opponent. Can you imagine the victory party? Air Force Amy buying votes one, or well maybe two or three at a time.... HBO should have done a documentary about this...

I get it, small area, the town loves the ranch, but still SMH....

 

[ickythump1225]

“I’m kind of rich, I’m kind of famous, and I’m surrounded by hot chicks. I don’t give a damn what anybody says about me,” Hof said.

The secret to life.

 

[Irish YJ]

waiting on 2024 battle of:

Robert De Niro / Kathy Griffin
vs
Kim Kardashian / Dennis Huf

 

[loomis41973]

ANTHING to kill the deep state...Trump is step #1.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.883a5ef944cd

The Southern Poverty Law Center has lost all credibility

 

[ACamp1900]

Let’s party like it’s 1999..... that title sure seems like it.

 

[connor_in]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.883a5ef944cd

The fact that its the Washington Post saying this is something in and of itself.

 

[Irish YJ]

Let’s party like it’s 1999..... that title sure seems like it.

Exactly. I'm still pissed they booted some Christian orgs off of Amazon.

The fact that its the Washington Post saying this is something in and of itself.

Can you believe it? Actually while WAPO is incredibly left, every once in a while they let a republican publish an opinion. The guy that wrote that piece was a speech writer for Bush.

 

[Irish YJ]

Sarah Sanders says she was thrown out of Virginia restaurant because she works for Trump | Fox News

So it's OK to refuse service based on which sides of the aisle you sit on due to "moral grounds", but not OK to refuse service based on religious moral belief? Got it. Check.

 

[NorthDakota]

Sarah Sanders says she was thrown out of Virginia restaurant because she works for Trump | Fox News

So it's OK to refuse service based on which sides of the aisle you sit on due to "moral grounds", but not OK to refuse service based on religious moral belief? Got it. Check.

I don't care if they ask her to leave. I think that's a bold move in the south... and could cause a lot more trouble than it's worth.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don't care if they ask her to leave. I think that's a bold move in the south... and could cause a lot more trouble than it's worth.

IMO a private business should be able to refuse service to anyone, regardless of the reason. They also need to be OK with any ramifications or loss of business that comes from that refusal. I just hate the hypocrisy.

 

[Irish YJ]

Burger King refuses to serve uniformed officers, Louisiana police department claims | Fox News

Hey copper, no whopper for you.
Can't to see what happens when they need the police.