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[pkt77242]

Ala. chief justice defies high court gay-marriage ruling

 

[NDVirginia19]

I just hate that, the higher court has already set the precedent that same sex marriage bans are unconstitutional, fighting it now judicially is just pointless and really takes away any argument that that judge has that he is against same sex marriage for a reason other than the fact that he doesn't like gay people.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Reports of rape by Muslim men in Germany on New Years' Eve. Germany is set to bring in 1.1 million "migrants" in 2016.

Cologne sexual assaults: British girl describes seeing screaming women being attacked on New Year's Eve | Europe | News | The Independent

A guy with a knife runs into a French police station screaming "alluha akbar."

Man in Fake Explosives Vest Killed Amid High Paris Tension - ABC News

These just surfaced recently. Europe has seen it. We have had San Bernardino, Boston and Fort Hood in the past few years. And that doesn't include the thwarted attacks.

Unless crazy people are running around burning mosques to the ground, the word "Islamophobia" is being used only to pretend there isn't a big problem on our hands.

 

[woolybug25]

oh my...

Asked at a town hall meeting what his administration was doing to combat the state's drug issues, LePage referenced new legislation aimed at traffickers, then delivered what many are describing as a racially-charged explanation.

"These aren't the people who take drugs," LePage said, in comments first reported by the Portland Press Herald. "These are guys with the name D-Money, Smoothie, Shifty. These type of guys. They come from Connecticut and New York, they come up here, they sell their heroin, then they go back home. Incidentally, half the time they impregnate a young, white girl before they leave, which is a real sad thing because then we have another issue we've go to deal with down the road."

Maine gov uses racially-charged language on drug epidemic - CNNPolitics.com

 

[NDVirginia19]

He was this close.... all he had to do was leave out the word white and he wouldn't have to go up on that podium sometime in the next 48 hours and do his apology.

 

[IrishLax]

That's not even sorta-racist. That's really fucking racist.

 

[tussin]

Any thoughts on the town hall?

 

[irishff1014]

oh my...



Maine gov uses racially-charged language on drug epidemic - CNNPolitics.com

How stupid can one be?

He clearly has very little knowledge about heroin. Heroin effects all races, rich and poor.

 

[pkt77242]

I have zero issue with ensuring that everyone who buys a gun passes a background check.

I do find it humorous (and sad) that American citizens will go through more "screenings" and "checks" to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights than most of the migrants we're bringing in and the millions of illegals who have already crossed our borders.

Really? I am pretty sure that the migrants go through significantly more screening. Have you seen the screening that the refugees will go through?

 

[phgreek]

Reports of rape by Muslim men in Germany on New Years' Eve. Germany is set to bring in 1.1 million "migrants" in 2016.

Cologne sexual assaults: British girl describes seeing screaming women being attacked on New Year's Eve | Europe | News | The Independent

A guy with a knife runs into a French police station screaming "alluha akbar."

Man in Fake Explosives Vest Killed Amid High Paris Tension - ABC News

These just surfaced recently. Europe has seen it. We have had San Bernardino, Boston and Fort Hood in the past few years. And that doesn't include the thwarted attacks.

Unless crazy people are running around burning mosques to the ground, the word "Islamophobia" is being used only to pretend there isn't a big problem on our hands.

Burried...no one wants to know, and have people decide for themselves what issues to worry about. I just read an entire article over on the 2016 pres thread where apparently its better to be a dumb ass with no desire to know anything than to be politically "wrong" and try to be informed. This country is screwed up.

 

[pkt77242]

Burried...no one wants to know, and have people decide for themselves what issues to worry about. I just read an entire article over on the 2016 pres thread where apparently its better to be a dumb ass with no desire to know anything than to be politically "wrong" and try to be informed. This country is screwed up.

Except that isn't what the article said. Nice try though. Misinformed people aren't trying to be informed, they (both sides, Republican and Democrat) seek out opinions that are similar to theirs to validate their previously held opinions. There is nothing about being politically wrong, the article just discusses Trumps followers and why he has had such staying power. Misinformed people have a tendency to be on both extremes (liberal and conservative) but the article only deals with Trump because everyone is still wondering how he is still in the race.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Really? I am pretty sure that the migrants go through significantly more screening. Have you seen the screening that the refugees will go through?

Most people's (including my own) gripes with the Syrian refugees coming in is that there really is no reliable way to screen many of these people trying to gain access to our country. Where do we get records? The country has been in the throws of civil war for almost five years now, how can we be sure that the information that we have on people is up to date? And if it is "legitimate" government documents that refugees have, how do we know that those government officials were not paid off? I think many people who are hesitant to accept droves of refugees are often discredited for being afraid of boogeymen or being xenophobic, when in reality there is plenty of red flags to raise concern.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Any thoughts on the town hall?

 

[BGIF]

Really? I am pretty sure that the migrants go through significantly more screening. Have you seen the screening that the refugees will go through?

Is it as good as the screening Tashfeen Malik went through?

 

[phgreek]

Except that isn't what the article said. Nice try though. Misinformed people aren't trying to be informed, they (both sides, Republican and Democrat) seek out opinions that are similar to theirs to validate their previously held opinions. There is nothing about being politically wrong, the article just discusses Trumps followers and why he has had such staying power. Misinformed people have a tendency to be on both extremes (liberal and conservative) but the article only deals with Trump because everyone is still wondering how he is still in the race.

really, ... I don't think you can say that in a blanket statement at all.

"So, there are many cases in which it makes more sense for politicians to encourage people to stay misinformed rather than try to provide them with accurate information."

...and "New work by Jennifer Hochschild of Harvard and Katherine Levine Einstein of Boston University found that there are incentives for politicians to keep citizens both misinformed and politically active."


Seems to me they are saying misinformed people seek information. But yea they get screwed over enough from politicians, even of their own persuasion, they look for someone who isn't a politician.


and as for my observation ...

The entire premise of focusing on Trump, identifying whiter, slightly older, and less educated, and then focusing TOTALLY on misinformed (whom they've previously identified with words like whiter, older, less educated, strong partisan) I think we know we are talking conservative folks here...and then painting them as delusional by saying

"Once these inferences are stored into memory, they become “indistinguishable from hard data,” Kuklinski and his colleagues found." ...and when misinformed citizens are told that their facts are wrong, they often cling to their opinions even more strongly with what is known as defensive processing, or the “backfire effect.”.

...nah, no intent to paint political wrong or right... good guys bad guys, nah, nuthin like that at all.

further...

"American citizens with incorrect information can be divided into two groups, the misinformed and the uninformed. The difference between the two is stark. "

OK...at this point I'm thinking...now we are going to get a lesson in the difference between Misinformed and uninformed...except uninformed is largely ignored and misinformed, now tied to white, older, less educated trump, conservative gets the full proctological exam... Crazy to take away that the point is, one is annoying maybe...the other is certainly bad.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Is it as good as the screening Tashfeen Malik went through?

Two refugees arrested on terror-related charges - CNN.com

Or these two "refugees"?

Hopefully so. But again, even with the so called "improved" procedures, there is still no way to fully vet refugees as many have already alluded to in the thread discussion.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Two refugees arrested on terror-related charges - CNN.com

Or these two "refugees"?

Hopefully so. But again, even with the so called "improved" procedures, there is still no way to fully vet refugees as many have already alluded to in the thread discussion.

Funny...when the left talks about the "refugees" we get pictures of 3 year olds. In reality, we in the US we get San Bernardino and Boston, while the Germans are getting a bunch of sexually frustrated, military age men who don't respect women and think nothing in their society is going to change.

 

[woolybug25]

Funny...when the left talks about the "refugees" we get pictures of 3 year olds. In reality, we in the US we get San Bernardino and Boston, while the Germans are getting a bunch of sexually frustrated, military age men who don't respect women and think nothing in their society is going to change.

Why do you keep using San Bernardino and Boston in your refugee arguments? Neither were Syrian nor refugees.

 

[Cackalacky]

oh my...



Maine gov uses racially-charged language on drug epidemic - CNNPolitics.com

He was this close.... all he had to do was leave out the word white and he wouldn't have to go up on that podium sometime in the next 48 hours and do his apology.

That's not even sorta-racist. That's really fucking racist.

 

[woolybug25]

That's not even sorta-racist. That's really fucking racist.

I know, right? The worst part wasn't even the " impregnate a young, white girl before they leave" part... it was the fact that he made the claim that the mixed race baby would now be a problem in the future. lol

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Funny...when the left talks about the "refugees" we get pictures of 3 year olds. In reality, we in the US we get San Bernardino and Boston, while the Germans are getting a bunch of sexually frustrated, military age men who don't respect women and think nothing in their society is going to change.

Here are some data on the demographics of the refugees.

Facts about the Syrian Refugees

President Obama says the “overwhelming numbers” of Syrian refugees referred to the U.S. by the U.N. have been women and children. That’s true — 67 percent have been children under the age of 12 and women, according to State Department data.

ETA more data:

Syria Regional Refugee Response - Regional Overview

There are more children under 11 (about 39%) than there are males between 18 and 59 (21.5%).

 

[Ndaccountant]

Richest U.S. Schools Could Lose Tax Status in Endowment Proposal - Bloomberg Business
Interesting idea.....I will be following this....

 

[pkt77242]

really, ... I don't think you can say that in a blanket statement at all.

"So, there are many cases in which it makes more sense for politicians to encourage people to stay misinformed rather than try to provide them with accurate information."

...and "New work by Jennifer Hochschild of Harvard and Katherine Levine Einstein of Boston University found that there are incentives for politicians to keep citizens both misinformed and politically active."


Seems to me they are saying misinformed people seek information. But yea they get screwed over enough from politicians, even of their own persuasion, they look for someone who isn't a politician.


and as for my observation ...

The entire premise of focusing on Trump, identifying whiter, slightly older, and less educated, and then focusing TOTALLY on misinformed (whom they've previously identified with words like whiter, older, less educated, strong partisan) I think we know we are talking conservative folks here...and then painting them as delusional by saying

"Once these inferences are stored into memory, they become “indistinguishable from hard data,” Kuklinski and his colleagues found." ...and when misinformed citizens are told that their facts are wrong, they often cling to their opinions even more strongly with what is known as defensive processing, or the “backfire effect.”.

...nah, no intent to paint political wrong or right... good guys bad guys, nah, nuthin like that at all.

further...

"American citizens with incorrect information can be divided into two groups, the misinformed and the uninformed. The difference between the two is stark. "

OK...at this point I'm thinking...now we are going to get a lesson in the difference between Misinformed and uninformed...except uninformed is largely ignored and misinformed, now tied to white, older, less educated trump, conservative gets the full proctological exam... Crazy to take away that the point is, one is annoying maybe...the other is certainly bad.

1. I think that you are not reading the article fairly. Misinformed voters are heavily discussed because they article is about Trump and Trump's staying power. Trump has a larger proportion of supporters who are misinformed. Misinformed voters are then discussed so people can understand why their support of Trump means that Trump will have staying power.

2. Only conservative misinformed voters (who generally happen to be white, with less education, and older) are discussed in this article because the article is about Trump. There are liberal misinformed voters but they are not discussed because this article is about Trump.

3. Uniformed voters aren't heavily discussed because that isn't from where Trump's staying power comes.

4. This is the telling passage about misinformed voters.

while those who are misinformed have information that conflicts with the best evidence and expert opinion. As Kuklinski and his colleagues established, in the U.S., the most misinformed citizens tend to be the most confident in their views and are also the strongest partisans. These folks fill the gaps in their knowledge base by using their existing belief systems. Once these inferences are stored into memory, they become “indistinguishable from hard data,” Kuklinski and his colleagues found.

Furthermore, in 2010, political scientists Brendan Nyhan1 and Jason Reifler2 found that when misinformed citizens are told that their facts are wrong, they often cling to their opinions even more strongly with what is known as defensive processing, or the “backfire effect.”

Strong partisans are more likely to participate in the primary process, making it also likely that at least some highly engaged primary voters are also confidently misinformed and unwilling to accept contradictory evidence.

Telltale signs of misinformation, for example, were on display in a focus group of Trump supporters run by Republican media consultant Frank Luntz. Not only did negative information about Trump that was presented by Luntz to the group strengthen support for the candidate, participants held on more confidently to their misinformation as the session progressed. As Nyhan and Reifler’s research suggests, attempts to present corrections and generate counterarguments to the group’s beliefs only strengthened their opinions. The persistent claims by Trump and his supporters that his critics are too concerned with political correctness is a good example of this psychological process at work.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Here are some data on the demographics of the refugees.

Facts about the Syrian Refugees



ETA more data:

Syria Regional Refugee Response - Regional Overview

There are more children under 11 (about 39%) than there are males between 18 and 59 (21.5%).

While we may not perceive young children as a threat, neither did Denmark years ago. Sadly, it was those young children that grew up in Denmark and became radicalized along the way. And if Denmark could not assimilate refugees, immigrants into their society after billions spent to do so, why would we think the US or anyone else can? Furthermore, it has become very clear that there is no process that determine if a refugee is actually a terrorist or a radical sympathizer. So, just taking the 21.5% males between the ages of 18 and 59, are we comfortable basically letting them in knowing that they may be a danger to our country? I am not.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Islamic State member executes his mother in Syria - monitor | Reuters

 

[IrishJayhawk]

While we may not perceive young children as a threat, neither did Denmark years ago. Sadly, it was those young children that grew up in Denmark and became radicalized along the way. And if Denmark could not assimilate refugees, immigrants into their society after billions spent to do so, why would we think the US or anyone else can? Furthermore, it has become very clear that there is no process that determine if a refugee is actually a terrorist or a radical sympathizer. So, just taking the 21.5% males between the ages of 18 and 59, are we comfortable basically letting them in knowing that they may be a danger to our country? I am not.

I was responding to a specific post. He referenced San Bernardino and Boston (3 men and one woman, all in the 18 to 59 demographic) and "military age men." I thought I'd look up and share the actual numbers.

 

[phgreek]

1. I think that you are not reading the article fairly. Misinformed voters are heavily discussed because they article is about Trump and Trump's staying power. Trump has a larger proportion of supporters who are misinformed. Misinformed voters are then discussed so people can understand why their support of Trump means that Trump will have staying power.

2. Only conservative misinformed voters (who generally happen to be white, with less education, and older) are discussed in this article because the article is about Trump. There are liberal misinformed voters but they are not discussed because this article is about Trump.

3. Uniformed voters aren't heavily discussed because that isn't from where Trump's staying power comes.

4. This is the telling passage about misinformed voters.

I read at least one of the studies cited in this thing this past summer...it was not presented like this article. Suffice it to say the author was going for some information here, but also some shots at the right. The thing that pisses me off most is...I don't want TRUMP in office, and the more of this shit people do, the more his support is galvanized. Too many more articles like that, and I might consider a vote for the Donald.

Now...I was aggravated by the presentation of the information, that doesn't mean I don't appreciate it being here...I don't mean to give the impression that the thought that goes into presenting the citation isn't appreciated....although it appears that way at times...I'm sure.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Can anybody who is more liberal on gun control explain to me the logic of creating "Gun free zones" and also advertising it? What does that really accomplish?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Cologne Attacks Trigger Raw Debate on Immigration in Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE

"The Jan. 1 entry on Nett-Werk Köln spoke of "horrific scenes in the Cologne train station." The author wrote of "crying women after multiple sexual attacks in the crowd." He wrote that he had been in the middle of the throng "hand-in-hand with my girlfriend, which unfortunately didn't prevent her from being repeatedly grabbed under her dress."

 

[NDVirginia19]

Hmmm... The left seems surprisingly silent on the actions of these "refugees" the past couple of months in Germany... they're all just peaceful looking for help still though, right?