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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
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    Votes: 172 48.9%
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    Votes: 46 13.1%
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GoIrish41

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You leap, my friend...take steps instead. It does not call him a dictator (though many on the left used that exact word for W, even musing on the question as to whether he would leave office willingly at the end of his duly elected term)

The article and the liberal Turley refer to powers getting out of balance and rips W for same items.

I cannot recall one other istance in whcih you or the other conservative posters in this board have suggested Turley has so much credibility. I don't disagree with your (or his) point, but I think it is amazing that the one time he happened to be right is when he agreed with you guys, most of whm almost certainly defended W's actions when he did the same thing. I'm all for peeling back presidential powers, but the subtle suggestion that Obama is a tyrant (not by you or Turley, but the general tone of this thread usually takes in all instances where there is a supposed "gotcha" moment against the president) because he is exercising the same powers that every president in history has is troubling. I don't disagree with you guys on this topic, but I am getting a kick out of the newfound respect you have suddenly found for Turley's opinions. I trust that respect and open mindedness will translate when he discusses his support for raising the minimum wage, gay marriage, immigration reform, and gun control. You don't have to agree with him, but he isn't just credible in this one instance. Turley is a bright guy.
 

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I cannot recall one other istance in whcih you or the other conservative posters in this board have suggested Turley has so much credibility. I don't disagree with your (or his) point, but I think it is amazing that the one time he happened to be right is when he agreed with you guys, most of whm almost certainly defended W's actions when he did the same thing. I'm all for peeling back presidential powers, but the subtle suggestion that Obama is a tyrant (not by you or Turley, but the general tone of this thread usually takes in all instances where there is a supposed "gotcha" moment against the president) because he is exercising the same powers that every president in history has is troubling. I don't disagree with you guys on this topic, but I am getting a kick out of the newfound respect you have suddenly found for Turley's opinions. I trust that respect and open mindedness will translate when he discusses his support for raising the minimum wage, gay marriage, immigration reform, and gun control. You don't have to agree with him, but he isn't just credible in this one instance. Turley is a bright guy.

Don't mistake me in the "Turley Love Fest." He is as left wing as they come. I simply think it is amusing that some try to argue the President is not creeping towards Constitutional conflicts between branches of government when even people like Turley on the left are admitting it. Quite entertaining I should say.
 

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Sounds like 2014 IE hottest WAG material to me.

She's a Irish-American redhead who looks like a young Shirley MacLaine. She's a grand niece of Tallulah Bankhead and just as feisty. If I posted a pic, I'd probably get glocked.
 

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Can we stop with the false dilemma that's been going on in here lately? Every time someone criticizes or defends something President Obama does, it's cast against similar or dissimilar things that President Bush did eight years ago. The realm of political thought is broader than "what Obama is doing and what Karl Rove thinks about it" versus "what Bush did and what James Carville thought about it."
 

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HAHA, my father in law is a badass Filipino Martial Arts expert, ex-Army Sniper, and major NRA guy...

he drives a Prius...
 

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I think he ran a hippy over with his Prius... twice...

just to make sure.
 

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I cannot recall one other istance in whcih you or the other conservative posters in this board have suggested Turley has so much credibility. I don't disagree with your (or his) point, but I think it is amazing that the one time he happened to be right is when he agreed with you guys, most of whm almost certainly defended W's actions when he did the same thing. I'm all for peeling back presidential powers, but the subtle suggestion that Obama is a tyrant (not by you or Turley, but the general tone of this thread usually takes in all instances where there is a supposed "gotcha" moment against the president) because he is exercising the same powers that every president in history has is troubling. I don't disagree with you guys on this topic, but I am getting a kick out of the newfound respect you have suddenly found for Turley's opinions. I trust that respect and open mindedness will translate when he discusses his support for raising the minimum wage, gay marriage, immigration reform, and gun control. You don't have to agree with him, but he isn't just credible in this one instance. Turley is a bright guy.

Don't mistake me in the "Turley Love Fest." He is as left wing as they come. I simply think it is amusing that some try to argue the President is not creeping towards Constitutional conflicts between branches of government when even people like Turley on the left are admitting it. Quite entertaining I should say.

Once again, my friend GoIrish...you leap...I simply ask that you take a step.

TTownTommy hits the point here. I too am no fan of Turley and where on the spectrum his views lie. However, as pointed out, Turley is no conservative or republican, and generally not even middle of the road. Turley is left wing and generally appears to be on the liberal side of the D party. The fact that such a person would come out and say what he did to Congress is noteworthy. If say, Thomas Sowell, came out and praised Obama's economic policies, that would be noteworthy as well. Also, there were multiple times that people on the right came out against something W did, and they would end up on the evening news and sunday shows because of it. They garnered loads of respect from D's and the media...until another issue came up that they were viewed to be too far right. A shining example is McCain. He was held up as Mr Will Cross the Aisle and Compromise slas What's Right with the R party. He and Chris Matthews were best buds. Then, he ran for president, it is amazing how quickly he became a far right, nearly facist, bible thumper in the eyes of the left and the media. His buddies in the press that had soooo much respect for him slunk away and called him names.

Also, I must once again point out how many here who hold R or even conservative views have made statements to the effect that they were not big fans of W. However, he came a heck of a lot closer to what we wanted than the current administration does.

To take the bolded forward to the extreme (as you did at the end of your post), I look forward to you calling your Congressman and telling him to support lawsuits against President Obama...then supporting any number of supposedly right wing issues and causes.
 

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Meanwhile, in South Florida...

Hillary Rodham Clinton said:
Ultimately having access to health insurance not connected to employment, subsidized as it is under the Affordable Care Act, liberates you to choose what you want to do in your life. You don’t have to take a job, as so many people did in my generation, just to have health insurance.

Translation: Obamacare is awesome because you can be a bum and not work if you don't feel like it.

Hillary Rodham Clinton Talks Social Change | News Releases | University of Miami
 
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I second wizards previous point, the more gridlock in DC the better... just about always... this idea that they always have to be rolling out new laws and bills just do to it... not my thing.
 

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The Earth has gone thru massive climate changes and subtle climate changes. There has been mass extinctions and there has been evolution. Do you honestly think that mankind is about to become extinct? Mankind has proven to be one of the most adaptable creatures on this planet. We have not only survived in multiple disparate climates and condition, we have sought them out and thrived. The mass extinctions to which you refer generally involved creatures that required certain environments and could not adapt to changes or the changes were extremely massive and super quick in occurring (ie the theory of massive comet/meteor impact on this planet).

BTW...I don't even think the guesses as to what are going to happen to the planet via AGW are even accurate. The models from the last 25-30 years have continuously turned out to be wrong and most not even close. I used the AGW term because that refers to man being the cause of ALL of any change. Do I believe in global warming? Yes. Global cooling? Yes. Climate Change? Yes. AGW? No. The first three have occurred repeatedly throughout the long history of this planet based on the evolution of life on this planet and the interactions it has had with other celestial objects. Mankind IS the cause of various problems with the environment on a cosmically small scale throught history (see the Dust Bowl in American history), but the full theory of AGW (much less the supposed steps to correct it) have not been proven to beyond a reasonable doubt to make it "settled science" (which in itself is a term all scientists should laugh at). Science is seldom, if ever, settled especially in areas where myriad factors interact with one another. Heck, even gravity and light are not completely settled. There are tweaks and experiments that find adjustments to these aspects of the universe. There are nearly infinite things on and about this planet that we have little to no idea about. Why should climate change be "settled" in light of things like that?


Shakespeare Quick Quotes:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.


- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

To be blunt you're wrong on every account. Climate change is a settled issue as far as the fact that it is occurring and it is man made. Anyhow, that's exactly the type of arrogance that has lead to the collapse of every single "great" civilization and considering the human species has existed for less than a blink of an eye in geological terms I would hardly toot our horn as far as adaptability goes. I'm sure dinosaurs thought they were hot stuff. Anyhow, the meteor blast did not cause mass extinction. The changes to the atmosphere and weather patterns that resulted from the impact which in turn severely impacted plant species did. What humans are presently doing to the atmosphere and the planet as a whole is on par with such an event on several fronts. Let's see, we have altering the content of the atmosphere on a massive scale and at a rapid rate, ocean acidification, the depletion of entire fisheries on a massive scale, the altering of watersheds on a massive scales as well as deforestation on a massive scale. Add all that up and we are presently living in what some scientists are now referring to as the sixth great extinction in the last billion years and that fact of the matter is that it is largely man made and sticking our heads up our asses and ignoring the issue is not going to solve the problem. Do me a favor and google ecology and gaia theory.
 
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wizards8507

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To be blunt you're wrong on every account. Climate change is a settled issue as far as the fact that it is occurring and it is man made. Anyhow, that's exactly the type of arrogance that has lead to the collapse of every single "great" civilization and considering the human species has existed for less than a blink of an eye in geological terms I would hardly toot our horn as far as adaptability goes. I'm sure dinosaurs thought they were hot stuff. Anyhow, the meteor blast did not cause mass extinction. The changes to the atmosphere and weather patterns that resulted from the impact which in turn severely impacted plant species did. What humans are presently doing to the atmosphere and the planet as a whole is on par with such an event on several fronts. Let's see, we have altering the content of the atmosphere on a massive scale and at a rapid rate, ocean acidification, the depletion of entire fisheries on a massive scale, the altering of watersheds on a massive scales as well as deforestation on a massive scale. Add all that up and we are presently living in what some scientists are now referring to as the sixth great extinction in the last billion years and that fact of the matter is that it is largely man made and sticking our heads up our asses and ignoring the issue is not going to solve the problem. Do me a favor and google ecology and gaia theory.

Okay smarty pants. Explain the Ice Ages that lasted for TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS before you could blame SUVs, ExxonMobile, and American consumerism. You want to talk about arrogance? Arrogance is thinking there's a damn thing we can do to stop whatever is happening.

EDIT: This was posted TODAY, so that's pretty interesting:

Humans not to blame for global warming, says Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore | Mail Online
 

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Okay smarty pants. Explain the Ice Ages that lasted for TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS before you could blame SUVs, ExxonMobile, and American consumerism. You want to talk about arrogance? Arrogance is thinking there's a damn thing we can do to stop whatever is happening.

EDIT: This was posted TODAY, so that's pretty interesting:

Humans not to blame for global warming, says Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore | Mail Online

So you post some piece from a former Greenpeace hack. That sure debunks the overwhelming scientific consensus on this issue. Climate change skeptics are basically the right wing version of the left wing anti vaccination nut jobs who ignore basic facts. If we chose to put as much time, resources and energy into addressing this problem as say building our nuclear arsenal in the 50's, 60's and 70's this could be addressed in a decade. Not very arrogant if you ask me.

Do me a favor go to this website

Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says
 
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connor_in

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To be blunt you're wrong on every account. Climate change is a settled issue as far as the fact that it is occurring and it is man made. Anyhow, that's exactly the type of arrogance that has lead to the collapse of every single "great" civilization and considering the human species has existed for less than a blink of an eye in geological terms I would hardly toot our horn as far as adaptability goes. I'm sure dinosaurs thought they were hot stuff. Anyhow, the meteor blast did not cause mass extinction. The changes to the atmosphere and weather patterns that resulted from the impact which in turn severely impacted plant species did. What humans are presently doing to the atmosphere and the planet as a whole is on par with such an event on several fronts. Let's see, we have altering the content of the atmosphere on a massive scale and at a rapid rate, ocean acidification, the depletion of entire fisheries on a massive scale, the altering of watersheds on a massive scales as well as deforestation on a massive scale. Add all that up and we are presently living in what some scientists are now referring to as the sixth great extinction in the last billion years and that fact of the matter is that it is largely man made and sticking our heads up our asses and ignoring the issue is not going to solve the problem. Do me a favor and google ecology and gaia theory.


I'm arrogant? You're the one spouting absolutes! Connor is wrong on EVERY account! Science is settled! It's all Man's fault with no other factors! Dinosaurs think!

Mankind is apparently a piker when it comes to adaptability...never mind that we explore and have been to both poles and every where in between...never mind that we go to the highest elevations and the lowest levels under the sea...that we live in space and have landed on the moon and constantly contemplate getting to Mars and try to figure out how to get to the other farther reaches of the universe. We can barely survive a light breeze though, eh?

By the way, my reference to the comet/meteor theory did refer to the dust and debris that it was purported to have kicked up into the atmosphere. That is the general theory and I did not stray from it even if I didn't type every single step of it.

If you think what we currently put into the atmosphere is even close to being on par with the dust and debris cloud that would have existed, then maybe you need some time on Google.

PS. Mankind has no clue how to stop AGW even if it did exist. You want to talk about arrogance? First, read about how man tried to preserve natural environments in regards to the national parks. The unintended consequences that came out of that were in the realm of Keystone Cops-ish. Plus, add to that the arrogance of trying to preserve a static state of something in constant change.

Finally, let me point out how your AGW has been undergoing constant change in its theory as it's climate models constantly fail and get revised to the point that anything that occurs either weather-wise or climate-wise is an obvious sign of climate change theory. Your settled science of AGW is about as settled as the ACA!
 

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So you post some back piece from a former Greenpeace hack. That sure debunks the overwhelming scientific consensus on this issue. Climate change skeptics are basically the right wing version of the left wing anti vaccination nut jobs who ignore basic facts. If we chose to put as much time, resources and energy into addressing this problem as say building our nuclear arsenal in the 50's, 60's and 70's this could be addressed in a decade. Not very arrogant if you ask me.

Do me a favor go to this website

Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says

HA! Ever notice how they always use a figure of 97% of "climate experts"? However they never produce a roll call of the votes and they seem to post when the next check on that number is coming up. Kinda weird for a group of people who are so into constantly measuring and re-measuring and re-checking their results.
 

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HA! Ever notice how they always use a figure of 97% of "climate experts"? However they never produce a roll call of the votes and they seem to post when the next check on that number is coming up. Kinda weird for a group of people who are so into constantly measuring and re-measuring and re-checking their results.

Actually what is weird is some jackass taking issue with the entire scientific community on this issue.
 

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I'm arrogant? You're the one spouting absolutes! Connor is wrong on EVERY account! Science is settled! It's all Man's fault with no other factors! Dinosaurs think!

Mankind is apparently a piker when it comes to adaptability...never mind that we explore and have been to both poles and every where in between...never mind that we go to the highest elevations and the lowest levels under the sea...that we live in space and have landed on the moon and constantly contemplate getting to Mars and try to figure out how to get to the other farther reaches of the universe. We can barely survive a light breeze though, eh?

By the way, my reference to the comet/meteor theory did refer to the dust and debris that it was purported to have kicked up into the atmosphere. That is the general theory and I did not stray from it even if I didn't type every single step of it.

If you think what we currently put into the atmosphere is even close to being on par with the dust and debris cloud that would have existed, then maybe you need some time on Google.

PS. Mankind has no clue how to stop AGW even if it did exist. You want to talk about arrogance? First, read about how man tried to preserve natural environments in regards to the national parks. The unintended consequences that came out of that were in the realm of Keystone Cops-ish. Plus, add to that the arrogance of trying to preserve a static state of something in constant change.

Finally, let me point out how your AGW has been undergoing constant change in its theory as it's climate models constantly fail and get revised to the point that anything that occurs either weather-wise or climate-wise is an obvious sign of climate change theory. Your settled science of AGW is about as settled as the ACA!

This post is complete bullshit. Arrogance is thinking you're smarter than every climate scientist on earth. I suppose you're a better coach then Kelly too right? Anyhow, If done correctly large habitats and ecosystems can be monitored and maintained in a stable manner. Look up the Alaskan Fisheries program and please quite posting the climate issue and the environment in general because you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Thanks.
 
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Actually what is weird is some jackass taking issue with the entire scientific community on this issue.

Yeah man...it's just me...I'm the only one...oh and the never identified 3%, eh? Just keep believing that as one of your absolutes that may never be questioned.
 

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Yeah man...it's just me...I'm the only one...oh and the never identified 3%, eh? Just keep believing that as one of your absolutes that may never be questioned.

It's not just you, trust me there are a lot of jackasses in this world.
 

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Bluto, did you ever consider that the vast majority of climate scientists go into their field because they have certain pre-conceived notions and political leanings? That is to say, they already are firmly in the man made climate change camp and they go into a field filled with like-minded enablers? I doubt too many of these scientists enter the field with completely virgin brains. And it isn't too hard to find the supporting evidence for what you believe if you look in the right places. Maybe the climate change people are right, but there is enough credible evidence to suggest that it isn't as cut-and-dried as they make out. Speaking in absolutes about "the science is settled" isn't science; it's dogma.
 

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...If we chose to put as much time, resources and energy into addressing this problem as say building our nuclear arsenal in the 50's, 60's and 70's this could be addressed in a decade. Not very arrogant if you ask me...

This is at best misleading. Even if we stopped all CO2 emissions today, which is obviously impossible, it would still take more than 50 years for CO2 to reach pre-industrial levels.
 

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The local weather report has been calling for Apocalypse Now for the past week straight, we just now started getting a tiny bit of rain… Conclusion: Science is infallible when it comes to predicting what will happen with the weather.
 

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This is at best misleading. Even if we stopped all CO2 emissions today, which is obviously impossible, it would still take more than 50 years for CO2 to reach pre-industrial levels.

Know when CO2 was at its highest?

During the Ice Age. That's a fact, right from Bluto's "scientific community." Bluto could have stopped the Ice Age if only he were in control of of CO2 emmisions from the dawn of humanity... But we're the arrogant ones.

The IPCC Explains... Natural Causes of Ice Ages and Climate Change | Climate Changes | Cause and Effect

Cutting all CO2 emissions would not stop global warming | The Daily Caller

Meanwhile, on the Left:

Study: Global Warming Will Cause 180,000 More Rapes by 2099 | Mother Jones
 
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I love this, from the "God, the Bible, and Jesus" thread...

I strongly recommend getting high as shit and (re)reading this thread. Top notch stuff in here.

I don't mess with the weed anymore. Too confusing. The very last time I got high I was playing my acoustic guitar and was like "man I'm kicking some ass!! I'm the new Santana!". Then I paused and was like "maybe I'm just really high". That internal debate (which lasted a good forty five minutes) proved to be too much.

It all makes sense now. My two favorite political posters in the whole wide world. I wonder if GoIrish41 is a burnout also...
 
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