Politics

[GoIrish41]

Don't forget he gives zero fucks about using a drone.

I think his drone program is absolutely disgraceful. I'm with you on that.

 

[Cackalacky]

I think his drone program is absolutely disgraceful. I'm with you on that.

I promised myself I would not post in thus thread anymore. I failed. I don't know how you do it.

 

[GoIrish41]

So let me get this straight.

You mean to tell me, that the R's in 2008 were the first group to lose an election and to strategize on how they will win the next election?

Plus, at that point, the Dems controlled the house and had either 59 or 60 senate seats, depending on the time period you are looking at. The R's could object all they wanted to in the house, nothing would matter. In the senate, there was only one R needed. One.

So, you can blame everything on that one night they all met to plot revenge, but the fact of the matter is Obama really didn't need any of them. Instead, he used his political capital on the stimulus and health care. From then on, the voters reacted in the house and senate.

That meeting wasn't just about strategies to win the next election -- it was about hurting the new president, embarassing him, making sure he got nothing accomplished. It was the beginning of the liberal and devisive use of the fillibuster to grind everything to a halt, and then to blame the president for being a do nothing stuffed suit that was all talk and no action. It was mean spirited and bad for the country. And yes, he used his political capital on the stimulus and health care because this nation was ravaged by the biggest economic disaster since the Great Depression and people were hurting. It would have been irresponsible not to focus on the here and now at the time. But, of course, we can look back now that the economy has improved in dramatic fashion and act as if he had a choice but to try to do something to breath life into the economy.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Was he? The night of his innaguration, a group of GOP leaders met to plan his failure through obstruction. That is hardly a rational approach to government, but it is the path that the GOP has chosen. You can call it a lack of leadership on Obama's part if it makes you feel better, but facts demonstrate something else. The Democratic Party is doing just fine, as they will show when Hillary becomes the next president of a united party. Meanwhile, the GOP will continue to eat its own and push forward in utter disarray.

Yes, he did. Doesn't matter what the GOP planned that night. Dems had the House, Senate, and White House and could do whatever the hell they wanted FOR TWO YEARS. They got the stimulus and ACA done, but somehow issues like immigration and economic equality weren't important enough and got pushed off until his second term. Wonder why???

Two years later a lot of people with "D" behind their name had their asses sent home in 2010, the pres won by a slim margin 51 to 49 in 2012, and the 2014 House/ Senate elections will be interesting.

 

[GoIrish41]

I promised myself I would not post in thus thread anymore. I failed. I don't know how you do it.

If you are going to do it, do like ACamp does. Come in, drop a grenade and run away until the schrapnel stops flying. lol. I enjoy a political discussion. I don't care much for the mud slinging and name calling that sometimes comes up in here, but if you weed through that muck there is some great discussion in here. I've learned a lot about how people with other perspectives approach some of these issues. And while I don't always agree with their point of view it helps me to understand how they could be so wrong and so confident at the same time.

 

[wizards8507]

I think his drone program is absolutely disgraceful. I'm with you on that.

Seriously? Do you remember guys named Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz standing to filibuster John Brennan's CIA nomination due to his position that drones could be used on US citizens deemed "enemy combatants"? Aren't those guys the tea-baggiest of tea-baggers that you hate so much? The looney "right wing extremists" who do nothing but obstruct? It seems like you actually agree with them and should be HAPPY at their attempt to obstruct because the thing they were obstructing was the trampling of the Constitution.

 

[ACamp1900]

If you are going to do it, do like ACamp does. Come in, drop a grenade and run away until the schrapnel stops flying. lol.

It's the American Way.... lol... honestly I comment here and there... but YEARS into this discussion... to continue to go further than that like I used to with say my buddy jasonh?? Yeah, I'm over spending real energy on it. I prefer to sit with popcorn and watch ya'll dodge the schrapnel...

BTW, just for the record... a few months back was the last time I really 'tried' regarding welfare... I was called names and insulted for droping actual studies that furthered my point... so,... yeah...

 

[Ndaccountant]

That meeting wasn't just about strategies to win the next election -- it was about hurting the new president, embarassing him, making sure he got nothing accomplished. It was the beginning of the liberal and devisive use of the fillibuster to grind everything to a halt, and then to blame the president for being a do nothing stuffed suit that was all talk and no action. It was mean spirited and bad for the country. And yes, he used his political capital on the stimulus and health care because this nation was ravaged by the biggest economic disaster since the Great Depression and people were hurting. It would have been irresponsible not to focus on the here and now at the time. But, of course, we can look back now that the economy has improved in dramatic fashion and act as if he had a choice but to try to do something to breath life into the economy.

Don't know about you, but that sounds like politics to me. Additionally, all they had to do was to convince one R to vote in the Senate. For as much as you talk about the Tea Party, there were people like Ms. Snowe who quite often crossed party lines. If the point of all this was to reach a common ground, Snowe was right there for the taking and if the policies and actions were so sensible, she would have compromised each and every time.

I also think that second point is very generous. I agree he had no choice but to pass the Stimulus. But it wasn't too far into it that the economic data suggested the planned results wouldn't materialize. Instead of looking at other economic options, he chose Heath Care. That was his call, they saw the open shot and they took it.

Looking forward, I don't see him getting his way in the Legislative branch. Members up for re-election don't want him around. That happens with some Presidents, both R's and D's. But the only way the divisiveness ends is when the people demand it. Considering the general apathy towards politics, I am not convinced this will happen anytime soon.

 

[connor_in]

Why I'm Getting Sick of Defending Obamacare - NationalJournal.com

 

[Cackalacky]

Seriously? Do you remember guys named Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, and Ted Cruz standing to filibuster John Brennan's CIA nomination due to his position that drones could be used on US citizens deemed "enemy combatants"? Aren't those guys the tea-baggiest of tea-baggers that you hate so much? The looney "right wing extremists" who do nothing but obstruct? It seems like you actually agree with them and should be HAPPY at their attempt to obstruct because the thing they were obstructing was the trampling of the Constitution.

Please don't conflate politics with our aerial superiority and the interpretation of the Patriot Act. Any one of those fools would use the Drone in a similar manner.

 

[T Town Tommy]

So let me get this straight.....

We CAN use drones on US citizens deemed "enemy combatants" but we can't deem a terrorist sitting in Gitmo an "enemy combatant" and should give them jury trials?

Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[wizards8507]

Please don't conflate politics with our aerial superiority and the interpretation of the Patriot Act. Any one of those fools would use the Drone in a similar manner.

So let me get this straight.

• Establishment Republicans admit they love drones.

• Democrats say they hate drones and mean it, even when they use them.

• Tea Party Republicans say they hate drones but they're liars.

Did I misstate your position?

 

[Cackalacky]

So let me get this straight.

• Establishment Republicans admit they love drones.

• Democrats say they hate drones and mean it, even when they use them.

• Tea Party Republicans say they hate drones but they're liars.

Did I misstate your position?

Yes you did. We have the drone. Anyone in office with the power to use it will use. So Far. What you elaborate above is just politics.

 

[ACamp1900]

My man Cack sent me this...

Neg rep me if I post in that thread again (Just Curious thread). I hate that thread.

Long before he posted this...

Yes you did. We have the drone. Anyone in office with the power to use it will use. So Far. What you elaborate above is just politics.

Let the schrapnel fly boys...

 

[wizards8507]

Yes you did. We have the drone. Anyone in office with the power to use it will use. So Far. What you elaborate above is just politics.

The guys I listed would use drones, I don't doubt that. I do not believe they would use them on American citizens. If nothing else, those guys are principled constitutionalists.

 

[T Town Tommy]

My man Cack sent me this...

Quote:
Neg rep me if I post in that thread again (Just Curious thread). I hate that thread.

Long before he posted this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cackalacky
Yes you did. We have the drone. Anyone in office with the power to use it will use. So Far. What you elaborate above is just politics.

Let the schrapnel fly boys...

ruh roh shaggy

 

[FLDomer]

The thread is a mini example of whats going on in DC.... nothing productive. 282 pages where I doubt one of the posters has said since their first post in this thread "Hmm, that guy is right, I agree with his point of view now". This is a peter pull to the T.

 

[Cackalacky]

The guys I listed would use drones, I don't doubt that. I do not believe they would use them on American citizens. If nothing else, those guys are principled constitutionalists.

 

[wizards8507]

What's the point then? Why vote or pay attention or care if you literally have zero representation in which you feel confident?

 

[Cackalacky]

What's the point then? Why vote or pay attention or care if you literally have zero representation in which you feel confident?

Winner!

 

[connor_in]

So let me get this straight.....

We CAN use drones on US citizens deemed "enemy combatants" but we can't deem a terrorist sitting in Gitmo an "enemy combatant" and should give them jury trials?

Makes perfect sense to me.

But see...what you need to remember is that you can no longer use the term
"War on Terror"

However, there is no problem using the term
"War on Women"

The caveat to that being it does not apply to anyone with a D after their name
(such as Clinton, Filner, Carlos Henriquez, Bashir, Schultz, etc)

 

[Cackalacky]

Seriously wizards. Do not take me seriously. I am extremely disenchanted with our so-called democracy. Until people realize that we live in a quasi-fascist state controlled by the uber rich and they can buy politicians of any ilk, there will be little to no change whatsoever.

 

[T Town Tommy]

The thread is a mini example of whats going on in DC.... nothing productive. 282 pages where I doubt one of the posters has said since their first post in this thread "Hmm, that guy is right, I agree with his point of view now". This is a peter pull to the T.

Don't disagree but here is why discourse matters.

I have a personal friend who was targeted by the IRS. SHe has been to Washington several times to testify before Congress on how she was treated during her three year now ordeal. She has also been on several news shows to discuss her ordeal. And at the very first House hearing on the matter, Elija Cummings has the audacity to say nothing is going on before the first witness even testifies. He don't want the truth. And, for the record, my friend testified at that first hearing. Now, just before the Super Bowl we hear our President tell Bill O'Reilly that there is not one shred of evidence that the IRS targeted people. I know first hand that this is not the case. What the IRS did to this lady, and continues to do to her, is wrong. And for a President to play it off as nothing is pitiful. It is people like her that need to have their story heard. That's why conversation matters. The answers and the TRUTH lie somewhere in it.

When our own President refuses to accept that he has issues within his own Administration, how can one expect the common man to make a difference and offer up solutions? From NSA to the IRS to Bengazi, nothing has been done by our leader to get to the truth.

He doesn't want the truth. He can't handle the truth. And he sure isn't going to say he messed up or hold anyone accountable. He simply blames... and blames.... and blames.....

 

[ACamp1900]

Seriously wizards. Do not take me seriously. I am extremely disenchanted with our so-called democracy. Until people realize that we live in a quasi-fascist state controlled by the uber rich and they can buy politicians of any ilk, there will be little to no change whatsoever.

 

[Cackalacky]

What's the point then? Why vote or pay attention or care if you literally have zero representation in which you feel confident?

I also hail from the home of "Leave me the Fuck Alone" and my vote has not mattered ever.

 

[connor_in]

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EDIT: I think Cackalacky really needs this right now...

 

[Cackalacky]

That's it bro. He went in all gangbusters and has acted like a center right Republican since having to deal with the stimulus. And it continues. He has doubled down on Bush era policies ......

You sonofa...

 

[chicago51]

I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.

Thomas Jefferson letter to William Charles Jarvis, September 28, 1820

 

[ACamp1900]

I also Hail from the home of "Leave me the Fuck Alone" and my vote has not mattered ever.

Thank God for that....

 

[chicago51]

That's it bro. He went in all gangbusters and has acted like a center right Republican since having to deal with the stimulus. And it continues. He has doubled down on Bush era policies ......

You sonofa...

We've been doubling down Reagan era economic policies since Reagan. Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush raising taxes on rich people a tiny bit is not a significant deviation from Reaganomics.

Bill Clinton contrary the Democrats belief didn't do anything ultraprogressive. He cut capital gains taxes which has helped the super rich build an aerosticracy. He brought us NAFTA. He double down on the banking deregulation by ending Glass Steigal.

So yes Obama did double down on Bush Jr policies.

We've been doing the pretty much the same stuff economically for the last 33 years.