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[BobD]

OK ....so, we are at $1B and counting on the Obamacare "website".

It was annoying when I thought these IDIOTS failed w/ $94M.

Every person assigned in any way to this cluster from HHS needs fired, and every contractor working on it needs debarred from ever doing work for the government again. This isn't failure this is FRAUD WASTE and ABUSE....this is criminal.

I haven't seen estimates that high. Where did you find them?

Here's what I read.

How much did HealthCare.gov cost?

 

[phgreek]

I haven't seen estimates that high. Where did you find them?

Here's what I read.

How much did HealthCare.gov cost?

Late IT Cash Surge Foreshadowed Health-Law Woes - Bloomberg Government

 

[yankeehater]

I had heard that all $ figures are now low because of overtime and other unexpected costs in the roll out. The original estimates were based on a flawless launch.

The troubling piece of data I heard was what should have been expected, but most hoped it would not be. The initial enrollees are all those in need of insurance (i.e. pre-existing conditions, elderly, etc.). This will drive up the costs and expenditures which will not be off set until the young and healthy start enrolling. By then it may be too late and the money spent may be gone for good.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

OK ....so, we are at $1B and counting on the Obamacare "website".

It was annoying when I thought these IDIOTS failed w/ $94M.

Every person assigned in any way to this cluster from HHS needs fired, and every contractor working on it needs debarred from ever doing work for the government again. This isn't failure this is FRAUD WASTE and ABUSE....this is criminal.

And the GOP shutdown cost the economy $24 billion. That must be super-extra-mega-tea-party criminal.

 

[BobD]

I think it's a shame that more states didn't step up and start their own sites. The state's that did seem to be having much better luck.

 

[phgreek]

And the GOP shutdown cost the economy $24 billion. That must be super-extra-mega-tea-party criminal.

...well except for the small fact that ...there are no clauses restraining representatives from standing their ground...in fact that's...like...their job if their constituents say so.

What I'm angry at is we wasted a billion bucks on something that should have cost 100 Mil...and it happened because people did things outside the normal contracting process, and did not obey contract ceilings...and had no competent oversight. This is the definition of Fraud, Waste, and Abuse...could you please cite your legal concern supporting your red a$$ regarding the "GOP" shutdown.

This is for you:

 

[phgreek]

I think it's a shame that more states didn't step up and start their own sites. The state's that did seem to be having much better luck.

I actually agree...because state governments have a Clue in many cases, they can succeed where the fed...simply...can't.

If I'm strapped to this damned thing, I'd a t least feel better if my state would shield me from Uncle dumbass...

 

[BobD]

Good morning.

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[BobD]

Two lines I never thought I'd hear.

"I will not yield to this monkey court"

"This is not a monkey court"


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[Ndaccountant]

I think it's a shame that more states didn't step up and start their own sites. The state's that did seem to be having much better luck.

Some of the states only set up exchanges for businesses or large groups (50 or more). That effectively diminished the scope of what they needed to do as well as take away the complexities of trying to network with all of the Federal information needed for individuals and subsidies. Essentially, some states cherry picked the easy stuff and pushed the hard stuff to the Feds.

 

[irishpat183]

And the GOP shutdown cost the economy $24 billion. That must be super-extra-mega-tea-party criminal.

How much did Syria and Egypt cost us? And if I'm not mistaken the dems had a hand in that shut down as well by refusing to talk...

 

[irishpat183]

I think it's a shame that more states didn't step up and start their own sites. The state's that did seem to be having much better luck.

Like CA?? LOL

Where not only does the site not work, but 160k people are being terminated from their current plans when, your hero, Obama stated MANY MANY times that "You will not lose your current coverage"...



Execpt if you're healthy and already living the right way. This is where liberal logic fails. Screw over those that live the right way to bring everyone down into the same dumpster.

 

[irishpat183]

Thousands Of Consumers Get Insurance Cancellation Notices Due To Health Law Changes - Kaiser Health News


So we're dropping your coverage after we said you could keep it....and it's going to cost you more.


The ACA in a nutshell

 

[BobD]

Like CA?? LOL

Where not only does the site not work, but 160k people are being terminated from their current plans when, your hero, Obama stated MANY MANY times that "You will not lose your current coverage"...



Execpt if you're healthy and already living the right way. This is where liberal logic fails. Screw over those that live the right way to bring everyone down into the same dumpster.

Pat, I am not a democrat, nor a republican.

Please read the top post on this page, if you are unable please let me know and I'll see about getting some picture boards for you.

You're being annoying, irrelevant and small ( that's what she said).

 

[irishpat183]

Pat, I am not a democrat, nor a republican.

Please read the top post on this page, if you are unable please let me know and I'll see about getting some picture boards for you.

You're being annoying, irrelevant and small ( that's what she said).

Yet you've defended Obama and the left on just about everything.....


And how "progressive" of you...

 

[phgreek]

Some of the states only set up exchanges for businesses or large groups (50 or more). That effectively diminished the scope of what they needed to do as well as take away the complexities of trying to network with all of the Federal information needed for individuals and subsidies. Essentially, some states cherry picked the easy stuff and pushed the hard stuff to the Feds.

...This is probably true, to a certain degree, with some dumb luck and political motives mixed in...

At least in Utah I know the DMV works real well, and anything with an IT interface seems to work well. I don't hear about failures to deliver. I DO however hear about poor decisions as relates to security...and BTW you can bet that will be the next Dragon for the Federal System...Hurry up coding always leaves holes in the Armor...

 

[phgreek]

Good morning.

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This is telling...actually. I can imagine certain folks resonating with the first few words. Personally I lock in on "Republic", "Liberty", "Justice".

 

[GowerND11]

I am not well versed with the ACA. I have a very simple question. As a 24 year old substitute teacher I have been blessed with the fact that I can stay on my parents insurance policy until I am 26. If I were not on their plan and had to get Obamacare is it true that as a healthy young adult I would, in fact, be expected to pay more than someone with preexisting conditions? I have heard that a few times, and am wondering if this is true. Please I don't want party lines, I just want the facts here. Thanks guys!

 

[DSully1995]

I am not well versed with the ACA. I have a very simple question. As a 24 year old substitute teacher I have been blessed with the fact that I can stay on my parents insurance policy until I am 26. If I were not on their plan and had to get Obamacare is it true that as a healthy young adult I would, in fact, be expected to pay more than someone with preexisting conditions? I have heard that a few times, and am wondering if this is true. Please I don't want party lines, I just want the facts here. Thanks guys!

insurance companies can only rate you based on age and geography, so yes. Pre-existing conditions can no longer affect the rate. You would pay the same as the young adult in your area with pre existing conditions

 

[Wild Bill]

I am not well versed with the ACA. I have a very simple question. As a 24 year old substitute teacher I have been blessed with the fact that I can stay on my parents insurance policy until I am 26. If I were not on their plan and had to get Obamacare is it true that as a healthy young adult I would, in fact, be expected to pay more than someone with preexisting conditions? I have heard that a few times, and am wondering if this is true. Please I don't want party lines, I just want the facts here. Thanks guys!

I'm not an expert either, but I believe it would depend upon your income. The intent is not for you to pay more than someone with a pre-existing condition. The intent, whether it is accomplished or not, is to give "affordable" access to those who may suffer from pre-existing conditions. Most people, like myself, believe that the unintended consequence (or maybe it is intended) of forcing insurance companies to provide "affordable" coverage to individuals with pre-existing conditions will increase the rates of those who are young and healthy.

That's my take at least.

 

[GowerND11]

insurance companies can only rate you based on age and geography, so yes. Pre-existing conditions can no longer affect the rate. You would pay the same as the young adult in your area with pre existing conditions

I'm not an expert either, but I believe it would depend upon your income. The intent is not for you to pay more than someone with a pre-existing condition. The intent, whether it is accomplished or not, is to give "affordable" access to those who may suffer from pre-existing conditions. Most people, like myself, believe that the unintended consequence (or maybe it is intended) of forcing insurance companies to provide "affordable" coverage to individuals with pre-existing conditions will increase the rates of those who are young and healthy.

That's my take at least.

So what I am getting from you two is that while they may not hike rates for the young and healthy people they may just have a higher base for which they can obtain insurance than normal in the hopes it would offset the costs?

 

[phgreek]

Two lines I never thought I'd hear.

"I will not yield to this monkey court"

"This is not a monkey court"


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I can't tell what he was responding to ie context...but if it was as he says...good for him.

 

[irishpat183]

I'm not an expert either, but I believe it would depend upon your income. The intent is not for you to pay more than someone with a pre-existing condition. The intent, whether it is accomplished or not, is to give "affordable" access to those who may suffer from pre-existing conditions. Most people, like myself, believe that the unintended consequence (or maybe it is intended) of forcing insurance companies to provide "affordable" coverage to individuals with pre-existing conditions will increase the rates of those who are young and healthy.
That's my take at least.

That was exactly the plan. And they're doing it. The young and healthy are getting screwed.

Again, draggging everyone down in the dumpster together.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

...well except for the small fact that ...there are no clauses restraining representatives from standing their ground...in fact that's...like...their job if their constituents say so.

What I'm angry at is we wasted a billion bucks on something that should have cost 100 Mil...and it happened because people did things outside the normal contracting process, and did not obey contract ceilings...and had no competent oversight. This is the definition of Fraud, Waste, and Abuse...could you please cite your legal concern supporting your red a$$ regarding the "GOP" shutdown.

This is for you:

Thought that would get you.

I'm also angry. It has been a bad roll out. I just disagree with the premise that it will bankrupt us. And the shutdown would have been (a) avoided or (b) only about 24 hours if Boehner had allowed a vote. The majority of the House would have passed a clean bill. That, in my opinion, is why the GOP is getting blamed.

 

[phgreek]

Thought that would get you.

I'm also angry. It has been a bad roll out. I just disagree with the premise that it will bankrupt us. And the shutdown would have been (a) avoided or (b) only about 24 hours if Boehner had allowed a vote. The majority of the House would have passed a clean bill. That, in my opinion, is why the GOP is getting blamed.

Fair enough...not thinking even 2 Billion or 3 would bankrupt us...its the attitude toward simple program management that will eventually bankrupt us. Its really the issue of death by 1000 cuts...someone needs to start raising hell about each and every "cut" so we stop this nonsense.

The GOP will always get the blame...regardless. As Obamacare tanks, it will be the GOPs fault for not getting on board...etc, etc. Not sure what a Clean Bill is anymore...certainly not possible to send a bill through to address a singular issue...always add ons / pork...congress is nothing more than organized crime w/o fear of Gmen.

 

[ACamp1900]

...congress is nothing more than organized crime w/o fear of Gmen.

I have felt this way for a long time honestly... for the most part I tend to align with the thought that the less they do/pass the better for all of us in the long run... none of this (any legislation these days) is about helping or caring about people.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I have felt this way for a long time honestly... for the most part I tend to align with the thought that the less they do/pass the better for all of us in the long run... none of this (any legislation these days) is about helping or caring about people.

Whoa there, that kind of attitude will earn you the label of a racist, anarchist, heartless bastard that cares only about the Koch brother's wallet and not about the people starving in the street (who may or may not have cell phones).

 

[ACamp1900]

Whoa there, that kind of attitude will earn you the label of a racist, anarchist, heartless bastard that cares only about the Koch brother's wallet and not about the people starving in the street (who may or may not have cell phones).

I actually have that tattooed over my navel...

 

[Ndaccountant]

I actually have that tattooed over my navel...

better than mine.....

 

[DSully1995]

So what I am getting from you two is that while they may not hike rates for the young and healthy people they may just have a higher base for which they can obtain insurance than normal in the hopes it would offset the costs?

Hope is clearly that the mandate will broaden the base and offset the influx of costly patients, unfortunately for you, and other young adults,( who use insurance very little) unless you get the low income subsidy youll be paying more than you "should" or wouldve before