Politics

[connor_in]

The ACA is law and you have to abide by it, even though you don't like it, so your panties are in a bunch.

No support needed, no news stations, no tv stars, just the cold hard facts IMO.

So what if the ACA is law? What does that matter to this administration? There have been a number of occasions they have not enforced existing laws. Also, they have altered the ACA itself from what was signed by the president without Congressional approval.

 

[johnnycando]

I agree, let's keep the current system in place. When the uninsured go to the emergency room, it may be ridiculously inefficient and expensive but at least we taxpayers aren't paying for it right? Right?

You wrote like a worthless yellow-bellied dem.

Is that purposefully?

Otherwise I guess I missed the punch line. (This includes deductibles, prescriptions, copays, etc.)

I spend about $5000 / year on healthcare.

Now, I'll spend about $1000 more because my benefits are called, "A Cadillac Plan."

C0cksuckers.

And the rest of the world thought Obamas administration would give back to the middle class... Lmao!

The poor won't pay. For neither. Willingly in fact. They choose to live in exile and love the socialistic push.

Someday, no drive will be consistent.

Just like nowadays labor unions in fact!

Are our country's leader working for another country secretly...? Fvck you England. Fvck you Federal Reserve.

 

[potownhero]

LMAO.

Youre a waste of time.

Have you met polishleppy? You two should talk.

Wow. Your response sounds exactly like what someone without an argument would say.

Another intellectually bankrupt Progressive...SHOCKER!!!

Maybe you'll have something to say after Rachel Maddow. Maybe she can help you resolve the debate between yourself and yourself.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Wow. Your response sounds exactly like what someone without an argument would say.

Another intellectually bankrupt Progressive...SHOCKER!!!

Maybe you'll have something to say after Rachel Maddow. Maybe she can help you resolve the debate between yourself and yourself.

That's what usually happens. Bob talks in circles, can't really debate well, but his best one liners and little jabs usually are during or before the Madcow show.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

The ACA is law and you have to abide by it, even though you don't like it, so your panties are in a bunch.

No support needed, no news stations, no tv stars, just the cold hard facts IMO.

Yeah, me and half the country feel the same way lol. Those numbers will grow as time goes on when plans are dissolved, rates skyrocket like never before, and more people realize that "access" doesn't equal "quality."

Wouldn't it be "fair" and "equal" if every politician who signed this piece of $hit had to suffer under it just like everyone else? Modern liberalism: ideas so good they have to be mandatory.

 

[BobD]

Wow. Your response sounds exactly like what someone without an argument would say.

Another intellectually bankrupt Progressive...SHOCKER!!!

Maybe you'll have something to say after Rachel Maddow. Maybe she can help you resolve the debate between yourself and yourself.

That's what usually happens. Bob talks in circles, can't really debate well, but his best one liners and little jabs usually are during or before the Madcow show.

Two things:

I have no idea who Rachel Maddow is, but I'm gonna look her up just because she seems to rile you two missle heads up.

I'm glad you two have met. Maybe you can team up and come up with something that's right

 

[connor_in]

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

LOL at Obama Shutdown. That's funny.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Two things:

I have no idea who Rachel Maddow is, but I'm gonna look her up just because she seems to rile you two missle heads up.

I'm glad you two have met. Maybe you can team up and come up with something that's right

Potown and I could have a more substantive discussion with an 8th grader than you.

 

[autry_denson]

You wrote like a worthless yellow-bellied dem.

Is that purposefully?

Otherwise I guess I missed the punch line. (This includes deductibles, prescriptions, copays, etc.)

I spend about $5000 / year on healthcare.

Now, I'll spend about $1000 more because my benefits are called, "A Cadillac Plan."

C0cksuckers.

And the rest of the world thought Obamas administration would give back to the middle class... Lmao!

The poor won't pay. For neither. Willingly in fact. They choose to live in exile and love the socialistic push.

Someday, no drive will be consistent.

Just like nowadays labor unions in fact!

Are our country's leader working for another country secretly...? Fvck you England. Fvck you Federal Reserve.

It's really hard to evaluate a policy change if you do not understand how a system works.

 

[potownhero]

Potown and I could have a more substantive discussion with an 8th grader than you.

Once his argument was dissected and couldn't hold water then all of a sudden he didn't want to engage in the conversation.

I hope that those with open minds take notice. Typically liberals prey on the emotions of people and do not appreciate it when you break down their arguments.

Their debating tactics go from:
1. throwing out emotionally charged statements - then when explained why they're wrong
2. creating strawmen arguments or red herrings - then when pointed out
3. ad hominem attacks
4. then they walk away and say that it's not worth it.

Their problem is that the reality of facts and history prove them wrong more often than not.

Logic is the enemy of Liberals/Progressives. Which is why they do well in the 30 second sound bite circus that makes up today's media. The ignorant and uninformed are easy prey for the statists - useful idiots.

 

[phgreek]

...so my admin tells me that obamacare needs like 7M enrollees by January...or it collapses...is that true...her source was cable news...anybody have a "print" source that covers the min. enrollment issue...if covered already...sorry...

 

[ACamp1900]

I was told in my management meeting yesterday that Covered California needs 9 mill by Jan.

Could just be a case of telephone, who knows.

 

[irishpat183]

...so my admin tells me that obamacare needs like 7M enrollees by January...or it collapses...is that true...her source was cable news...anybody have a "print" source that covers the min. enrollment issue...if covered already...sorry...

The system was only built to handle 50-75k enrollees a month.....Do the math. LOL

 

[phgreek]

I was told in my management meeting yesterday that Covered California needs 9 mill by Jan.

Could just be a case of telephone, who knows.

...WOW

 

[irishpat183]

You'd be wrong.

So you think there is more corruption and things that go wrong with the government, than go right? If you really think that, you're beyond help.

LOL....It's the other way around, good sir.


You hate corporations and their greed...but see no issue with the biggest, greediest, corporation of them all that offers no product but collects from the workers??

 

[irishpat183]

Two things:

I have no idea who Rachel Maddow is, but I'm gonna look her up just because she seems to rile you two missle heads up.

I'm glad you two have met. Maybe you can team up and come up with something that's right

It's RICK Maddow

 

[irishpat183]

The ACA is law and you have to abide by it, even though you don't like it, so your panties are in a bunch.

No support needed, no news stations, no tv stars, just the cold hard facts IMO.

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[irishpat183]

The ACA is law and you have to abide by it, even though you don't like it, so your panties are in a bunch.

No support needed, no news stations, no tv stars, just the cold hard facts IMO.

So what if the ACA is law? What does that matter to this administration? There have been a number of occasions they have not enforced existing laws. Also, they have altered the ACA itself from what was signed by the president without Congressional approval.

Not to mention...Our governmetn isn't even follwing the "law"!?!?!?!?! They're picking and choosing what pieces they want to enforce and who gets to back out

 

[phgreek]

The system was only built to handle 50-75k enrollees a month.....Do the math. LOL

But with less than 300 concurrent users...per the "stress" test they tried to do pre-release.

You figure if the 7M is the Min. , even if it was running...WoW

300 Concurrent users, lets say 25% of those are tire kickers (I know I'm being generous)
that's 225 enrollees every half hour, 450 every hour, approx. 11K a day for 180 days...that's approx. 2M enrollees ...if it were actually running at 100% uptime....

this is insanity...Who rolls something out that is destined to collapse...maybe the new team can work a miracle...but WTF is the administration thinking here...you'd have to want it to fail to do it this way...Single Payer motives????

 

[BobD]

Potown and I could have a more substantive discussion with an 8th grader than you.

I always encourage people to stick with their age group, I'm glad you know what maturity level you're at.

 

[BobD]

LOL....It's the other way around, good sir.


You hate corporations and their greed...but see no issue with the biggest, greediest, corporation of them all that offers no product but collects from the workers??

Wait, what? When have you ever heard me say anything about hating corporations? As an investor, I find this hilarious.

Are you being serious?

 

[BobD]

Once his argument was dissected and couldn't hold water then all of a sudden he didn't want to engage in the conversation.

I hope that those with open minds take notice. Typically liberals prey on the emotions of people and do not appreciate it when you break down their arguments.

Their debating tactics go from:
1. throwing out emotionally charged statements - then when explained why they're wrong
2. creating strawmen arguments or red herrings - then when pointed out
3. ad hominem attacks
4. then they walk away and say that it's not worth it.

Their problem is that the reality of facts and history prove them wrong more often than not.

Logic is the enemy of Liberals/Progressives. Which is why they do well in the 30 second sound bite circus that makes up today's media. The ignorant and uninformed are easy prey for the statists - useful idiots.

Ok little guy, which "argument" are you speaking of?

When you go back and figure out that I haven't posted any "arguments", don't feel dumb, just quit while you're behind.

 

[wizards8507]

The ACA is law and you have to abide by it, even though you don't like it, so your panties are in a bunch.

Slavery used to be the law too.

So was the Indian Removal Act.

And Japanese Internment.

And the Espionage Act of 1917.

Just because it IS the "law of the land" doesn't mean it OUGHT TO BE the "law of the land."

 

[BobD]

Slavery used to be the law too.

So was the Indian Removal Act.

And Japanese Internment.

And the Espionage Act of 1917.

Just because it IS the "law of the land" doesn't mean it OUGHT TO BE the "law of the land."

Did you just try to compare slavery, internment, Indian removal and espionage to attempting to give people health care?

Wow.

 

[ACamp1900]

Did you just try to compare slavery, internment, Indian removal and espionage to attempting to give people health care?

Wow.

I believe he compared it to forcing people, against their will, to purchase a service they may not want or need...

 

[wizards8507]

Did you just try to compare slavery, internment, Indian removal and espionage to attempting to give people health care?

Wow.

Strawman alert. I am NOT "comparing" those things. I'm blowing up your moronic point about "w-well it's the law of the land... so there!"

Therein lies the problem with your utopian programs. Liberals are are always judged by their intentions. "But but but... we just wanted to give people health care! We're so noble, so the fact that our program infringes on the rights of the individual and is a miserable failure to boot is irrelevant."

Yes, slavery, internment, and Indian removal are orders of magnitude worse than the ACA. But they still serve as proof as to just how stupid your argument that "it's the law of the land so accept it" is.

 

[BobD]

Strawman alert. I am NOT "comparing" those things. I'm blowing up your moronic point about "w-well it's the law of the land... so there!"

Therein lies the problem with your utopian programs. Liberals are are always judged by their intentions. "But but but... we just wanted to give people health care! We're so noble, so the fact that our program infringes on the rights of the individual and is a miserable failure to boot is irrelevant."

Yes, slavery, internment, and Indian removal are orders of magnitude worse than the ACA. But they still serve as proof as to just how stupid your argument that "it's the law of the land so accept it" is.

Saying that the ACA is the law of the land isn't an argument, it's a fact. So who made a moronic comment? What did you blow up?

I said what I said just to rub it in a bit. I'm like that some days.

 

[GoIrish41]

Strawman alert. I am NOT "comparing" those things. I'm blowing up your moronic point about "w-well it's the law of the land... so there!"

Therein lies the problem with your utopian programs. Liberals are are always judged by their intentions. "But but but... we just wanted to give people health care! We're so noble, so the fact that our program infringes on the rights of the individual and is a miserable failure to boot is irrelevant."

Yes, slavery, internment, and Indian removal are orders of magnitude worse than the ACA. But they still serve as proof as to just how stupid your argument that "it's the law of the land so accept it" is.

Have we made this much progress in the discussion? Given the fervor with which the GOP (especially the tea party) has described and attacked the ACA, I'm not so sure.

 

[autry_denson]

Potown and I could have a more substantive discussion with an 8th grader than you.

Honestly the combination of ignorance, misunderstanding, and absence of logic that you two have displayed (with some help) has reached new levels. When combined with how much of an a**hole you sound like and how pleased you are with yourselves, it starts to become really funny. Just no self awareness whatsoever.