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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%
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IrishJayhawk

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The Affordable Care Act would be considered conservative during the Clinton administration...when the Heritage foundation proposed it.

Or when Nixon proposed something way more liberal.
 

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I can only speak for my company since it's the only one of which I have direct knowledge. We have 166,000 employees and our insurance HAS skyrocketed. In 2013 I pay $33 per week for health insurance for me and my wife. In 2014 I will pay $95 for the same coverage. That's an increase of $62 per week, or 188%. That's not "Koch brothers' propaganda." That's real life and my real household budget which I, unlike the government, must balance. It basically amounts to a $3,000 paycut, which is real money to my family.

I don't know anything about your company, but $33 a week is pretty good for covering both of you. I also don't know how much knowledge you have about what percentage your employer covers. With a rate that low, they must be covering some of the premium cost. I am asking a real question here... Is the increase you are experiencing the product of your employer covering less of the premium? This wouldn't be unheard of. If that's the case, you shouldn't have a beef with ObamaCare, you should be upset with your employer.
 

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I don't know anything about your company, but $33 a week is pretty good for covering both of you. I also don't know how much knowledge you have about what percentage your employer covers. With a rate that low, they must be covering some of the premium cost. I am asking a real question here... Is the increase you are experiencing the product of your employer covering less of the premium? This wouldn't be unheard of. If that's the case, you shouldn't have a beef with ObamaCare, you should be upset with your employer.

You're right....but, maybe the reason their increasing costs is because of the ACA, no??

Either way, it's government. It's the same reason that companies (like IBM) are dropping retirees and offering them a buyout


My prems were the same over the last 5 yrs at my company until last year. Now, I added two children, but if I hadn't my prems would've went up any way by about 40 bucks.

The ACA was NEVER going to save anyone any money. Hell, we didn't even know the real costs...how could we? So I'm willing to bet that this isn't the last time my coverage goes up.
 

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I don't know anything about your company, but $33 a week is pretty good for covering both of you. I also don't know how much knowledge you have about what percentage your employer covers. With a rate that low, they must be covering some of the premium cost. I am asking a real question here... Is the increase you are experiencing the product of your employer covering less of the premium? This wouldn't be unheard of. If that's the case, you shouldn't have a beef with ObamaCare, you should be upset with your employer.

We received letters from both the employer and the insurance company that stated the changes were due to "the new landscape created by the ACA." The employer is covering the same percentage of the premium as they did before.

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We received letters from both the employer and the insurance company that stated the changes were due to "the new landscape created by the ACA." The employer is covering the same percentage of the premium as they did before.

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Clearly your employer and insurance co. are right wing nut jobs...
 

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He makes reference to another "wake the fvck up" open letter Bill Gates did. The Gates letter hangs on the inside of the door to each of my kids' bedrooms... with One other passage...Our Greatest Fear – Marianne Williamson

They see them every time they look in the mirror...and with girls...that's a bunch.

The other thing is service...you want an insurance policy against your kid offing herself because she didn't make the cheerleading squad...Charity/Service is IT. If your kids never get their hands "dirty" on work which benefits others...you are Robbing from them the ability to gain perspective, and frame life in reality...sooner they do that the better their ability to cope with their "problems".
 

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Absolutely love Sowell, been fiscal conservative for a while, but was looking for a smart basis for the positions. Sowell brings tthat, the way he talks brings so much common sense and factuality. Im always on the lookout for his work on videos (60+ anint nobody got time for that!).

Also, irishpat, reps.
 

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Absolutely love Sowell, been fiscal conservative for a while, but was looking for a smart basis for the positions. Sowell brings tthat, the way he talks brings so much common sense and factuality. Im always on the lookout for his work on videos (60+ anint nobody got time for that!).

Also, irishpat, reps.

I'd suggest checking out some of his books too, very informative.
 

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Oh, and anyone that disagrees is just a racist.

...should be bumped every day until the 14 election...maybe not though...NSA, IRS, and Justice will start to squeeze IE...then what would I do? ...again, need a font for half kidding...
 

irishpat183

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Not a take...The truth.

This system, from the begining, is all about control.

"under Obamacare, will be 99 percent more expensive for men, and 62 percent more expensive for women, than the cheapest plan offered under the old system. And those disparities are even wider for healthy people.

That raises an obvious question. If 50 million people are uninsured today, mainly because insurance is too expensive, why is it better to make coverage even costlier?"


Pretty much says it all.
 

Polish Leppy 22

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Not a take...The truth.

This system, from the begining, is all about control.

"under Obamacare, will be 99 percent more expensive for men, and 62 percent more expensive for women, than the cheapest plan offered under the old system. And those disparities are even wider for healthy people.

That raises an obvious question. If 50 million people are uninsured today, mainly because insurance is too expensive, why is it better to make coverage even costlier?"


Pretty much says it all.


It was pushed through with a super majority to control the citizens and gain votes. Half the country wants it repealed. As I've said for years, if this turns out anything like SS, medicare, medicaid, public education, the postal service, or Amtrak...we're in for one big $hitshow. And it will be ugly.
 

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It was pushed through with a super majority to control the citizens and gain votes. Half the country wants it repealed. As I've said for years, if this turns out anything like SS, medicare, medicaid, public education, the postal service, or Amtrak...we're in for one big $hitshow. And it will be ugly.

Right. If this government project turns out like anything any government has ever done before, look out. (Except, like, the Pyramids...)
 

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Right. If this government project turns out like anything any government has ever done before, look out. (Except, like, the Pyramids...)

So if the federal government were a baseball player, what's its batting average? I'd take a guess at somewhere around .083
 

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So if the federal government were a baseball player, what's its batting average? I'd take a guess at somewhere around .083

But the left relishes in those cases in which the government actually scores a hit.


if we can JUST save ONE person, not offend ONE person........it's a success

Which is the most idiotic way to govern.
 

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Article just published a few days ago. All stats were gathered from Trulia.com, a real estate site. I am not the author, but posting this because it's so relevant to past discussions on here. Way to go, California...

Article linked here for anyone who wants to browse the top 100 metros and their affordability. Interesting stuff. Couldn't copy and paste the graphs here.

Where Even the Middle Class Can't Afford to Live Any More - Emily Badger - The Atlantic Cities

Where Even the Middle Class Can't Afford to Live Any More
EMILY BADGEROCT 10, 2013
Where Even the Middle Class Can't Afford to Live Any More Shutterstock


High-cost cities tend to have higher median incomes, which leads to the simple heuristic that, sure, it's costlier to live in San Francisco than in Akron, but the people who pay bills there make enough money that they can afford it.

In reality, yes, the median household income in metropolitan San Francisco is higher than it is in Akron (by about $30,000). But that smaller income will buy you much, much more in Ohio. To be more specific, if you make the median income in Akron – a good proxy for a spot in the local middle class – 86 percent of the homes on the market there this month are likely within your budget.

If you're middle-class in San Francisco, on the other hand, that figure is just 14 percent. Your money will buy you no more than 1,000 square feet on average. That property likely isn't located where you'd like to live. And the options available to you on the market are even fewer than they were just a year ago, according to data crunched by Trulia. To frame this another way, the median income in metro San Francisco is about 60 percent higher than it is in Akron. But the median for-sale housing price per square foot today is about 700 percent higher.

The gulf between those two numbers means that the most expensive U.S. cities aren't just unaffordable for the average American middle-class family; they're unaffordable to the relatively well-off middle class by local standards, too.

To use an even more extreme example, the median income in metropolitan New York is about $56,000 (including families in the surrounding suburbs). If someone making that much money wanted to buy a home on the market this October in Manhattan, the most expensive home they could afford would cost about $274,000. A mere 2.5 percent of for-sale housing that's available in Manhattan now costs that little. Oh – and those properties are averaging 500 square feet.

Trulia ran these numbers based on the assumption that a family shouldn't spend more than 31 percent of its pre-tax income on housing (and that it must pay local property taxes and insurance). This data also assumes that a family makes a 20 percent down payment on a home – a daunting feat even on a six-figure income in somewhere like Los Angeles or New York.

By those calculations, these 10 metros are the least affordable, using Census data on median incomes (note that the data refers to metros, not cities):

In San Francisco, a household making $78,840 a year can top out buying a home worth about $409,000. 24 percent of the homes for sale in the area were below that threshold last October. Now it's just 14 percent. In fact, in every one of those 10 metros, a smaller share of homes are considered affordable now to the middle class than last year.

The same trend is true even in those metros where the vast majority of housing is accessible on a local median income:

Affordability is effectively declining as home prices are rising (and at a much faster rate than median incomes). Within the most expensive metros, the most affordable housing is also located in the areas that require some of the longest commutes. In metro New York, for instance, the Bronx and Nassau County are home to the bulk of the most affordable housing in the region.

Or, there's always a move to Akron. Here is the full data from the 100 metros that Trulia examined:
 

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Article just published a few days ago. All stats were gathered from Trulia.com, a real estate site. I am not the author, but posting this because it's so relevant to past discussions on here. Way to go, California...

Article linked here for anyone who wants to browse the top 100 metros and their affordability. Interesting stuff. Couldn't copy and paste the graphs here.

Where Even the Middle Class Can't Afford to Live Any More - Emily Badger - The Atlantic Cities

Where Even the Middle Class Can't Afford to Live Any More
EMILY BADGEROCT 10, 2013
Where Even the Middle Class Can't Afford to Live Any More Shutterstock


High-cost cities tend to have higher median incomes, which leads to the simple heuristic that, sure, it's costlier to live in San Francisco than in Akron, but the people who pay bills there make enough money that they can afford it.

In reality, yes, the median household income in metropolitan San Francisco is higher than it is in Akron (by about $30,000). But that smaller income will buy you much, much more in Ohio. To be more specific, if you make the median income in Akron – a good proxy for a spot in the local middle class – 86 percent of the homes on the market there this month are likely within your budget.

If you're middle-class in San Francisco, on the other hand, that figure is just 14 percent. Your money will buy you no more than 1,000 square feet on average. That property likely isn't located where you'd like to live. And the options available to you on the market are even fewer than they were just a year ago, according to data crunched by Trulia. To frame this another way, the median income in metro San Francisco is about 60 percent higher than it is in Akron. But the median for-sale housing price per square foot today is about 700 percent higher.

The gulf between those two numbers means that the most expensive U.S. cities aren't just unaffordable for the average American middle-class family; they're unaffordable to the relatively well-off middle class by local standards, too.

To use an even more extreme example, the median income in metropolitan New York is about $56,000 (including families in the surrounding suburbs). If someone making that much money wanted to buy a home on the market this October in Manhattan, the most expensive home they could afford would cost about $274,000. A mere 2.5 percent of for-sale housing that's available in Manhattan now costs that little. Oh – and those properties are averaging 500 square feet.

Trulia ran these numbers based on the assumption that a family shouldn't spend more than 31 percent of its pre-tax income on housing (and that it must pay local property taxes and insurance). This data also assumes that a family makes a 20 percent down payment on a home – a daunting feat even on a six-figure income in somewhere like Los Angeles or New York.

By those calculations, these 10 metros are the least affordable, using Census data on median incomes (note that the data refers to metros, not cities):

In San Francisco, a household making $78,840 a year can top out buying a home worth about $409,000. 24 percent of the homes for sale in the area were below that threshold last October. Now it's just 14 percent. In fact, in every one of those 10 metros, a smaller share of homes are considered affordable now to the middle class than last year.

The same trend is true even in those metros where the vast majority of housing is accessible on a local median income:

Affordability is effectively declining as home prices are rising (and at a much faster rate than median incomes). Within the most expensive metros, the most affordable housing is also located in the areas that require some of the longest commutes. In metro New York, for instance, the Bronx and Nassau County are home to the bulk of the most affordable housing in the region.

Or, there's always a move to Akron. Here is the full data from the 100 metros that Trulia examined:

Yes it's more expensive to live in San Francisco than Ohio? What's your point? My home in San Francisco has increased in value more this year than the entire cost of my home in Noblesville, IN. I don't think anyone needs an article posted to know that.
 
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Yes it's more expensive to live in San Francisco than Ohio? What's your point? My home San Francisco has increased in value more this year than the entire cost of my home in Noblesville, IN. I don't think anyone needs an article posted to know that.

The reason is why would that happen? Usually supply would come in to stop such ridiculous pricing, ie people building more, but builders arent for some reason. Supply and demand arent able to reach equilibrium...rent control?Open space initiatives? Two reasons why the price could be so outta wack
 

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The reason is why would that happen? Usually supply would come in to stop such ridiculous pricing, ie people building more, but builders arent for some reason. Supply and demand arent able to reach equilibrium...rent control?Open space initiatives? Two reasons why the price could be so outta wack

Because nobody from other countries dreams of living in Ohio? I love Indiana, but I've never been accused of being normal.
 

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Yes it's more expensive to live in San Francisco than Ohio? What's your point? My home in San Francisco has increased in value more this year than the entire cost of my home in Noblesville, IN. I don't think anyone needs an article posted to know that.

That article and the top 100 graph shows not only the insanity of San Fransisco, but the insanity of most of the metro areas in the state. You won't find one metro area in CA where more than 50% of middle class families could afford a home. It's becoming less and less affordable to live in large metro areas and the middle class is struggling.

The underlying theme is that you get more for your money making considerably less in Ohio than you would in San Francisco. LA and San Diego were worse. Another point is, looking at the Trulia graph, rising home prices in CA are pushing people to neighboring states where prices are far more in line with salaries.
 

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It was pushed through with a super majority to control the citizens and gain votes. Half the country wants it repealed. As I've said for years, if this turns out anything like SS, medicare, medicaid, public education, the postal service, or Amtrak...we're in for one big $hitshow. And it will be ugly.

Actually it was pushed through the Senate by a simple majority via the "reconciliation" process. Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Senate intended to allow consideration of a budget bill with debate limited to twenty hours and therefore the bill cannot be filibustered.
 

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That article and the top 100 graph shows not only the insanity of San Fransisco, but the insanity of most of the metro areas in the state. You won't find one metro area in CA where more than 50% of middle class families could afford a home. It's becoming less and less affordable to live in large metro areas and the middle class is struggling.

The underlying theme is that you get more for your money making considerably less in Ohio than you would in San Francisco. LA and San Diego were worse. Another point is, looking at the Trulia graph, rising home prices in CA are pushing people to neighboring states where prices are far more in line with salaries.

And? Did you just realize how expensive it is to live here? The population here goes up and down.....then up again. Ten years from now we'll have lots more than we do today. Again, what's your point?
 
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