Politics

[Whiskeyjack]

Abortion is a woman's choice confirmed by SCOTUS on constitutional grounds.

The US was built on the backs of people that our Supreme Court determined to be subhuman and unworthy of legal protection. First the genocide and segregation of Native Americans, then chattel slavery, apartheid, the internment camps, the nuclear incineration of 250k Japanese civilians (including almost the entirely of the nascent Japanese Catholic Church at the time) in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, etc. Today it's legalized abortion, which has resulted in the deaths of 60 million American children since 1973, which is necessary to support a culture of sexual license and an economy where the vast majority of women are expected to become full-time wage slaves.

Our national high priests on SCOTUS have zero moral authority. Aside from Roe and Casey, Buck v. Bell and Korematsu v. United States are both still on the books.

It's one of the reasons I think this is so interesting because when you say that abortion = murder, it's immediately such an extreme statement from a human-life perspective that any attempt at equivalency for other political standings or typical social principals becomes very difficult to justify.

Louis CK has a bit about that. I couldn't find it on YouTube, but the gist is that abortion either has the moral import of a bowel movement, or it's the mass murder of children. There really is no middle ground.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Original sin, bruh. Humanity and all of nature exists in a fallen state because of us. God would have been a pretty shitty craftsman otherwise. "Behold! The world, in all its glory! But I, uh, couldn't work out all the bugs. So look out for cancer, miscarriage, etc."

Some lady ate the wrong fruit so the rest of humanity gets to deal with unspeakable pain and suffering. Seems legit.

"You don't understand Buster, I get to send a tsunami whenever I want because Eve disobeyed my rules that I put in place knowing she'd break them because, well, I'm omniscient." - God

 

[Buster Bluth]

Good Lord.

No such thing, judging by his record.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Some lady ate the wrong fruit so the rest of humanity gets to deal with unspeakable pain and suffering. Seems legit.

Here's St. Augustine writing in the 4th century against a literal interpretation of Genesis:

“Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.

Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.

If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."

You must understand on some level that you can't dismiss Catholicism with such facile caricatures.

 

[Buster Bluth]

How is someone to interpret the Original Sin excuse in Christianity as anything other than "the first crew messed up reallll bad, and now god gets to enter Simcity Disaster Mode on us all whenever he wants until the rest of time."

The diseases really get me. Like leprosy. I can picture the g-man himself cooking up not one, but two different bacterial life forms sent to do his bidding. And then he'll send his son, ie himself, down here and cure a few lucky ones, but not bother to inform anyone that it's all entirely curable and preventable. Those are some next-level sociopathic tendencies from the Christian god.

 

[NorthDakota]

One wonders how someone so militantly anti Christianity reconciles that with cheering for the most famous Catholic school in the world.

 

[Buster Bluth]

One wonders how someone so militantly anti Christianity reconciles that with cheering for the most famous Catholic school in the world.

You see any grenades?

I think the god is made up but that doesn't mean I wouldn't consider myself culturally Catholic in the same light as culturally Jewish people.

 

[Buster Bluth]

While we're talking St. Augustine and first-trimester abortions being equivalent to murder:

''The Law does not provide that the act'' - loss of a fetus - ''pertains to homicide, because one cannot as yet say there is a live soul in that body deprived of feeling, if it is in a body not formed and therefore deprived of all feeling.''

 

[Whiskeyjack]

How is someone to interpret the Original Sin excuse in Christianity as anything other than "the first crew messed up reallll bad, and now god gets to enter Simcity Disaster Mode on us all whenever he wants until the rest of time."

God, or something very much like Him, is logically necessary. The Greeks figured this out 2,400 years old. We can continue that debate in the Theology thread if you'd like.

The diseases really get me. Like leprosy. I can picture the g-man himself cooking up not one, but two different bacterial life forms sent to do his bidding. And then he'll send his son, ie himself, down here and cure a few lucky ones, but not bother to inform anyone that it's all entirely curable and preventable. Those are some next-level sociopathic tendencies from the Christian god.

Jesus directed his followers to found a Church, not a NGO. And a lot of Western civilization--hospitals, universities, human rights, etc.--wouldn't exist but for that Church. But I digress...

If you read the biblical accounts of Jesus' healings, virtually every one is an exterior sign of an initial interior/spiritual healing. They all recognize Jesus for who he is, and he makes it clear that it's their faith that has saved them; not their good fortune in having crossed his path.

Jesus and the Apostles also make reference to Satan as "the ruler of this world." That's why the earthly institution is known as the Church Militant, because it is constantly surrounded and always operating in enemy territory. So your complaint is basically, "Why hasn't the Second Coming occurred yet?" The earliest Christians struggled with that, too. Jesus made it clear that we won't be able to predict it. But we know what Truth and Justice is now, so we have to do as best we can with the time allotted to us.

While we're talking St. Augustine and first-trimester abortions being equivalent to murder:

I addressed this almost exactly one year ago in the Theology thread. The following mentions Aquinas (who mostly famously synthesized Aristotle and Augustine), but it applies equally to that quote from Augustine:

That was Aquinas' most famous error (and likely his most harmful error, since it was cited by the majority in Roe v. Wade.) But this error was not his fault, as he was simply utilizing the best scientific knowledge of his day. In this case, he relied on Aristotle's History of Animals (Book 7, Part 3) as to when "quickening" occurs, which led him to conclude that ensoulment happens later than conception. But if you apply Thomistic principles to modern embryology, you arrive exactly at the Church's current position that human life begins at conception. It is to the Church's credit that it strives to incorporates the best science available in its teachings on such subjects.

Veritate has already mentioned this point, but I'll reiterate that--regardless of the side debate over when ensoulment occurs--the Church has consistently condemned direct abortions from the very beginning.

 

[SonofOahu]

Still don't support the death penalty.

Hold on... I'm actually on the right of you, on something?

 

[connor_in]

Any comments on the Zuckerberg testimony and Facebook policies/future?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">this zuckerberg hearing is lit af <a href="https://t.co/w6G3XkTjWr">pic.twitter.com/w6G3XkTjWr</a></p>— Sonny Bunch (@SonnyBunch) <a href="https://twitter.com/SonnyBunch/status/983775952449744897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Rogue219]

Yesterday was Winklevoss Vindication Day. I took the afternoon off work.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Any comments on the Zuckerberg testimony and Facebook policies/future?

Yes. Our Congress is worse than useless. We'd be better off without it.

 

[wizards8507]

Any comments on the Zuckerberg testimony and Facebook policies/future?

I'm not sure what's more delicious, the live testimony or the subsequent memery.

Some dipshit congressman just blamed Zuck for the opioid crisis. Not an exaggeration.

 

[NorthDakota]

Hold on... I'm actually on the right of you, on something?

You are probably to the right of me on other things too, depending on how you look at the spectrum.

 

[wizards8507]

BAHAHAHA this dipshit congresswoman just called him "Mr. Zuckerman." She's the co-chair of the newly formed "Technology Accountability Caucus." Good thing we have the Technology Accountability Caucus to keep Mark Zuckerman, Jeff Bezope, Elon Misk, and Tim Chef in line.

 

[ACamp1900]

BAHAHAHA this dipshit congresswoman just called him "Mr. Zuckerman." She's the co-chair of the newly formed "Technology Accountability Caucus." Good thing we have the Technology Accountability Caucus to keep Mark Zuckerman, Jeff Bezope, Elon Misk, and Tim Chef in line.

"I'm sure we're all quite impressed. Particularly with your love for our country, Mr. Zuckerman..."

 

[GowerND11]

Questioning how Facebook makes money when it's free to sign up was awesome.

 

[ACamp1900]

Questioning how Facebook makes money when it's free to sign up was awesome.

Oh my goodness I would have loved to be able to answer that question: "You got me, maybe it's similar to how some of your Congressional counterparts become some of the richest people in the country while only earning a salary south of 200,000 a year.... "

 

[Whiskeyjack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">US populace enraptured by footage of old men yelling at malfunctioning Artificial Intelligence. <a href="https://t.co/7qsPhWwlAA">pic.twitter.com/7qsPhWwlAA</a></p>— DPRK News Service (@DPRK_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/984105520091942913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[ulukinatme]

^^^ Good stuff.

Posted in that Tweet:

 

[SonofOahu]

^^^ Good stuff.

Posted in that Tweet:

So good

 

[Rogue219]

Zuckerberg is married with kids. He's 33 years old and incredibly wealthy. I've seen enough articles this week about this being a "coming of age" moment for him enough to make me want to throw up.

I guess standards are set lower for those in the public eye than for regular people. Nothing like the mega wealthy guy who owns Facebook becoming a man before the Senate Judiciary at 33 years old.

Give me a break.

 

[greyhammer90]

Idk why this is so funny to me.

 

[NorthDakota]

Idk why this is so funny to me.

The memes are straight fire.

 

[Rogue219]

 

[connor_in]

Zuckerberg is married with kids. He's 33 years old and incredibly wealthy. I've seen enough articles this week about this being a "coming of age" moment for him enough to make me want to throw up.

I guess standards are set lower for those in the public eye than for regular people. Nothing like the mega wealthy guy who owns Facebook becoming a man before the Senate Judiciary at 33 years old.

Give me a break.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stop infantilizing Mark Zuckerberg! Also, here’s his booster seat. (Photographs by Evy Mages.) <a href="https://t.co/MeKwDZwIEF">pic.twitter.com/MeKwDZwIEF</a></p>— Andrew Beaujon (@abeaujon) <a href="https://twitter.com/abeaujon/status/983747235417608192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mark Zuckerberg in a booster seat looks like he’s about to ask the waitress for chicken fingers and apple juice <a href="https://t.co/oGA6RkGE4S">pic.twitter.com/oGA6RkGE4S</a></p>— Jules (@Julian_Epp) <a href="https://twitter.com/Julian_Epp/status/983919593025671168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[ACamp1900]

The last supper one got me too... lolol

 

[loomis41973]

Booster seat or cushion for his sore ass?

 

[connor_in]