Politics

[BobD]

You don't have to raise revenue via tax increases. You can raise it by succeeding in growing businesses too.....something Obama hasn't grasped apparently. We'd had pathetic GDP growth under Obama.

....when the internet revolutionized business.

Buster, Serious question. Do you have any info on how much of a negative impact the internet has had on "brick and mortar" businesses or state and local tax revenue? Is the internet helping to destroy our schools and public services?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

You don't have to raise revenue via tax increases. You can raise it by succeeding in growing businesses too.....something Obama hasn't grasped apparently. We'd had pathetic GDP growth under Obama.



They can.



....when the internet revolutionized business.




Borrowing more hundreds of billions of dollars to overpay union construction crews to build roads and bridges is not the path to prosperity. Those are not legitimate jobs that add worth to the country. How do you not get that?

Our infrastructure is in deplorable condition. Sending money on jobs to fix it puts money in middle class pockets and improves what we have. How do you not get that?

No President since Eisenhower (I think?) has paid a single dollar on the principle of the debt, so your claim is foolish. Mitt Romney is much closer to Clinton than he is Bush.

Mitt romney used to be closer to Clinton than Bush Jr., but he's had to pander to the extreme right to get to the nomination.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

You don't have to raise revenue via tax increases. You can raise it by succeeding in growing businesses too.....something Obama hasn't grasped apparently. We'd had pathetic GDP growth under Obama.



They can.



....when the internet revolutionized business.




Borrowing more hundreds of billions of dollars to overpay union construction crews to build roads and bridges is not the path to prosperity. Those are not legitimate jobs that add worth to the country. How do you not get that?



No President since Eisenhower (I think?) has paid a single dollar on the principle of the debt, so your claim is foolish. Mitt Romney is much closer to Clinton than he is Bush.

Our infrastructure is in deplorable condition. Sending money on jobs to fix it puts money in middle class pockets and improves what we have. How do you not get that?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I will say that I do like healthy discussion. I'm one who believes that we are all on the same team, but have different feelings on how to get where we want to go to better our country.

 

[STLDomer]

 

[peoriairish]

Our infrastructure is in deplorable condition. Sending money on jobs to fix it puts money in middle class pockets and improves what we have. How do you not get that?

It also puts the government more in debt. The public is going to have to make sacrifices in some of the free services they are receiving now for a while in order for the economy and country to get back on track.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Lloyd!

 

[magogian]

Wow, Obama and Romney are tied in this poll.

 

[PerthDomer]

I think Romney wants to fundamentally streamline the tax code, making the US much more competitive. Given his background in industry and the Olympics I think he knows how to streamline an out of control bureaucracy. Furthermore, throwing money at road/bridge building is going to enrich unions and increase our debt. It's not a long term fix to the structural problems in our economy.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

It also puts the government more in debt. The public is going to have to make sacrifices in some of the free services they are receiving now for a while in order for the economy and country to get back on track.

I agree that sacrifices must be made by all. That includes the wealthiest of the wealthy having their taxes going up to what they were in 1999. Also, the big oil subsidies need to be cut (although I'm sure they would greedily pass it on to us.) They are the wealthiest businesses in the county and don't need the money. Small businesses could use that money to grow their businesses and employ more people.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I think Romney wants to fundamentally streamline the tax code, making the US much more competitive. Given his background in industry and the Olympics I think he knows how to streamline an out of control bureaucracy. Furthermore, throwing money at road/bridge building is going to enrich unions and increase our debt. It's not a long term fix to the structural problems in our economy.

So we should just let the bridges tumble and let people die because we wouldn't spend the money to fix them?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Wow, Obama and Romney are tied in this poll.

This might be the closest election in our history.

 

[jmurphy75]

I love this country but anyone who thinks we still live in a Democracy is delusional! Voting doesn't matter!

The Bilderbergs run this country and most other countries. Just do the research of how many presidents and politicians visit these annual meetings. They are bought!

And all this time I thought this country was ran by a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

So who's in this Pentavirate?
The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

 

[peoriairish]

Wow, Obama and Romney are tied in this poll.

He's winning right now, and I'm not surprised. ND = Catholic = Republican...

 

[PerthDomer]

Fixing infrastructure as needed is fine. Sinking a ton of money into it because you want to artificially fix employment numbers is another thing. Also, I dunno where you live, but infrastructure seems fine in Wisconsin.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I live in PA where the majority of roads and bridges are below standard.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I agree that sacrifices must be made by all. That includes the wealthiest of the wealthy having their taxes going up to what they were in 1999. Also, the big oil subsidies need to be cut (although I'm sure they would greedily pass it on to us.) They are the wealthiest businesses in the county and don't need the money. Small businesses could use that money to grow their businesses and employ more people.

One thing we have to be aware of is that we are a much different economy than what we were in 1999. The world has shrunk considerably due to technology. Usually, the extremely wealthy are the ones that are able to take advantage of such technologies (both individuals and corporations). They can move at will and not suffer. Most won't, but even if 100 individuals do, it is a net loss.

 

[tadman95]

]I think Romney wants to fundamentally streamline the tax code[/B], making the US much more competitive. Given his background in industry and the Olympics I think he knows how to streamline an out of control bureaucracy. Furthermore, throwing money at road/bridge building is going to enrich unions and increase our debt. It's not a long term fix to the structural problems in our economy.

I've lost count of the number of times I've heard that over the years. Sounds good but doesn't happen.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

And all this time I thought this country was ran by a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.

So who's in this Pentavirate?
The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. "Oh, you're gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!"

"Scoop of chocolate, scoop of vanilla....Stop wasting my time."
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[Ndaccountant]

He's winning right now, and I'm not surprised. ND = Catholic = Republican...

Maybe this will change your opinion on that.....

http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/FRStats/PresidentialVoteOnly.pdf

 

[johnnykillz]

And on to page 3 we go...

Next topic: welfare.

How does one feel about EBT for lobster, and steak?
And beer on a separate ticket.

 

[johnnykillz]

" SURF AND TURF " politics Comments

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

And on to page 3 we go...

Next topic: welfare.

How does one feel about EBT for lobster, and steak?
And beer on a separate ticket.

I don't like it. Reforms need to be made in the welfare system. It troubles me that more people are falling into poverty instead of moving into the middle class.

 

[peoriairish]

Maybe this will change your opinion on that.....

http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServices/FRStats/PresidentialVoteOnly.pdf

Interesting. It did however say estimates and what they didn't provide were the standard deviations for those numbers. Still an interesting and to me, surprising stat.

 

[tadman95]

And on to page 3 we go...

Next topic: welfare.

How does one feel about EBT for lobster, and steak?
And beer on a separate ticket.

I don't like but I don't like corporate welfare either.

 

[woolybug25]

And that's not to say that Obama isn't rich or get it. He went to Ivy League schools, he went to a high school which has a tuition of $19,000/yr this year. He had been a part of the privileged class for a loooong time. You think Obama "gets it" when he's hosting $40,000/plate fundraisers? That's not so much a knock on Obama not "getting it," just the idea that rich guys can't get it at all.

I'm voting for the guy with a proven track record of success. A guy who has built companies to compete globally, a guy who has managed corporations and organizations from failure to success, and has solved huge budget crisis.

Obama just paid off his own student loans a few years ago. He is not the "privileged class" you portray him as.

Romney was a venture capitalist. He didn't build companies, he bought them. Then would proceed to tear them apart and put their employees out of work. For instance, the GST/Armco merger put 750 people out of work and the company eventually went bankrupt. Bain Capital walked away with a $58 million profit, pulled directly from the profits of the company as they went into bankruptcy. Meanwhile, they were underfunding their pension which was sugar on top for all of those people they laid off. They got to lose their jobs and their retirement. Savvy businessman, indeed.

I wouldn't vote for Romney regardless of his party, mostly because I don't want the Mormon church running our country. Which is exactly what will happen.

Buster, for a young dude, you are one worked up fella. Relax a little bit, homie. Otherwise you are going to have some serious health issues as you get older. I know this from experience.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Interesting. It did however say estimates and what they didn't provide were the standard deviations for those numbers. Still an interesting and to me, surprising stat.

Over the years, the Catholic vote is the most divided among religious blocs. At least, that is what I can recall reading over the years.

 

[johnnykillz]

I don't like but I don't like corporate welfare either.

You cannot ignore lifetime welfare users.

Nor can you ignore lifetime corporate crooks.

But, which is the lesser of the evils?

 

[phork]

Romney streamlines companies by shipping manufacturing overseas.

 

[phork]

I don't like it. Reforms need to be made in the welfare system. It troubles me that more people are falling into poverty instead of moving into the middle class.

The middle class is not a sustainable commodity anymore. Its being eroded and eaten away.