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GOP pushes overtime bill in weekly address - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

As a government employee this kinda bothers me. I like my comp time and don't complain about it but when we have calls or extra staffing is needed i want my over time just like everyone else. That's the only way a working person can make extra money. This rubs me the wrong way.

Can you elaborate a little more on this? I am not sure I am following. Either way, you getting paid except you are getting PTO instead of OT $'s, at least, that is the way I read it. As long as employees have a choice, what is the problem? Are you concerned that PTO would replace OT outright?
 

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Can you elaborate a little more on this? I am not sure I am following. Either way, you getting paid except you are getting PTO instead of OT $'s, at least, that is the way I read it. As long as employees have a choice, what is the problem? Are you concerned that PTO would replace OT outright?

For example weather i am working or not i get a comp day for 11 holidays. Where i work at a 911 center we have staffing requirements so if we have a call out on another shift and makes them below that level they have to fill it and if a storm or large festival are happening they up the staffing and that's over time. I would be less likely to pick up that shift if i am pretty much swapping it for a day off. I pick up the OT for the money not the day off.

Maybe i miss read the article??
 

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Can you elaborate a little more on this? I am not sure I am following. Either way, you getting paid except you are getting PTO instead of OT $'s, at least, that is the way I read it. As long as employees have a choice, what is the problem? Are you concerned that PTO would replace OT outright?

The only issue I have is that say you agree to trade your OT for comp time, the employer can determine if and when you can use your comp time. So the employee really doesn't have choice when it comes down to it.

At the hospital I work we are on a PTO (paid time off) system as opposed to a vaccation day system yet we still get overtime time pay. I'm not sure why this bill was done or even necessary.

Furthermore I don't understand why the party of non regulation is trying add regulation to the workplace.
 

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So IRS was targeting non-profits for audits that included "Tea Party" or "Patriots" in their names.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/us/politics/republicans-call-for-irs-inquiry-after-disclosure.html?_r=0

Think an apology is all that comes out of this? Are you paranoid if they really are after you?

We seriously need to scale back this pig we call federal government. If Cruz is truly libertarian at his core, I will gladly deal with a few far right social crusades to promote fundamentally libertarian politician.

I'll put my stock in Rand Paul though, I think he has the chops to take on the Republican establishment without completely selling out to nut-job bible bangers.
 

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Hate to do this but I would like a estimate on how many vbucks Bobd has made on this thread?

As close as I can tell, we get approximately 19.75 vbucks when someone post in a thread started by one of us. I'd have to defer the question to a mod for clarification. In any case I can confirm nobody is getting rich by starting threads.

Gambling is the only way to get ahead.
 

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As close as I can tell, we get approximately 19.75 vbucks when someone post in a thread started by one of us. I'd have to defer the question to a mod for clarification. In any case I can confirm nobody is getting rich by starting threads.

Gambling is the only way to get ahead.

I wonder what the rate of inflation on vbucks is.

It has got to be ridiculous.
 

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For example weather i am working or not i get a comp day for 11 holidays. Where i work at a 911 center we have staffing requirements so if we have a call out on another shift and makes them below that level they have to fill it and if a storm or large festival are happening they up the staffing and that's over time. I would be less likely to pick up that shift if i am pretty much swapping it for a day off. I pick up the OT for the money not the day off.

Maybe i miss read the article??

I just want to make sure I am seeing what you are seeing.

When you swap days off for OT pay, do you get time off for a day you would normally work? If so, is it paid?

While I know this probably isn't the case, but if you worked mon-fri and worked OT on the weekend for 6 hours and they gave you next friday off paid, aren't you more or less whole?
 

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The only issue I have is that say you agree to trade your OT for comp time, the employer can determine if and when you can use your comp time. So the employee really doesn't have choice when it comes down to it.

At the hospital I work we are on a PTO (paid time off) system as opposed to a vaccation day system yet we still get overtime time pay. I'm not sure why this bill was done or even necessary.

Furthermore I don't understand why the party of non regulation is trying add regulation to the workplace.

Well, those systems are unique given the industry. In most cases, you get X number of vacations days a year. If you work extra, you get compensated, but no additional time off. Some companies g\do offer comp time, but not all.

As far as regulation is concerned, I would need to know more on how it would be administered before drawing a conlcusion one way or another.
 

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So IRS was targeting non-profits for audits that included "Tea Party" or "Patriots" in their names.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/13/us/politics/republicans-call-for-irs-inquiry-after-disclosure.html?_r=0

Think an apology is all that comes out of this? Are you paranoid if they really are after you?

We seriously need to scale back this pig we call federal government. If Cruz is truly libertarian at his core, I will gladly deal with a few far right social crusades to promote fundamentally libertarian politician.

I'll put my stock in Rand Paul though, I think he has the chops to take on the Republican establishment without completely selling out to nut-job bible bangers.


What he said only about Cruz but about Rand as well:

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He's going to be against gays, abortion, and gun regulation (aka cling to runs and religion), and still be 100% in bed with the corporations just like they all are. He's not a voice for conservatives, he's a pawn in the game who just so happens to discriminate against gays, think abortion is murder (it is), and bow to the gun lobby while he's at it. That's today's conservatism. Liberal federal politicians aren't any better, for the record.

Haven't done a big rant in a while

I actually am behind a lot of true conservative principles. I kind of subscribe alot to Jefferson's thinking. Jefferson was in favor of government ensuring a strong education system, or general social welfare but favored doing it the state and local level. Being conservative doesn't mean destroying the social safety net, disregarding infrastructure, and education. It means doing it in the form of things like bloc grants because state/local governments don't have the borrowing capacity that the federal government has. The theory is, and I do agree with it to a good extent is that state and local governments will be more efficent with the funds.

This week the House is supposed vote to repeal Obamacare for the 38th time. My suggestion would be instead of repealling and going back to the status quo which is not ideal as there are too many uninsured. Instead as a republican strategist I suggest replacing with a state run plan. You could easily take the nearly $1 trillion in taxes from the MC payroll increase, the 3.8 sur-tax on capital gains over 250k, the tax on insurance companies, medical devices, etc and give all to the states to set up their own plans on a per capita basis. You won't look like heartless bastards trying to skrew the uninsured. The state governments can then set up a plan ideal for their state, rather it be state single payer like Vermont is attempting in 2016, an Obamacare plan at the state level (like Romneycare in MA),or states could simply use the funding to give vouchers to their residents to help them pay for their health insurance.

Today's conservatives are totally in bed with today's Megacorporations. Yes as Buster pointed on Democrats are not any better as they tend to be in bed with Wall Street and the banks. I give Barack Obama credit for being progressive on environmental, educational, and social issues. I have to say though, I am disappointed that his economic advisory team is full of people from Wall Street. His promise to get tough on the banks after getting elected has been a joke.

There are some liberals like Keith Ellison, and Elizabeth Warren (who is actually attacking the banks) that I think hold the interest of their constituents over the corporations. I don't follow Republican candidates as well but I'm sure their are some good one's as well. The fact is though those types of policticians are in the minority.
 
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As close as I can tell, we get approximately 19.75 vbucks when someone post in a thread started by one of us. I'd have to defer the question to a mod for clarification. In any case I can confirm nobody is getting rich by starting threads.

Gambling is the only way to get ahead.

I've got a trip to Atlantic City coming up that will likely prove you wrong.
 

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I just want to make sure I am seeing what you are seeing.

When you swap days off for OT pay, do you get time off for a day you would normally work? If so, is it paid?

While I know this probably isn't the case, but if you worked mon-fri and worked OT on the weekend for 6 hours and they gave you next friday off paid, aren't you more or less whole?

After rereading the article and some our policies in our hand book won't affect me.

But it could cause problems for other people at their jobs. This is our chance to make extra money just leave us be damn it.
 
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And you wanna put Hilary in the white house next time? LOL....Can't even keep her own house in order.

Doesn't matter, Bengzhi will destroy her. And I'd love to see her in a debate....LOL

Only crazy people who weren't going to vote for HIllary regardless care about Benghazi.
 

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Only crazy people who weren't going to vote for HIllary regardless care about Benghazi.

If that is true, our nation is full of asshats.

I talked about this with my dad this weekend. We both are disturbed by this, but for different reasons.

His generation, as he put it, would expect the straight and narrow. It wasn't about politics and never was about politics 25-30 years ago. It was about doing the right thing and letting the American people know what is going on. The White House is supposed to lead, not play politics.

As for me, this kind of back and forth happens all too frequently. Sadly, I am jaded by the American political system and have come to expect nothing but the worst from government leaders. Lying, cheating, wierd sex allegations, all the norm now and nothing surprises me. In fact, there are few politicans that I feel actually have a desire and ability to lead. Where this whole situation disturbs me is that I would absolutely expect the White House to be fully engaged when US officials are under attack, not out campaigning as was reported. I would expect State Department officials to adhere to pleas of both high ranking and low ranking workers on the obvious safety issues.

In short, my dad is upset with what has happened since the attack. I am upset by what happened before and during the attack.

Either way, the American public is full of dumbasses that would rather watch a trial of some whack job lady in Arizona than pay attention to what is happening around the world.
 

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Okay someone is welcomed to take a shot here and tell me where the cover up is. He acknowledges the attack occurred and four Americans died.

This is a waste of time. There are legitimant things to attack Obama on, even I got some which is saying something.

Rose Garden

10:43 A.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Every day, all across the world, American diplomats and civilians work tirelessly to advance the interests and values of our nation. Often, they are away from their families. Sometimes, they brave great danger.

Yesterday, four of these extraordinary Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi. Among those killed was our Ambassador, Chris Stevens, as well as Foreign Service Officer Sean Smith. We are still notifying the families of the others who were killed. And today, the American people stand united in holding the families of the four Americans in our thoughts and in our prayers.

The United States condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. We're working with the government of Libya to secure our diplomats. I've also directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. And make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people.

Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence. None. The world must stand together to unequivocally reject these brutal acts.

Already, many Libyans have joined us in doing so, and this attack will not break the bonds between the United States and Libya. Libyan security personnel fought back against the attackers alongside Americans. Libyans helped some of our diplomats find safety, and they carried Ambassador Stevens’s body to the hospital, where we tragically learned that he had died.

It's especially tragic that Chris Stevens died in Benghazi because it is a city that he helped to save. At the height of the Libyan revolution, Chris led our diplomatic post in Benghazi. With characteristic skill, courage, and resolve, he built partnerships with Libyan revolutionaries, and helped them as they planned to build a new Libya. When the Qaddafi regime came to an end, Chris was there to serve as our ambassador to the new Libya, and he worked tirelessly to support this young democracy, and I think both Secretary Clinton and I relied deeply on his knowledge of the situation on the ground there. He was a role model to all who worked with him and to the young diplomats who aspire to walk in his footsteps.

Along with his colleagues, Chris died in a country that is still striving to emerge from the recent experience of war. Today, the loss of these four Americans is fresh, but our memories of them linger on. I have no doubt that their legacy will live on through the work that they did far from our shores and in the hearts of those who love them back home.
Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers. These four Americans stood up for freedom and human dignity. They should give every American great pride in the country that they served, and the hope that our flag represents to people around the globe who also yearn to live in freedom and with dignity.

We grieve with their families, but let us carry on their memory, and let us continue their work of seeking a stronger America and a better world for all of our children.

Thank you. May God bless the memory of those we lost and may God bless the United States of America.
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Gov't obtains wide AP phone records in probe

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.
 
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Okay someone is welcomed to take a shot here and tell me where the cover up is. He acknowledges the attack occurred and four Americans died.

This is a waste of time. There are legitimant things to attack Obama on, even I got some which is saying something.

You don't see even a slight problem with the White House editing memos and lying to the entire country to play down the attacks as not being necessarily from Al-Qaeda...weeks before an election during which he has been touting "Al-Qaeda is on the run!" the entire time???????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME????
 

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Freedom is an illusion...

Gov't obtains wide AP phone records in probe

"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.

I smell a revolution brewing.

There isn't much communication that can't be and isn't monitored in some way. It's been that way for quite awhile. I don't care because I don't talk about anything illegal, but I think it would shock a lot of folks to know who else is using your computer and cell phone.
 

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You don't see even a slight problem with the White House editing memos and lying to the entire country to play down the attacks as not being necessarily from Al-Qaeda...weeks before an election during which he has been touting "Al-Qaeda is on the run!" the entire time???????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME????

I'd have to see what the revisions where.

White House did release all 12 revisions to the House intelligence committee in March.

So the WH released the revisions to Congress, so what exactly are they still hiding.

I got a theory that this all about spoon feeding the hardcore right base. Obama did say something very brief today but really he hasn't been all that defensive about it.

On May 19 the debt limit was supposed expire. Now the deficit is actually falling faster than projected and the treasury can play games with the funds. Now the hard core GOP wants Obama to make all these drastic cuts which he said he won't do. So there going to have to pass a moderate/centrist spending package. I think this all a set up to give the right something to bark about, heck their may even be an impeachment from the House, of course no conviction from the Senate. It would give the House republicans cover to vote on a moderate grand bargain type deal because their base will forgive them if they voted to impeach Obama.
 

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You don't see even a slight problem with the White House editing memos and lying to the entire country to play down the attacks as not being necessarily from Al-Qaeda...weeks before an election during which he has been touting "Al-Qaeda is on the run!" the entire time???????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME????

Buster, that guy is from Chicago. Enough said
 

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You don't see even a slight problem with the White House editing memos and lying to the entire country to play down the attacks as not being necessarily from Al-Qaeda...weeks before an election during which he has been touting "Al-Qaeda is on the run!" the entire time???????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME????

Unfortunately he isn't...and pkt says I'm off my rocker lol
 

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So let me get this straight.

Obama never denied that this was an act of violence and that 4 Americans died.

The big controversy was that Obama initially implied that this was a violent act that escalated out of video demonstration, instead of an Islamic terrorist attack. Right?

Now was anyone harmed by Obama implying it was a demonstration?

George W Bush and Dick Cheney said there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Thousands of Americans died and we blew over a trillion dollars. Where were those weapons of mass destruction? Oh wait we never found them.

Why aren't we outraged about that lie.
 

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I'd have to see what the revisions where.

White House did release all 12 revisions to the House intelligence committee in March.

So the WH released the revisions to Congress, so what exactly are they still hiding.

I got a theory that this all about spoon feeding the hardcore right base. Obama did say something very brief today but really he hasn't been all that defensive about it.

On May 19 the debt limit was supposed expire. Now the deficit is actually falling faster than projected and the treasury can play games with the funds. Now the hard core GOP wants Obama to make all these drastic cuts which he said he won't do. So there going to have to pass a moderate/centrist spending package. I think this all a set up to give the right something to bark about, heck their may even be an impeachment from the House, of course no conviction from the Senate. It would give the House republicans cover to vote on a moderate grand bargain type deal because their base will forgive them if they voted to impeach Obama.

The WH still hasn't said it's a big deal. This isn't anything according to them.

Well, I say something else. First, why blame it on a video? Why continue to mention a video as if it is fact when you know it isn't? Why say nothing was edited when it clearly was? I can go on if you want me to, but the fact is, the WH has opened up a nasty can of worms here. When people have proof that you lied, you know open yourself up for everyone to question everything and not simply take it at face value. Add this to the wire tap and the IRS, give me one reason why we should trust anything coming from Washington?
 

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So let me get this straight.

Obama never denied that this was an act of violence and that 4 Americans died.

The big controversy was that Obama initially implied that this was a violent act that escalated out of video demonstration, instead of an Islamic terrorist attack. Right?

Now was anyone harmed by Obama implying it was a demonstration?

George W Bush and Dick Cheney said there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Thousands of Americans died and we blew over a trillion dollars. Where were those weapons of mass destruction? Oh wait we never found them.

Why aren't we outraged about that lie.

People were.
 

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The WH still hasn't said it's a big deal. This isn't anything according to them.

Well, I say something else. First, why blame it on a video? Why continue to mention a video as if it is fact when you know it isn't? Why say nothing was edited when it clearly was? I can go on if you want me to, but the fact is, the WH has opened up a nasty can of worms here. When people have proof that you lied, you know open yourself up for everyone to question everything and not simply take it at face value. Add this to the wire tap and the IRS, give me one reason why we should trust anything coming from Washington?

The IRS thing has me upset as well, and that is a much more of serious concern of mine. The IRS is part of the executive but typically do their own thing. Obama seemed pretty pissed at them today. Rather it was for show or not is one's own call.

By the way one of downside of this is these tax exempt 501c4 groups are going to be able to get away with even more because the IRS is going to be gun shy. I am part of a couple of liberal groups, one of which is a 501c4 social welfare group similar to right groups like Americans for prosperity. I can tell that the 501c4 group I'm with is non partisan because we have supported Republicans are on certain issues but are issues are completely partisan.

Groups like these shouldn't be tax exempt. These 501c4 groups have exploded too since Citizens United.

By the way I have to ask my friends on the right who claim to be about getting government out of business. How can we get government out of the economy until we get corporations out of Washington? We have corporations lobby for government regulation or tax/lack of tax that will benefit them. If you guys claim to be about pure free market competition how can you not be about campaign finance reform? Anyway I digress.
 

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So let me get this straight.

Obama never denied that this was an act of violence and that 4 Americans died.

The big controversy was that Obama initially implied that this was a violent act that escalated out of video demonstration, instead of an Islamic terrorist attack. Right?

Now was anyone harmed by Obama implying it was a demonstration?.

"What does it matter?" - HRC
 

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By the way in terms of privacy and wire tapping. I thought I would point out that House Republicans passed this monstrous anti-privacy legislation. Yea the party of civil liberties.

Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Harry Reid has killed it by refusing to have a vote on it plus there was an Obama veto threat. So yea that constitution shredding Democrats protected your right to privacy on the internet.
 
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