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[pkt77242]

That's funny too. Progressives are obsessed with race (see 2008 and 2012). And with Cruz and his professors at Harvard, I wouldn't doubt it. Harvard? Not exactly crawling with pro-capitalist, constitution adoring patriots. I mean, it's not like Cruz told every business owner in America they didn't build that.

Um, you just went off the ****ing deep end. Harvard Business School is full of pro-capitalist people. Also constitution adoring patriots? GTFO. Who the Hell are you to say if other people believe in the consitution or are more American. That is a very Joseph McCarthy type of statement.

Also it is great that you are taking Obama out of context, too bad you didn't pay attention to the whole entire point he was making. We all needed someone else to help us get where we are, a parent, a teacher who helped us, a mentor at our company, someone to build the street and water pipes that run out to their small business, etc. I find it funny how conservatives trash the idea that we all need help to succeed but than talk about how their is no community anymore, we don't know our neighbors, they miss the old days, and family values.

 

[chicago51]

I don't like bringing religion into this but I can make a Christian case for the Democrat platform.

Matthew 25: 31-46 is where I'd start for economic issues but I can make the case on social issues as well as economic.

Again I would prefer not bringing religion into it.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Um, you just went off the ****ing deep end. Harvard Business School is full of pro-capitalist people. Also constitution adoring patriots? GTFO. Who the Hell are you to say if other people believe in the consitution or are more American. That is a very Joseph McCarthy type of statement.

Also it is great that you are taking Obama out of context, too bad you didn't pay attention to the whole entire point he was making. We all needed someone else to help us get where we are, a parent, a teacher who helped us, a mentor at our company, someone to build the street and water pipes that run out to their small business, etc. I find it funny how conservatives trash the idea that we all need help to succeed but than talk about how their is no community anymore, we don't know our neighbors, they miss the old days, and family values.

I'd hope any college's business school is full of pro capitalist faculty lol, it's the rest of the cooks that define "liberal professor." I read a book by David Horowitz called "The Professors", and some of these professors (Harvard included) despise the Constitution and the founding principles of this country. If you want to turn a blind eye to it, be my guest. It's real and it's been going on for decades.

I took Obama at his words, not out of context. We understand the president delivering a commencement speech and telling the grads, "You didn't get here on your own. Your parents helped you, teachers helped you, friends helped you, etc." The president told every business owner in America they are not responsible for their own success. There's a clear difference in the message and the audience.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I don't like bringing religion into this but I can make a Christian case for the Democrat platform.

Matthew 25: 31-46 is where I'd start for economic issues but I can make the case on social issues as well as economic.

Again I would prefer not bringing religion into it.

8th commandment: Thou shall not steal.

 

[pkt77242]

I'd hope any college's business school is full of pro capitalist faculty lol, it's the rest of the cooks that define "liberal professor." I read a book by David Horowitz called "The Professors", and some of these professors (Harvard included) despise the Constitution and the founding principles of this country. If you want to turn a blind eye to it, be my guest. It's real and it's been going on for decades.

I took Obama at his words, not out of context. We understand the president delivering a commencement speech and telling the grads, "You didn't get here on your own. Your parents helped you, teachers helped you, friends helped you, etc." The president told every business owner in America they are not responsible for their own success. There's a clear difference in the message and the audience.

Obviously you have never read his full quote, just that little bit. PolitiFact | In context: Obama's ‘you didn't build that' comment

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."

 

[Buster Bluth]

If the people in Texas elected him, he's already credible. Funny that you call him a nut job. On paper he's got many similarities with dictator obama.

Only difference is he has an "R" behind his name and you call him a nut job. Cruz isn't running for president but he will continue to be a strong voice for conservatives.

He's going to be against gays, abortion, and gun regulation (aka cling to runs and religion), and still be 100% in bed with the corporations just like they all are. He's not a voice for conservatives, he's a pawn in the game who just so happens to discriminate against gays, think abortion is murder (it is), and bow to the gun lobby while he's at it. That's today's conservatism. Liberal federal politicians aren't any better, for the record.

 

[pkt77242]

I'd hope any college's business school is full of pro capitalist faculty lol, it's the rest of the cooks that define "liberal professor." I read a book by David Horowitz called "The Professors", and some of these professors (Harvard included) despise the Constitution and the founding principles of this country. If you want to turn a blind eye to it, be my guest. It's real and it's been going on for decades.

I took Obama at his words, not out of context. We understand the president delivering a commencement speech and telling the grads, "You didn't get here on your own. Your parents helped you, teachers helped you, friends helped you, etc." The president told every business owner in America they are not responsible for their own success. There's a clear difference in the message and the audience.

I think it is funny when people argue that the Constitution is some perfect magical document and the founders knew everything. There is no doubt that the founders were brilliant people, but they were brilliant imperfect people. They decided that white male landowners were the only people who should vote (basically viewing women and the poor as less than a person). They also allowed slavery to continue and lets not even get into what they did to the Native Americans. We have continually tweaked the Constitution, by abolishing slavery, allowing women and non landowners to vote, civil rights, and even messed around with alcohol. There was chaning how we elect Senators and placing term limits on the Presidency.

Basically what I am saying is that they don't hate the Constitution but they view it as an imperfect but great document that still needs work to bring it up to the 21st Century not the 18th Century.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Got a link? Not familiar with the story, but there's gotta be more to it.

--Nancy Pelosi said they had to pass obamacare so we all could see what's in it.
--Barack Obama won the nobel peace prize.
-- Joe Biden. Enough said.

I could go on and on. If all you have on Cruz is a publicity thing for MS and calling some leftist profs at Harvard communists, that's scraping the barrel.

I think you're a die hard, Catholic fan of The University of Notre Dame. The fact that you and others like you align yourself so loyally to the left wing, who has segments of people attacking Christianity every day (ACLU), is nutty to me.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...8YliR1SSTBwdAchew&sig2=l_dpM5OqOkGT1pRytWDsgw

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I think it is funny when people argue that the Constitution is some perfect magical document and the founders knew everything. There is no doubt that the founders were brilliant people, but they were brilliant imperfect people. They decided that white male landowners were the only people who should vote (basically viewing women and the poor as less than a person). They also allowed slavery to continue and lets not even get into what they did to the Native Americans. We have continually tweaked the Constitution, by abolishing slavery, allowing women and non landowners to vote, civil rights, and even messed around with alcohol. There was chaning how we elect Senators and placing term limits on the Presidency.

Basically what I am saying is that they don't hate the Constitution but they view it as an imperfect but great document that still needs work to bring it up to the 21st Century not the 18th Century.

I didn't know I was having a conversation with a Harvard faculty member lol. I think it's funny when progressives are so quick to defend those who hate us and our country, mock our founding principles, etc. Our president still hasn't used the words "muslim terrorist" even after Fort Hood and Boston. Amazing.

I'm all for amending the Constitution if it's done the right way so we can adapt to changing times. Let's call it as it is: for 2013 it isn't perfect, but it's one of the greatest documents ever written. It put a foundation in place so that all of us could live in the most prosperous society known to man. And it really frustrates Obama:

"“Our Founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes.” ---- February 7, 2012

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Got a link? Not familiar with the story, but there's gotta be more to it.

--Nancy Pelosi said they had to pass obamacare so we all could see what's in it.
--Barack Obama won the nobel peace prize.
-- Joe Biden. Enough said.

I could go on and on. If all you have on Cruz is a publicity thing for MS and calling some leftist profs at Harvard communists, that's scraping the barrel.

I think you're a die hard, Catholic fan of The University of Notre Dame. The fact that you and others like you align yourself so loyally to the left wing, who has segments of people attacking Christianity every day (ACLU), is nutty to me.

Both sides have their nuts. I think that the Dems do a better job of fighting for the middle class. That's why I support them.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I didn't know I was having a conversation with a Harvard faculty member lol. I think it's funny when progressives are so quick to defend those who hate us and our country, mock our founding principles, etc. Our president still hasn't used the words "muslim terrorist" even after Fort Hood and Boston. Amazing.

I'm all for amending the Constitution if it's done the right way so we can adapt to changing times. Let's call it as it is: for 2013 it isn't perfect, but it's one of the greatest documents ever written. It put a foundation in place so that all of us could live in the most prosperous society known to man. And it really frustrates Obama:

"“Our Founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometimes.” ---- February 7, 2012

According to Michelle Bachmann, the founding fathers fought to end slavery.

 

[pkt77242]

Got a link? Not familiar with the story, but there's gotta be more to it.

--Nancy Pelosi said they had to pass obamacare so we all could see what's in it.
--Barack Obama won the nobel peace prize.
-- Joe Biden. Enough said.

I could go on and on. If all you have on Cruz is a publicity thing for MS and calling some leftist profs at Harvard communists, that's scraping the barrel.

I think you're a die hard, Catholic fan of The University of Notre Dame. The fact that you and others like you align yourself so loyally to the left wing, who has segments of people attacking Christianity every day (ACLU), is nutty to me.

This is where you go off the tracks. The ACLU does not attack Christianity every day. You just don't hear about it when they defend it.

ACLU Defense of Religious Practice and Expression | American Civil Liberties Union

This covers all the times they have fought for freedeom of religion for individuals. They believe that every individual deserves relgious freedom. They are against government sponsored religion so yes they do end up in the news for fighting School districts and local governments who infringe upon individuals religious rights.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

[/B]

Both sides have their nuts. I think that the Dems do a better job of fighting for the middle class. That's why I support them.

Their rhetoric and policies do not equal results. Median household income in the past 4 years declined 5%. Everyone wants the middle class to succeed. Nothing is more silly than the idea of "Democrats are for the working man" and "Republicans only care about the rich."

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

This is where you go off the tracks. The ACLU does not attack Christianity every day. You just don't hear about it when they defend it.

ACLU Defense of Religious Practice and Expression | American Civil Liberties Union

This covers all the times they have fought for freedeom of religion for individuals. They believe that every individual deserves relgious freedom. They are against government sponsored religion so yes they do end up in the news for fighting School districts and local governments who infringe upon individuals religious rights.

Like the case the ACLU fought for in NYC about removing a cross victims' families put up at the WTC site? Hundreds and thousands of cases like these have come up and everyone knows the ACLU goes out of its way to attack Christianity at every corner. At the same time they're the first bleeding heart liberals to show up at the courthouse to defend a terrorist that had his big plot thwarted.

Priorities...

 

[connor_in]

According to Michelle Bachmann, the founding fathers fought to end slavery.

Brilliant! What was the name of the D senator that was afraid of that one island tipping over?

 

[phgreek]

Brilliant! What was the name of the D senator that was afraid of that one island tipping over?

Survey says.....Hank Johnson.

I saw the video, and while you wander seriously based on his demeanor...I still think he was kidding...No one could be that ignorant....not even a Democrat.

 

[phgreek]

If the people in Texas elected him, he's already credible. Funny that you call him a nut job. On paper he's got many similarities with dictator obama. Only difference is he has an "R" behind his name and you call him a nut job. Cruz isn't running for president but he will continue to be a strong voice for conservatives.


Dershowitz: Ted Cruz one of Harvard Law’s smartest students
8:34 PM 05/09/2013
Charles C. Johnson


Famed Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz ranks Sen. Ted Cruz among the school’s smartest students, adding that the Canada-born Texan can run for president in 2016.

Cruz was a “terrific student,” Dershowitz told The Daily Caller. “He was always very active in class, presenting a libertarian point of view. He didn’t strike me as a social conservative, more of a libertarian.”

“He had brilliant insights and he was clearly among the top students, as revealed by his class responses,” Dershowitz added.

Dershowitz also gave a high estimate of Massachusetts Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren — who has decidedly different political views than Cruz.

Dershowitz says he and Cruz would often debate issues presented in Dershowitz’s criminal law class. “Cruz’s views were always thoughtful and his responses were interesting,” the law professor explained. “I obviously disagreed with them and we had good arguments in class. I would challenge him and he would come up with very good responses.”

Cruz’s “career has not surprised me. I thought he would go on to accomplish important things.”

“His movement toward social conservatism has surprised me a little bit,” Dershowitz added, but “people will change and perhaps when you are at Harvard Law School you are less likely to espouse a socially conservative point of view.”

Cruz “was an outstanding student in my class,” Dershowitz said. “Without a doubt he is among the smartest students I’ve ever had… I’ve had great students but he has to be at the top of anyone’s short list, in terms of raw brain power.”

Dershowitz places Cruz alongside Warren among the Senate’s smartest members.

“Their election raised the IQ level of the Senate discernibly. The two of them have to be among the smartest senators now,” Dershowitz said.

Dershowitz and Cruz stayed in touch when Cruz was a law clerk for Justice William Rehnquist and then Texas solicitor general. Dershowitz called Cruz and wished him well when he ran for U.S. Senate.

Does Dershowitz think Cruz should run for president?

“The question is whether he can,” Dershowitz said. “I think he can. I think he’s a natural-born citizen and therefore he’s eligible to run. There will be challenges, perhaps, to his eligibility.”

But Dershowitz doesn’t think that his old student would win the 2016 GOP nomination.

“I don’t think he’ll get the nomination when you think about Rubio and posturing himself a little more to the center on immigration,” Dershowitz said. “Cruz won’t run in 2016 and that he’ll wait. Just a prediction. He would probably establish himself first before he ran.”

“Everyone is following the Obama model” of serving a few years in the U.S. Senate and then running for president, Dershowitz said.

...Ya think so Al???

 

[BobD]

I think it is funny when people argue that the Constitution is some perfect magical document and the founders knew everything. There is no doubt that the founders were brilliant people, but they were brilliant imperfect people. They decided that white male landowners were the only people who should vote (basically viewing women and the poor as less than a person). They also allowed slavery to continue and lets not even get into what they did to the Native Americans. We have continually tweaked the Constitution, by abolishing slavery, allowing women and non landowners to vote, civil rights, and even messed around with alcohol. There was chaning how we elect Senators and placing term limits on the Presidency.

Basically what I am saying is that they don't hate the Constitution but they view it as an imperfect but great document that still needs work to bring it up to the 21st Century not the 18th Century.

=Amendments to the Constitution=

"Whatever be the Constitution, great care must be taken to provide
a mode of amendment when experience or change of circumstances
shall have manifested that any part of it is unadapted to the good
of the nation." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823.

"Nothing is more likely than that [the] enumeration of powers is
defective. This is the ordinary case of all human works. Let us
then go on perfecting it by adding by way of amendment to the
Constitution those powers which time and trial show are still
wanting." --Thomas Jefferson to Wilson Nicholas, 1803.

"We have always a right to correct ancient errors, and to establish
what is more conformable to reason and convenience." -- Thomas
Jefferson to James Madison, 1801.

"I willingly acquiesce in the institutions of my country, perfect
or imperfect; and think it a duty to leave their modifications to
those who are to live under them, and are to participate of the
good or evil they may produce. The present generation has the
same right of self-government which the past one has exercised
for itself." --Thomas Jefferson to John Hampden Pleasants, 1824.

"The precept is wise which directs us to try all things, and hold
fast that which is good." --Thomas Jefferson to William Drayton, 1788.

"Let us go on perfecting the Constitution by adding, by way of
amendment, those forms which time and trial show are still
wanting." --Thomas Jefferson to Wilson Nicholas, 1803.

"The real friends of the Constitution in its federal form, if they
wish it to be immortal, should be attentive, by amendments, to
make it keep pace with the advance of the age in science and
experience. Instead of this, the European governments have
resisted reformation, until the people, seeing no other resource,
undertake it themselves by force, their only weapon, and work it
out through blood, desolation and long-continued anarchy."
--Thomas Jefferson to Robert J. Garnett, 1824.

"Our children will be as wise as we are and will establish in the
fulness of time those things not yet ripe for establishment."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1810.

"Can one generation bind another and all others in succession
forever? I think not. The Creator has made the earth for the
living, not for the dead. Rights and powers can only belong to
persons, not to things, not to mere matter unendowed with will."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

"I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes
in laws and constitutions, I think moderate imperfections had
better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate
ourselves to them and find practical means of correcting their
ill effects. But I know, also, that laws and institutions must
go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that
becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are
made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with
the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and
keep pace with the times." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval,
1816.

"We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which
fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under
the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." --Thomas Jefferson to
Samuel Kercheval, 1816.

"It is more honorable to repair a wrong than to persist in it."
--Thomas Jefferson: Address to Cherokee Nation, 1806.

"Happily for us, that when we find our constitutions defective
and insufficient to secure the happiness of our people, we can
assemble with all the coolness of philosophers, and set them to
rights, while every other nation on earth must have recourse to
arms to amend or to restore their constitutions." --Thomas
Jefferson to C. W. F. Dumas, 1787.

 

[DSully1995]

Ted Cruz the smartest? This reinforces my belief that these republicans are just playing the game...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I'll let you boys have your fun and yank each other's throats out, but what gives me the arse giggles is that people are still voting on the poll question. Last week, Romney had 158 votes. Two years later, he's at 161.

.................LMFAO....................

Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, people...

 

[irishpat183]

[/B]

Both sides have their nuts. I think that the Dems do a better job of fighting for the middle class. That's why I support them.

The most hilarious post I've ever read....L:OL

The care because they take more money in and TELL you their gonna spend it in the right places?

The best job any government can do for you is to allow you to keep more of your money and labor and stay outta your life.


By the way....What day is it? I've gotten about 2 hours of sleep since the twins got home..

 

[irishpat183]

Ted Cruz the smartest? This reinforces my belief that these republicans are just playing the game...

And you wanna put Hilary in the white house next time? LOL....Can't even keep her own house in order.

Doesn't matter, Bengzhi will destroy her. And I'd love to see her in a debate....LOL

 

[Cackalacky]

The most hilarious post I've ever read....L:OL

The care because they take more money in and TELL you their gonna spend it in the right places?

The best job any government can do for you is to allow you to keep more of your money and labor and stay outta your life.


By the way....What day is it? I've gotten about 2 hours of sleep since the twins got home..

Welcome back pat. BTW based on your post and for the time being,you may want to reverse your signature.....

Seriously..... hope all is well with the new ones.

 

[Ndaccountant]

This whole irs thing is why i dont trust government. Right, left or middle, it doesnt matter. We are supposed to trust the irs in enforcing obamacare? When will we as a country demand leaders in washington, not politicans?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

This whole irs thing is why i dont trust government. Right, left or middle, it doesnt matter. We are supposed to trust the irs in enforcing obamacare? When will we as a country demand leaders in washington, not politicans?

We don't have many statesmen anymore. Politics used to be centered on public service and that aspect has been polluted by control and self-serving pricks. Unfortunately, not enough people care about what's happening and the future of our country.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Craziest Congressman Countdown

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...9rRFkKDBoS-NFLPCQ&sig2=4u1C8-e9q6Sm8lknHiTQ4Q

 

[connor_in]

Craziest Congressman Countdown

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...9rRFkKDBoS-NFLPCQ&sig2=4u1C8-e9q6Sm8lknHiTQ4Q

Cool...maybe you can also reference such middle of the road sources like Kos, DU, Thinkprogress

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

Hate to do this but I would like a estimate on how many vbucks Bobd has made on this thread?

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Cool...maybe you can also reference such middle of the road sources like Kos, DU, Thinkprogress

I'll check them out. Thanks.

 

[irishff1014]

GOP pushes overtime bill in weekly address - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

As a government employee this kinda bothers me. I like my comp time and don't complain about it but when we have calls or extra staffing is needed i want my over time just like everyone else. That's the only way a working person can make extra money. This rubs me the wrong way.