Police State USA

[IrishLax]

^All of this is truly insane, and it's shocking that there isn't being more done to fix civil forfeiture nonsense.

 

[Irish#1]

That police force needs to be completely replaced and investigated by the SC AG.

 

[RDU Irish]

^All of this is truly insane, and it's shocking that there isn't being more done to fix civil forfeiture nonsense.

3x your money for illegal search and seizure would probably fix this quickly, if you have no charges within 24 hours your cash should be returned.

Such bullshit - the burden of proof needs to be on government with a very high standard of care. I don't have to prove I'm NOT doing something wrong just b/c I'm carrying cash around.

 

[GATTACA!]

3x your money for illegal search and seizure would probably fix this quickly, if you have no charges within 24 hours your cash should be returned.

Such bullshit - the burden of proof needs to be on government with a very high standard of care. I don't have to prove I'm NOT doing something wrong just b/c I'm carrying cash around.

Just like with wrongful death suits that get brought against officers that end up being paid out by the tax payers, if you started taking those judgements out of the departments pensions instead these issues would stop almost immediately.

 

[Irish#1]

Just like with wrongful death suits that get brought against officers that end up being paid out by the tax payers, if you started taking those judgements out of the departments pensions instead these issues would stop almost immediately.

Conversely, if you lose your suit, you should face a severe financial penalty as well. Might make people think twice before filing.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Justice Clarence Thomas has long been very critical of such practices and how asset forfeiture is abused. I'd like to see a big case make it to the SC and some major changes happen. I get the idea behind it and that it's very useful against actual drug dealers, but some police departments have abused the hell out of it and are just stealing from innocent citizens.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Judge rules Breonna Taylor's boyfriend caused her death, throws out major charges against ex-Louisville officers

The judge also threw out major felony charges against two former Louisville police officers accused of falsifying a warrant.

www.cbsnews.com

Curious as to people's opinions on this. The police executing a bad warrant didn't cause her death but her boyfriend did by shooting at intruders entering their house.

 

[NDVirginia19]

No Knock warrants for a low-level drug bust like this is an absolute sham and should absolutely be unconstitutional

 

[Irish#1]

DA didn't feel like stopping when police tried to pull her over. lol

 

[dublinirish]

 

[Irish#1]

Tell me this is a joke.

 

[ulukinatme]

Will they let me work from home?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Joseph Reyes JR isn't putting in enough OT at those rates

 

[NorthDakota]

Should probably analyze our local police departments too

 

[GoIrish41]

The average salary of a SanFrancisco police officer is $81,400, or $39 an hour. Could it be that a second-hand comment from a nameless Uber driver might be a dubious source? In order to earn $600K, the average cop would have to work more overtime hours per week than there are hours in a week.

 

[NorthDakota]

The average salary of a SanFrancisco police officer is $81,400, or $39 an hour. Could it be that a second-hand comment from a nameless Uber driver might be a dubious source?

Just glancing on my phone, I found some data on the SF city government website from a few years ago showing plenty of cops making north of $300k in salary but no overtime. It's on my phone, not on PC and the spreadsheet is a bit unwieldy.

Might try on PC later if I remember to.

 

[drayer54]

Just glancing on my phone, I found some data on the SF city government website from a few years ago showing plenty of cops making north of $300k in salary but no overtime. It's on my phone, not on PC and the spreadsheet is a bit unwieldy.

Might try on PC later if I remember to.

I saw jobs posted that pay 150 here in Indiana making north of 400k in San Fran. Someone hit me up with one to use for a raise.

 

[NorthDakota]

I saw jobs posted that pay 150 here in Indiana making north of 400k in San Fran. Someone hit me up with one to use for a raise.

I mean they have to pay very well there. At least enough for you to make rent or commute from a suburb or whatever.

 

[RDU Irish]

Pensions for those guys would be something else - OT typically gets hogged by guys retiring soon to bump those best years. Love to see how many stay in CA vs retire to Nevada or Florida for no income tax.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Police training has to adapt. This is completely unacceptable.

 

[Irish#1]

Not good. He has a knife, not a gun and the four policemen are separated from the kid by a fence. I can think of several ways to handle that without taking his life.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Not good. He has a knife, not a gun and the four policemen are separated from the kid by a fence. I can think of several ways to handle that without taking his life.

Surely someone had a tazer they could have fired instead.

 

[ulukinatme]

Police training has to adapt. This is completely unacceptable.

Sad and unacceptable. Training has to be better, but I also want to know where his caretakers were in all this? Some neighbor calls in that a drunk guy is wielding a knife? Shouldn't a caretaker been able to let someone know he's autistic and bullets were unnecessary? A tazer could definitely been implemented first. We've seen this happen before, reminds me of the boy sitting in the road that got shot, although that was far worse because I don't even think he had a weapon or was aggressive.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

but I also want to know where his caretakers were in all this? Some neighbor calls in that a drunk guy is wielding a knife? Shouldn't a caretaker been able to let someone know he's autistic and bullets were unnecessary?

God damn it. Read a fucking story.

Video shows Idaho police shooting knife-wielding teen with autism multiple times, sparking outrage

Victor Perez remained hospitalized in critical condition Tuesday after having nine bullets removed from his body and having his leg amputated, his aunt said.

www.cbsnews.com

-The boys family was in the yard with him(see the people in the video?!?).

-The boys sister told the cops not to shoot(quote from the story)
"Vazquez said Perez walked with a staggering gait because of his disabilities; he was not intoxicated. The boy's 16-year-old sister yelled to the police not to shoot and that he was "special," Vazquez said."

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Sad and unacceptable. Training has to be better, but I also want to know where his caretakers were in all this? Some neighbor calls in that a drunk guy is wielding a knife? Shouldn't a caretaker been able to let someone know he's autistic and bullets were unnecessary? A tazer could definitely been implemented first. We've seen this happen before, reminds me of the boy sitting in the road that got shot, although that was far worse because I don't even think he had a weapon or was aggressive.

A lot of questions to be asked, but I honestly hate that one. It seems to place blame on the parents/caretakers, even tho I know that's not what you meant at all

 

[ulukinatme]

A lot of questions to be asked, but I honestly hate that one. It seems to place blame on the parents/caretakers, even tho I know that's not what you meant at all

No, most of the blame lies with the police, but I do think the caretakers share some of the blame. The police were given bad information, which doesn't excuse the reaction. However, had the caretakers been there to give better context it could have avoided a tragedy. As the father of a severely autistic boy I have to know where he's at always and have to be sure someone is watching him. That's goes double over the last 3 weeks since he started having seizures, he basically must have an adult with him 24/7. Until we can get him a seizure monitor, my wife has been sleeping in his room to keep an eye on him. Needlessly to say, she hasn't been getting much sleep due to her worry and anxiety. I'm getting sidetracked, but the point is as caretaker you have a responsibility to protect him and be his voice when he can't communicate. It's a tough and taxing position, but if you care for your family you have to do it and there's no days off.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

No, most of the blame lies with the police, but I do think the caretakers share some of the blame. The police were given bad information, which doesn't excuse the reaction. However, had the caretakers been there to give better context it could have avoided a tragedy. As the father of a severely autistic boy I have to know where he's at always and have to be sure someone is watching him. That's goes double over the last 3 weeks since he started having seizures, he basically must have an adult with him 24/7. Until we can get him a seizure monitor, my wife has been sleeping in his room to keep an eye on him. Needlessly to say, she hasn't been getting much sleep due to her worry and anxiety. I'm getting sidetracked, but the point is as caretaker you have a responsibility to protect him and be his voice when he can't communicate. It's a tough and taxing position, but if you care for your family you have to do it and there's no days off.

Exactly, that's why I knew what you meant. And I didn't want to come across as disrespectful towards you and your family.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

However, had the caretakers been there to give better context

1. THEY WERE THERE.
2. The police opened fire within 12 seconds of exiting their vehicles. How much context do you expect the sister to give in 12 seconds?

 

[ChunkyParrot]

Video shows Idaho police shooting knife-wielding teen with autism multiple times, sparking outrage

Victor Perez remained hospitalized in critical condition Tuesday after having nine bullets removed from his body and having his leg amputated, his aunt said.

www.cbsnews.com

Shades of the Charles Kinsey shooting - Wikipedia link.

I certainly appreciate policing is a high stakes, stressful job, but watching that video is brutal. You're going to have a hard time convincing me that shooting was in any way necessary. Family was right there and the only reason the kid could be perceived as a threat to officers was because they got so unnecessarily close to him.

 

[Irish#1]

Shades of the Charles Kinsey shooting - Wikipedia link.

I certainly appreciate policing is a high stakes, stressful job, but watching that video is brutal. You're going to have a hard time convincing me that shooting was in any way necessary. Family was right there and the only reason the kid could be perceived as a threat to officers was because they got so unnecessarily close to him.

I don’t know why they perceived him as a big threat with four of them and the fence between them.