Police State USA

[TorontoGold]

Serious question, how do you know that? Because of all the young white Americans protesting, reading excepts from the NY Times and watching Don Lemon on CNN.

Read this - https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/202...-support-for-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

86% of black people surveyed say they support BLM.

Not sure what your second sentence is attempting to say....

 

[snoopdog]

Read this - https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/202...-support-for-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

86% of black people surveyed say they support BLM.

Not sure what your second sentence is attempting to say....

That 86% INCLUDED the man in the video....you should have watched it, or at least watch it again.

He was against protesting in the streets....not BLM.

 

[Circa]

Read this - https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/202...-support-for-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

86% of black people surveyed say they support BLM.

Not sure what your second sentence is attempting to say....

Gotta love the "all Adults" part. Kinda perpendicular to the facts that we are seeing.

The problem isn't within the vs-vs,.. It's that nobody can argue one way or another without being called a racist.

Is there a word for the loss of our first amendment without due-process?

 

[Irish#1]

Read this - https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/202...-support-for-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

86% of black people surveyed say they support BLM.

Not sure what your second sentence is attempting to say....

On the bolded part. Is this a surprise to anyone? Why would a lower, middle or upper class black not be in favor of BLM? The premise of BLM is to improve the quality of life for blacks. If the quality of life improves for blacks, the quality of life improves for everyone.

The problem isn't within the vs-vs,.. It's that nobody can argue one way or another without being called a racist.

You nailed this one.

 

[OrlaNDomer]

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/08/how-americans-view-the-black-lives-matter-movement/

Article I found interesting breaking down BLM vs ALM preferences.

 

[Legacy]

To the first bolded, that sounds a little racist. Why are you impressed? I'm not. The CoP should be articulate, logical, able to understand the consequences of actions and lead their force.

Being a black CoP doesn't win you any brownie points with the AA community. The current CoP in Indy is black. Check out the abuse he took when he went to meet with a group of protestors protesting the death of Dreasjon Reed. Reed (police record) is the one who was being pulled over but refused and started a high speed chase he streamed live on FB saying he will not go back to prison. Got out and ran, firing shots at police before they killed him. When the Chief got there, protesters started calling him names and threw water bottles at him.

As far as the second, that's revitalization. Happens in every city. Downtown is in disrepair, nothing to do and turns into a ghost town after 5PM and on weekends. If cities don't start pumping money back into the area, the heart of the city starts a slow death. Indy is larger than both Seattle and Portland so I'm not sure what level of chaos I should view those cities given your statement.

You don't mean anything racist with "brownie points", do you? Seriously, I was thinking of CoPs in Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Seattle, etc. I realize "Chiefs" may need to be changed due to racism.

Not revitalization. With growth, Seattle among other cities struggles with affordable housing.
As far as the Central District,
Changes in the Central District Affect the African-American Community
As gentrification pushes African-Americans, should the city step in to protect their interests?

Switching to Portland and civil rights, here is one plaintiff's detailed description - who was a legal observer - which was part of the lawsuit that included journalists that resulted in a temporary restraining order against federal agencies.
https://aclu-or.org/sites/default/f...eclaration_of_doug_brown_iso_mtro1_signed.pdf

Restraining order

 

[TorontoGold]

On the bolded part. Is this a surprise to anyone? Why would a lower, middle or upper class black not be in favor of BLM? The premise of BLM is to improve the quality of life for blacks. If the quality of life improves for blacks, the quality of life improves for everyone.

Yup, and really all people should support it. Looking at OrlaNDomer's post it's crazy to see there's still large amounts of people who don't.

I think the fray's in all of it come from the BLM movement protests that set out to be peaceful in nature, and now seem like there's a sizable amount of groups/people trying co-opt it to use it for cover to destroy cities. Which is so unfortunate, because people like the guy in the video will use it use to bash the BLM movement.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Yup, and really all people should support it. Looking at OrlaNDomer's post it's crazy to see there's still large amounts of people who don't.

I think the fray's in all of it come from the BLM movement protests that set out to be peaceful in nature, and now seem like there's a sizable amount of groups/people trying co-opt it to use it for cover to destroy cities. Which is so unfortunate, because people like the guy in the video will use it use to bash the BLM movement.

Look a bit deeper into the BLM organization. There's a huge difference between the idea that black lives matter, which all normal people agree with, and the Black Lives Matter organization. They use a good idea/slogan to hide their not so good agenda. They're founded by avowed Marxists with a history of association with and adoration of domestic terror groups such as the Weather Underground. They're far from just being an organization trying to eliminate police brutality and improve the lives of black people. I'm all for the idea that black lives matter. I'm 100% opposed to the BLM organization and their agenda.

 

[dad4aa]

Look a bit deeper into the BLM organization. There's a huge difference between the idea that black lives matter, which all normal people agree with, and the Black Lives Matter organization. They use a good idea/slogan to hide their not so good agenda. They're founded by avowed Marxists with a history of association with and adoration of domestic terror groups such as the Weather Underground. They're far from just being an organization trying to eliminate police brutality and improve the lives of black people. I'm all for the idea that black lives matter. I'm 100% opposed to the BLM organization and their agenda.

Exactly. Great explanation.

 

[Irishize]

Look a bit deeper into the BLM organization. There's a huge difference between the idea that black lives matter, which all normal people agree with, and the Black Lives Matter organization. They use a good idea/slogan to hide their not so good agenda. They're founded by avowed Marxists with a history of association with and adoration of domestic terror groups such as the Weather Underground. They're far from just being an organization trying to eliminate police brutality and improve the lives of black people. I'm all for the idea that black lives matter. I'm 100% opposed to the BLM organization and their agenda.

The difference you note between the phrase “Black Lives Matter” and the organization named Black Lives Matter is spot on. Maybe I’ve missed it, but I don’t see many on the Left disavowing the organization and what they profess. On the other hand, I haven’t seen one sentient person disagree w/ the phrase “Black Lives Matter”.. Huge difference.

 

[ulukinatme]

Look a bit deeper into the BLM organization. There's a huge difference between the idea that black lives matter, which all normal people agree with, and the Black Lives Matter organization. They use a good idea/slogan to hide their not so good agenda. They're founded by avowed Marxists with a history of association with and adoration of domestic terror groups such as the Weather Underground. They're far from just being an organization trying to eliminate police brutality and improve the lives of black people. I'm all for the idea that black lives matter. I'm 100% opposed to the BLM organization and their agenda.

Can't rep you again yet, but I agree with dad4aa and Irishize. This hits the nail on the head.

 

[Irish#1]

You don't mean anything racist with "brownie points", do you? Seriously, I was thinking of CoPs in Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Seattle, etc. I realize "Chiefs" may need to be changed due to racism.

Not revitalization. With growth, Seattle among other cities struggles with affordable housing.
As far as the Central District,
Changes in the Central District Affect the African-American Community
As gentrification pushes African-Americans, should the city step in to protect their interests?

Switching to Portland and civil rights, here is one plaintiff's detailed description - who was a legal observer - which was part of the lawsuit that included journalists that resulted in a temporary restraining order against federal agencies.
https://aclu-or.org/sites/default/f...eclaration_of_doug_brown_iso_mtro1_signed.pdf

Restraining order

How in the heck did you ever get associate brownie points with racism? It has nothing to do with racism or blacks. Even in joking your statement speaks volumes about your position. But please explain why you're impressed with the number of Police Chiefs that are articulate?

 

[Irishize]

How in the heck did you ever get associate brownie points with racism? It has nothing to do with racism or blacks. Even in joking your statement speaks volumes about your position. But please explain why you're impressed with the number of Police Chiefs that are articulate?

Brownies > Cake

Don’t @ me

 

[IrishLax]

Look a bit deeper into the BLM organization. There's a huge difference between the idea that black lives matter, which all normal people agree with, and the Black Lives Matter organization. They use a good idea/slogan to hide their not so good agenda. They're founded by avowed Marxists with a history of association with and adoration of domestic terror groups such as the Weather Underground. They're far from just being an organization trying to eliminate police brutality and improve the lives of black people. I'm all for the idea that black lives matter. I'm 100% opposed to the BLM organization and their agenda.

This is very true. They literally support ideas like "disrupting the nuclear family" and other radical positions. Their founder hobnobs with brutal dictators like Nicolas Maduro. Very few people are aware of these facts.

There's a big difference between Black Lives Matter (the social movement) and Black Lives Matter (the Marxist organization with radical ideas) that people are donating to. People are afraid to talk about this, because criticism of the organization will be intentionally twisted and used against them.

 

[Legacy]

How in the heck did you ever get associate brownie points with racism? It has nothing to do with racism or blacks. Even in joking your statement speaks volumes about your position. But please explain why you're impressed with the number of Police Chiefs that are articulate?

I tire of some of the unreasonable attacks and removals of some statues. Browns - Hispanics. Yellow - Asians. Yes, joking. Noise along the channel of racism and, in reference to this thread, incidents of excessive police use of violence.

We have Police Chiefs who came up through the ranks, understand the work their fellow officers do for the community, understand the protection of civil rights, are frustrated by officers under their command violating policy, and have worked towards good relationships with those they serve with community outreach - and who are articulate in that.

 

[Irish#1]

I tire of some of the unreasonable attacks and removals of some statues. Browns - Hispanics. Yellow - Asians. Yes, joking. Noise along the channel of racism and, in reference to this thread, incidents of excessive police use of violence.

We have Police Chiefs who came up through the ranks, understand the work their fellow officers do for the community, understand the protection of civil rights, are frustrated by officers under their command violating policy, and have worked towards good relationships with those they serve with community outreach - and who are articulate in that.

Nice dodge at avoiding my question, but that's my fault as I inadvertently left out "AA" when asking "But please explain why you're impressed with the number of Police Chiefs that are articulate?.

I will ask again, "Why are you impressed with the number of AA Police Chiefs that are articulate?"

 

[Legacy]

Nice dodge at avoiding my question, but that's my fault as I inadvertently left out "AA" when asking "But please explain why you're impressed with the number of Police Chiefs that are articulate?.

I will ask again, "Why are you impressed with the number of AA Police Chiefs that are articulate?"

Not a dodge. I answered with the AA Chiefs in mind. You don't seem to understand my answer or points. If you are unaware of the statements or actions of many of the AA PCs, I suggest that you look them up.

What did you think of the deposition I linked? I'll llink it again.
https://aclu-or.org/sites/default/f...eclaration_of_doug_brown_iso_mtro1_signed.pdf

 

[Circa]

I'll post this video that aired in 2017. As far as I can tell the BLM movement Is not normal. It's an indoctrination. Just wait until you see that Minneapolis, Minnesota was one of the first to try the process in their city.

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[Irish#1]

Not a dodge. I answered with the AA Chiefs in mind. You don't seem to understand my answer or points. If you are unaware of the statements or actions of many of the AA PCs, I suggest that you look them up.

What did you think of the deposition I linked? I'll llink it again.
https://aclu-or.org/sites/default/f...eclaration_of_doug_brown_iso_mtro1_signed.pdf

If you answered with them in mind, then you tapped danced all around without actually answering the question. This isn't about statements or actions by AA Police Chiefs or the link you posted. This is about why you are impressed with the number of AA Police Chiefs that are articulate? Your statement infers that AA's, particularly Police Chiefs are not typically articulate. If that's not true then what is the reason?

 

[Irishize]

I'll post this video that aired in 2017. As far as I can tell the BLM movement Is not normal. It's an indoctrination. Just wait until you see that Minneapolis, Minnesota was one of the first to try the process in their city.

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Moderate & folks on the right understand this but the silence from the Left is deafening. Not saying one has to disavow their support of the organization but don’t pretend it’s got anything to do w/ the spirit of the phrase “Black Lives Matter”. They’re simply pushing their neo-Marxist agenda and using the tragic death of George Floyd as a cudgel.

 

[Irishize]

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[Legacy]

Gov Kate Brown.and (Acting) Homeland Security Security Chad Wolf announced federal troops will leave Portland in a phased withdrawal. Trump has threatened to return to quell any "riot" or "chaos" because "When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total." In selected other situations, Trump previously has defended states rights.

Jimmy Gurule, a University of Notre Dame law professor.said:

“There is no federal statute agents are enforcing by engaging with protesters. My concern is whether their protection of federal property is a ruse to interfere with protesters’ free speech.”

Referring to Portland's mayor and Governor, Trump has said:
"We're not leaving until they've secured their city. If they don't secure their city soon, we have no choice, we're going to have to go in and clean it out."

His authority is total..

 

[Irishize]

So if the rioters & protesters want the Feds to leave them alone, why don’t they just target a local building vs a Federal courthouse? Seems that would’ve solved the whole problem early on and they could focus their efforts on destroying a private business or other non-Federal building.

 

[ACamp1900]

Free speech =/= destroying property....

 

[Circa]

Look a bit deeper into the BLM organization. There's a huge difference between the idea that black lives matter, which all normal people agree with, and the Black Lives Matter organization. They use a good idea/slogan to hide their not so good agenda. They're founded by avowed Marxists with a history of association with and adoration of domestic terror groups such as the Weather Underground. They're far from just being an organization trying to eliminate police brutality and improve the lives of black people. I'm all for the idea that black lives matter. I'm 100% opposed to the BLM organization and their agenda.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That video I posted obviously gave you something to think on, and you gave it a great summary. Maybe YouTube Isn't all that bad for the Ideas that exist in this ironically simple world today.

Edit: You posted this before I posted that video. Your awesome dude.

 

[Circa]

Moderate & folks on the right understand this but the silence from the Left is deafening. Not saying one has to disavow their support of the organization but don’t pretend it’s got anything to do w/ the spirit of the phrase “Black Lives Matter”. They’re simply pushing their neo-Marxist agenda and using the tragic death of George Floyd as a cudgel.

I can agree. In 20 years the kids that have grown up through these days will be more aware and hopefully in office.

 

[Irish#1]

I can agree. In 20 years the kids that have grown up through these days will be more aware and hopefully in office.

Then what happened to us old farts that were protesting in the 60’s?

 

[Circa]

Then what happened to us old farts that were protesting in the 60’s?

Phil Collins. LOL.... JK. No Clue. Hard to understand everyone's empathy/.

 

[irishff1014]

I can agree. In 20 years the kids that have grown up through these days will be more aware and hopefully in office.

The same kids that a large percentage of will be behind in school for the rest of their lives? Good luck with that. Look at the high teen and 20 year olds now. This country is fucked.

 

[Circa]

The same kids that a large percentage of will be behind in school for the rest of their lives? Good luck with that. Look at the high teen and 20 year olds now. This country is fucked.

School? As In the predetermined place that starts the indoctrination of our children at age 5? I want to think that If kids stay home, the ones that are intelligent and determined will succeed regardless of the principals set at the grade school/high school level.
Remember no one left behind? Well that should have been leave your morals at the door....
Let's not tiptoe around the fact that our kids have been raised through the system.
I don't know the percentage but there are alot of schools and teachers in those schools that indoctrinate our children with things our kids can't understand completely until it's too late for us to step in....
It Is a fact that some colleges have already been indoctrinating their students with neo-marxist ideas for a very long time and the trickle down Is showing It's face.

The answer to that statement/question Is the answer to this days problem.