Police State USA

[Polish Leppy 22]

If I had a couple spare million, I think I'd fund some retired cops to set up tent camps outside Pelosi's hood, as well as the whack job out in Seattle. Maybe Schumer and Nadler's pads too.

Maybe we could get Nancy to share some ice cream.

That might be too tame though. Maybe paying homeless would be better. Buy them all nice new tents and send them take out ever day for as long as they want to stay. And free needles to everyone!

If you have a couple spare thousand laying around, let's get some RVs and go high class on this protest. Chant with me now...

"This is what an RV looks like, this is what an RV looks like!"

"What do we want?!"

"Nancy's ice cream!"

"When do we want it?!"

"Every day!"

"No ice cream, no peace!"

"Rocky road matters!"

Guys, please, tell me when to stop.

 

[NDRock]

My city has a Confederate monument (dedicated to all those who fought, not an individual). There has been protests going on there. Most current idea from a Councilman is to move a Union monument from a cemetery and put it next to the Confederate one. Not sure what will happen.

It's funny, most people from here seem to identify more with the Southern side even though this part of Tennessee voted against secession by a 3-1 margin. Even heard a couple of guys get disappointed when they did some research and found their relatives fought for the North.

 

[Irish#1]

My city has a Confederate monument (dedicated to all those who fought, not an individual). There has been protests going on there. Most current idea from a Councilman is to move a Union monument from a cemetery and put it next to the Confederate one. Not sure what will happen.

It's funny, most people from here seem to identify more with the Southern side even though this part of Tennessee voted against secession by a 3-1 margin. Even heard a couple of guys get disappointed when they did some research and found their relatives fought for the North.

That's a brilliant idea and one that should be used all over. Indy had a monument in a park to honor the confederate soldiers who died while in the prison camp located here. They recently took it away.

 

[ACamp1900]

Boston city council voted to take down the statue of Abraham Lincoln. That, my friends, is next level stupid.

Demoralization by way of second round knock out.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Boston city council voted to take down the statue of Abraham Lincoln. That, my friends, is next level stupid.

Speaking of Lincoln:

I was at Connor Prairie yesterday. They have a bridge leading into the Civil War area, that has signs hanging down. Every sign was completely intact, but the two of Lincoln had slash marks on them. Originally thought it was to prevent wind, but those were literally the only two with slashes:

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[Irishize]

God in Heaven: “Those idiots are tearing your statue down”

Lincoln in Heaven: “Fuck ‘em”

God: “Yeah...fuck ‘em”

 

[Irish YJ]

Who was the town of Columbus, Ohio named after?

Damn, you can’t make this shit up.

Flavortown lol...

The level of stupid is off the charts.

I can see MSM reporting........"We're here at Nancy Pelosi's home where a new group of protestors who call themselves Irish Envy or IE are camped on her front lawn. At this time we're not sure who or what they represent, but they keep discussing real grass vs. turf and something that is mustard yellow."

This just in. Members of the IOZ (Irish Occupied Zone) seem to be wrestling in the front yard. One member is screaming something about the "Frozen 5". Nancy has spoken to CNN and said that while she is not 100% clear on what flavor is being demanded, she will indeed provide 5 Jeni's Splendid pints of Ice Cream, or 5 Dove Bars.

Boston city council voted to take down the statue of Abraham Lincoln. That, my friends, is next level stupid.

Didn't the left tell everyone that Trump was crazy when he said much earlier that they'd be coming for Lincoln and Washington next?

If you have a couple spare thousand laying around, let's get some RVs and go high class on this protest. Chant with me now...

"This is what an RV looks like, this is what an RV looks like!"

"What do we want?!"

"Nancy's ice cream!"

"When do we want it?!"

"Every day!"

"No ice cream, no peace!"

"Rocky road matters!"

Guys, please, tell me when to stop.

Dibs on the Jeni's Dark Chocolate.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Flavortown lol...

The level of stupid is off the charts.



This just in. Members of the IOZ (Irish Occupied Zone) seem to be wrestling in the front yard. One member is screaming something about the "Frozen 5". Nancy has spoken to CNN and said that while she is not 100% clear on what flavor is being demanded, she will indeed provide 5 Jeni's Splendid pints of Ice Cream, or 5 Dove Bars.



Didn't the left tell everyone that Trump was crazy when he said much earlier that they'd be coming for Lincoln and Washington next?



Dibs on the Jeni's Dark Chocolate.

Racist

 

[Bishop2b5]

Speaking of Lincoln:

I was at Connor Prairie yesterday. They have a bridge leading into the Civil War area, that has signs hanging down. Every sign was completely intact, but the two of Lincoln had slash marks on them. Originally thought it was to prevent wind, but those were literally the only two with slashes:

I'm still trying to understand why Abe, of all people, is being targeted.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm still trying to understand why Abe, of all people, is being targeted.

My guess is because racism or whatever isn’t really at the heart of much of this... it’s just a cover for those who want to burn the whole bitch down.

 

[Irish YJ]

My guess is because racism or whatever isn’t really at the heart of much of this... it’s just a cover for those who want to burn the whole bitch down.

Yup. And he's an old white guy. The calls to remove all white Jesus statues is especially entertaining.

 

[Henges24]

Eli Whitney statues are next. Old white guy and the cotton gin was racist.

Alexander Graham Bell - corded phones are outdated and another old white guy - so obviously a racist.

Albert Einstein - his uncle was a Nazi - so white supremacist.

 

[Bishop2b5]

My guess is because racism or whatever isn’t really at the heart of much of this... it’s just a cover for those who want to burn the whole bitch down.

I believe you're right.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I'm still trying to understand why Abe, of all people, is being targeted.

Not sure what the specifics are in Boston, but I do know people hold the mass execution of Dakota Native Americans in Minn. against him.

 

[Irish YJ]

Good on someone in Milwaukee


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Defund the Police" in front of Milwaukee City Hall has been altered by someone to say "Defend the Police." <a href="https://t.co/3WloAcfDgz">pic.twitter.com/3WloAcfDgz</a></p>— Melanie (@mefbama) <a href="https://twitter.com/mefbama/status/1279241070099017730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Legacy]

Phoenix Police Department

Phoenix Police Department

Arizonans are well aware of the numerous episodes of fatal police shootings and in-custody deaths in Arizona. Many are detailed in the article below:

In August 2014, Phoenix Sgt. Percy Dupra shot and killed 50-year-old Michelle Cusseaux, who suffered from bipolar disorder, schizophrenia and depression. Police had arrived at her house to take her to a mental health facility. Cusseaux answered the door with a hammer above her head. Dupra was demoted, but not criminally charged.

In January 2016, Mesa police Officer Philip Brailsford shot and killed Daniel Shaver, a man who was on his hands and knees begging for his life. Shaver was not armed. Brailsford was fired and charged with second-degree murder, but a jury acquitted him.

In July 2016, Tempe police Officer Edward Ouimette shot 19-year-old Dalvin Hollins in the back, killing him. Hollins had run away from police after a drugstore robbery where witnesses said the robber simulated a weapon. But he was not armed. Ouimette, who did not turn on his body camera until after the shooting, was not criminally charged.

In January 2017, Muhammad Abdul Muhaymin Jr, cried, "I can't breathe," as four Phoenix police officers had their knees on his back, neck and head. He died while they held him down. The interaction started because he wanted to bring his service dog into a public restroom. He was not armed. None of the officers were criminally charged.

In January 2019, for Tempe officer Joseph Jaen shot and killed 14-year-old Antonio Arce, who was running away. He was holding a toy airsoft gun. Jaen resigned from the department. He was not criminally charged.

In May 2019, Phoenix police Officer Christopher Meyer pointed a gun at Dravon Ames in front of Ames' then-pregnant fiancee and children, one of whom was suspected of shoplifting a doll. Meyer was fired, but has not been criminally charged.

Police officers are rarely prosecuted or convicted in Arizona. Here are some of the hurdles (AZCentral)

An Arizona Republic analysis showed that in 600 police shootings statewide from 2011 to 2018, officers were cleared of criminal wrongdoing 94.5% of the time. The rest are pending, or The Republic could not confirm an outcome.

Since 2017, 35 people have died in the custody of a police department in Maricopa County. In 28 of the cases, officers were cleared of wrongdoing. Seven are pending a review or decision, according to the Maricopa County Attorney's Office.

Protests, marches, investigations and sometimes lawsuits followed many of these high-profile encounters. A few were disciplined; even fewer were fired.

In the hundreds of police shootings and in-custody deaths since 2002, The Maricopa County Attorney's Office has charged three officers. One of those was convicted.

Often, public officials promise significant changes. And there has been some: more body cameras, more training and more transparency.

But the underlying system that protects law enforcement officers from being held criminally responsible for their actions remains the same.

When Police Chief Jeri Williams made the exceptional decision to fire two officers including Christopher Meyer, the Phoenix police union - Phoenix Law Enforcement Association (PLEA) - met to determine a no-confidence vote in her leadership. They also implied that she was being directed to take those actions by the Mayor.
Phoenix Police Union May Try to Oust Chief Williams Over Firings (The details of Meyer's and Swick's encounters that triggered their firings are included.)

Swick is one of 75 Phoenix officers whose over 200 social media posts were judged as racist and violent.

Chief Williams said:

"The posts were comments that clearly promote hate. It doesn't promote the mission of the police department, it is anti-sexist, anti-racist and anti-religious."

"That's not who we are. We just completed implicit bias training. The City of Phoenix Police Department is not a place of hate, we're just committed to getting to the truth."

Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego said in a statement that she was "embarrassed and disappointed" to read the comments made by Phoenix officers.

"There is no context in which these statements are acceptable. This city has absolutely no place for hate. Our Police Chief is actively pursuing a thorough investigation. While these officers are in no way representative of our city’s entire police force, or for that matter, our city, the choice by these officers to promote hate speech is a black cloud over all of us."

PLEA defended Swick and others on the basis of freedom of speech, saying that at most Swick should have merely gotten a reprimand. PLEA has also objected to the banning of choke holds that killed Muhaymin and Floyd.

In addition to the instances in quotes, first article above details another:

In 2010, former Phoenix police Officer Richard Chrisman killed 29-year-old Danny Frank Rodriguez. Chrisman's partner, Officer Sergio Virgillo, who was at the scene and told detectives Rodriguez didn't pose a threat, was heavily criticized by the union for his statements.

During Chrisman's trial, Virgillo told jurors he successfully de-escalated the situation and was encouraging Rodriguez to leave on his bicycle when Chrisman shot Rodriguez twice in the chest. Chrisman also shot and killed the man's dog.

A jury convicted Chrisman of aggravated assault for holding a gun to Rodriguez's head but failed to reach a verdict on a second-degree murder charge. Chrisman later pleaded guilty to manslaughter to avoid a second trial. He was sentenced to seven years in prison.

In February, the Phoenix City Council approved civilian oversight of the Phoenix police that combines a new city agency and a community review board that will have the power to investigate complaints against police, recommend policy changes directly to the police chief and set up community outreach. PLEA has opposed this oversight with investigative powers including to subpoena witnesses and to terminate officers.

Mayor Gallego, Chief Williams and the City Council are working to rid the Phoenix community of those cops who have violated the use of deadly force and others who post racist and hate filled messages on social media. But the Police Union stands in opposition to all their attempts to reform the Department whether in oversight and accountability for use of deadly force, citizen involvement in review, banning choke holds and prosecution of any police officers.

Phoenix police routinely 'purge' officer discipline records, keep misconduct secret (AZ Central)

Phoenix Mayor Apologizes After Police Draw Guns on Family Over Report of Stolen Doll (NY Times)

 

[Irish YJ]

Arizonans are well aware of the numerous episodes of fatal police shootings and in-custody deaths in Arizona. Many are detailed in the article below:



Police officers are rarely prosecuted or convicted in Arizona. Here are some of the hurdles (AZCentral)



When Police Chief Jeri Williams made the exceptional decision to fire two officers including Christopher Meyer, the Phoenix police union - Phoenix Law Enforcement Association (PLEA) - met to determine a no-confidence vote in her leadership. They also implied that she was being directed to take those actions by the Mayor.
Phoenix Police Union May Try to Oust Chief Williams Over Firings (The details of Meyer's and Swick's encounters that triggered their firings are included.)

Swick is one of 75 Phoenix officers whose over 200 social media posts were judged as racist and violent.

Chief Williams said:


Phoenix Mayor Kate Gallego said in a statement that she was "embarrassed and disappointed" to read the comments made by Phoenix officers.



PLEA defended Swick and others on the basis of freedom of speech, saying that at most Swick should have merely gotten a reprimand. PLEA has also objected to the banning of choke holds that killed Muhaymin and Floyd.

In addition to the instances in quotes, first article above details another:


In February, the Phoenix City Council approved civilian oversight of the Phoenix police that combines a new city agency and a community review board that will have the power to investigate complaints against police, recommend policy changes directly to the police chief and set up community outreach. PLEA has opposed this oversight with investigative powers including to subpoena witnesses and to terminate officers.

Mayor Gallego, Chief Williams and the City Council are working to rid the Phoenix community of those cops who have violated the use of deadly force and others who post racist and hate filled messages on social media. But the Police Union stands in opposition to all their attempts to reform the Department whether in oversight and accountability for use of deadly force, citizen involvement in review, banning choke holds and prosecution of any police officers.

Phoenix police routinely 'purge' officer discipline records, keep misconduct secret (AZ Central)

Phoenix Mayor Apologizes After Police Draw Guns on Family Over Report of Stolen Doll (NY Times)

Almost two decades of Dem Mayors. What have they been doing for the last 16 years?

 

[Legacy]

The Phoenix Police Union (PLEA) historically resists all forms of oversight, accountability for its officers' actions, and reforms that would change the current status quo. That brings them in direct conflict with Phoenix's Police Chiefs and Mayors and has even put them on the wrong side of state Republican leaders calling for reform. They've had psych evals on hiring, some methods of oversight that have failed to change the "bad apples" behavior whether excessive use of force or racism in spite of anti-bias training. Now the state's Republican leadership, which has dominated state politics, is calling for reform of the Phoenix police.

Arizona attorney general calls for police reform
(Fox10 from AP, June 4)

Arizona’s Republican attorney general on Thursday called for a series of police reforms he said are needed in the wake of the death of George Floyd.

Mark Brnovich sent a letter to Republican Gov. Doug Ducey and GOP House and Senate leaders saying he reacted to the video of Floyd’s death at the hands of police “with shock and outrage.”

“As Arizona’s top law enforcement official, I hope Mr. Floyd’s death will not be in vain but will serve as a catalyst for positive reforms,” Brnovich wrote.

Hundreds of people in Phoenix have been arrested during protests denouncing Floyd’s death in Minneapolis last week, and other cases of police brutality.

Brnovich said all police officers in the state should receive regular deescalation and cultural diversity training so they can avoid or defuse situations. Agents in his office have been provided that training for several years but the state Peace Officer Standards and Training Board doesn’t mandate the training. That should be a requirement, he wrote. (cont)

In reaction to the incident involving Dravon Ames and his family who were called because one of their little girls may have taken a doll from a store leading to the police drawing their guns on the unarmed family and threatening to "cap" the father, one of the lead attorneys for the family is former state Republican Attorney General, Tom Horne. Horne was defeated in the Rep primary by Brnovich. The Ames family is suing Phoenix for $10 million.

Phoenix police ended 2018 with its record number of 44 officer involved shootings, leading the nation. Comparatively, in New York City, which has a population of about 7 million more people than Phoenix, police only fired at people 23 times that year. After reforms instituted by the Chief, in 2019 that was brought down to 15 in 2019.

Democrats also want all police officers to wear body cameras, the creation of a statewide database of police officer disciplinary records so “bad apple” officers can’t jump from agency to agency, and removal of lawsuit immunity for officers found to have acted unlawfully. Democrats have also called on the US DOJ to investigate the PD for civil rights violations.

Republican AG Brnovich also wants all police shootings or excessive use of force allegations to be investigated by an outside agency as California and New York currently do.

A Timeline of the Phoenix Police Department's Worst Misconduct Scandals (Phoenix New Times, June 10, 2019)

The Arizona Republic found that over five years, hundreds of officers have been permitted to wipe out more than 600 acts of wrongdoing. The PD has been criticized for allowing officers to purge disciplinary measures from their records.

One would expect the Phoenix PD Union to oppose these bipartisan measures at city and state levels. Federal action from the Trump DOJ is only an outside hope. Perhaps the "good apples" in the PD would work with Dem and Rep leaderships to effect reasonable and effective changes that would rid the Department of those who commit these acts and post racist comments on social media.

 

[Irish YJ]

The Phoenix Police Union (PLEA) historically resists all forms of oversight, accountability for its officers' actions, and reforms that would change the current status quo. That brings them in direct conflict with Phoenix's Police Chiefs and Mayors and has even put them on the wrong side of state Republican leaders calling for reform. They've had psych evals on hiring, some methods of oversight that have failed to change the "bad apples" behavior whether excessive use of force or racism in spite of anti-bias training. Now the state's Republican leadership, which has dominated state politics, is calling for reform of the Phoenix police.

Arizona attorney general calls for police reform
(Fox10 from AP, June 4)

In reaction to the incident involving Dravon Ames and his family who were called because one of their little girls may have taken a doll from a store leading to the police drawing their guns on the unarmed family and threatening to "cap" the father, one of the lead attorneys for the family is former state Republican Attorney General, Tom Horne. Horne was defeated in the Rep primary by Brnovich. The Ames family is suing Phoenix for $10 million.

Phoenix police ended 2018 with its record number of 44 officer involved shootings, leading the nation. Comparatively, in New York City, which has a population of about 7 million more people than Phoenix, police only fired at people 23 times that year. After reforms instituted by the Chief, in 2019 that was brought down to 15 in 2019.

Democrats also want all police officers to wear body cameras, the creation of a statewide database of police officer disciplinary records so “bad apple” officers can’t jump from agency to agency, and removal of lawsuit immunity for officers found to have acted unlawfully. Democrats have also called on the US DOJ to investigate the PD for civil rights violations.

Republican AG Brnovich also wants all police shootings or excessive use of force allegations to be investigated by an outside agency as California and New York currently do.

A Timeline of the Phoenix Police Department's Worst Misconduct Scandals (Phoenix New Times, June 10, 2019)

The Arizona Republic found that over five years, hundreds of officers have been permitted to wipe out more than 600 acts of wrongdoing. The PD has been criticized for allowing officers to purge disciplinary measures from their records.

One would expect the Phoenix PD Union to oppose these bipartisan measures at city and state levels. Federal action from the Trump DOJ is only an outside hope. Perhaps the "good apples" in the PD would work with Dem and Rep leaderships to effect reasonable and effective changes that would rid the Department of those who commit these acts and post racist comments on social media.

Holy cow, it's not all about the big bad unions lol. Did you know that the city council in Phoenix in the last week or so passed the PD budget and rejected demands to defund? Unions do what all unions do. Unions make it as hard as possible for bad apples to be fired. Same things happen in every union, not just police. But the left supports it every other place.

Hell, the LA city council is deep in the pockets of the LA Police Union. And every police force across the US has to renew contracts every couple years. Why hasn't more been done in the the last 16 years in Phoenix? Why is it impossible for you to put the onus on the Dem leadership where it belongs. 16 years of leadership, likely 5+ PD contracts to bargain over and change things.

 

[Legacy]

Phoenix police shot and killed a man in a parked car, sparking renewed protests(CNN, July 6, 2020)

Excerpts:

Phoenix police officers shot and killed a man inside a parked car July 4 in an incident captured on bystander video, sparking renewed protests in the Arizona city.

The video shows police threatening to shoot the man before firing a barrage of bullets into the vehicle. Police said the man was armed with a handgun, but his sister disputes that.
The Phoenix Police Department released video from a body-worn camera Monday afternoon from an officer who arrived on scene after the shooting. The video showed the officer wearing the camera reach into the car where the man was sitting and pull out a gun.
The Maricopa County medical examiner's office has not released the man's autopsy results and has not released information about the manner of his death.

In a Facebook post, City Council member Carlos Garcia identified the man who was killed as James "Jay" Garcia. (The two do not appear to be related.) According to public records, James Garcia was 28.

Carlos Garcia criticized the police's use of force in the incident and cast doubt on their description of events.

"It does not shock us that despite all the scrutiny from community Phoenix PD continues to respond violently to calls. But, we must all continue to ask for transparency and accountability," he wrote on Facebook.

"The department also issued a premature statement leaving out facts about the case. We cannot allow for dishonest narratives to be built by violent departments. We will continue to call for independent investigations into officer involved shootings."

The Phoenix Police Department said it is not releasing body-worn videos from the officers directly involved in the shooting until after all witness and officer interviews are completed, so as not to compromise its investigation.

Releasing the body cam videos is the best way to exonerate the officers' actions and alleviate community distrust of the Phoenix police.

Tucson Police Chief Offers To Resign Over Man's Death In Officers' Custody
(NPR, June 25, 2020)

Tucson Police Chief Chris Magnus is offering to resign over the death of Carlos Ingram-Lopez – a man who died after being restrained by Tucson officers in April. Ingram-Lopez was handcuffed and kept face-down in a garage for some 12 minutes.

While the man was being restrained, police body cam video shows, he often cried out — repeatedly asking for water, and at times for his grandmother. At one point, he is heard saying he can't breathe (cont) .

"We have determined that three involved officers committed multiple policy violations and failed to handle the incident consistent with their training," the police chief said. "It is, however, important to note there is no indication of malicious intent, nor did any of the officers deploy strikes, use chokeholds, or place a knee on Mr. Ingram-Lopez's neck."

Ingram-Lopez was Hispanic. The three primary officers who responded to the scene were both Black and white. All three of them resigned last week, as the department investigated the in-custody death.

If the officers had not resigned, Magnus said, they would have been fired, saying their actions fell short of department standards.

The Tucson police have released the body cam video from one of the officers. https://tucson.com/news/local/watch...deo_1553fe89-235f-5dbc-93f8-96a37203b387.html

This in custody death is a different one than the one I previously cited of Muhammad Abdul Muhaymin Jr. in 2017 by the Phoenix PD. https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...n-jr-resembles-george-floyd-death/3145190001/

At least four officers got on top of him and held him down. Some put their knees on his neck and head.

"I can't breathe," Muhaymin is heard saying several times in police body camera footage. When officers eventually got off him, Muhaymin had no pulse, according to comments from officers in the video, and lay in a pool of his own vomit.

 

[Legacy]

Mesa Police Department Officers incidents

Mesa Police Department Officers incidents

Mesa police officer charged with aggravated assault after shooting unarmed man has been fired (Arizona Republic, June 29, 2020)

A Mesa police officer who was charged with aggravated assault last week after shooting an unarmed man in December has been fired from the department.

The Mesa Police Department issued a written statement Monday evening announcing that Officer Nathan Chisler was fired from the department on Thursday — one day after Chisler completed his pre-deprivation hearing where the department recommended that he be terminated.

"After a comprehensive review of the December 2019 officer involved shooting and the professional standards investigation into the conduct of Officer Chisler, Chief Cost has decided to terminate Chisler’s employment with the Mesa Police Department," the statement says. (cont)

Chisler is the first Mesa PD officer charged since Nathan Brailsford.
Witness: Man shot by Mesa police officer had cried for his life (The Republic | azcentral.com, Nov 2, 2017)

Ex-Mesa Officer Philip Brailsford found not guilty of murder in shooting of unarmed man(The Republic | azcentral.com, Dec 7, 2017)

 

[Irish#1]

Legacy can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

SO IN OTHER NEWS

6 MORE SHOT IN MINNEAPOLIS LAST NIGHT 1 DEAD, 1 SHOT WAS 12 YEARS OLD.

I guess defunding the PO-PO is the answer

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Ramsey County MN Board researching the ability to change the Position of SHERIFF from Elected to Appointed because they are not happy with the "ELECTED" person in office.

It is happening folks. It is happening. ORWELL was right

 

[FDNYIrish1]

SO IN OTHER NEWS

6 MORE SHOT IN MINNEAPOLIS LAST NIGHT 1 DEAD, 1 SHOT WAS 12 YEARS OLD.

I guess defunding the PO-PO is the answer

Shocker. Its going to get much worse in the cities. But it doesn’t fit the police brutality narrative so nothing will be done but talk. Here in NYC they announced publicly that they were disbanding plain clothes anti crime units. And shootings are way up to no ones surprise. Keep electing incompetents.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Shocker. Its going to get much worse in the cities. But it doesn’t fit the police brutality narrative so nothing will be done but talk. Here in NYC they announced publicly that they were disbanding plain clothes anti crime units. And shootings are way up to no ones surprise. Keep electing incompetents.

Check out my last post again, I had to make an edit as a story was on the news after I posted. NO kidding, RAMSEY COUNTY (St Paul MN) board is looking into options to change the position of Sheriff from Elected to Appointed because they can't control the current Sheriff. A guy I worked for and a guy who is a great man.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

"Earlier Tuesday, community activists who live in neighborhoods affected by the violence pleaded for a reformed police department to help them solve the problems in the community.

“We need law enforcement to help us solve the problem or it would be more deaths coming to the community,” activist Al Flowers said."

Now they NEED LAW ENFORCEMENT. Gotcha bud.

 

[Legacy]

Holy cow, it's not all about the big bad unions lol. Did you know that the city council in Phoenix in the last week or so passed the PD budget and rejected demands to defund? Unions do what all unions do. Unions make it as hard as possible for bad apples to be fired. Same things happen in every union, not just police. But the left supports it every other place.

Hell, the LA city council is deep in the pockets of the LA Police Union. And every police force across the US has to renew contracts every couple years. Why hasn't more been done in the the last 16 years in Phoenix? Why is it impossible for you to put the onus on the Dem leadership where it belongs. 16 years of leadership, likely 5+ PD contracts to bargain over and change things.

Yes, I saw that. I see that one of my points - on unions - is clear enough whether Phoenix, NYC, Chicago or any of the other PDs I've posted about. You seem to see only Dem-Rep, left-right.

Now, in those cities, which vary in their oversight and accountability processes - or those recentky passed as Phoenix's - do you have any opinion or thoughts on the best way those should be constructed witth the purpose of separating those officers who abuse their authority from the others who protect us?

Do you have any opinion on Christie working with the Camden city fathers (sorry, I don't know their politics) to effectively "defund" their police? Or on the NYC mayors who were Reps with union support? Or whether Trump's support of PDs and their unions similarly puts him in the same category you place Dem mayors and city council?

I've made it very plain that both parties' mayors in NYC were elected with police union support and that the egregious behavior and racism of some. How would you improve NYC's oversight? Are in support of Phoenix's and the state of Arizona's by Rep AGs? Would you bust their unions as others have done whether businesses or generally Republicans advocate?

Logically, you appear to be an advocate for Rep control of metropolitan areas to break up unions because Dem leadership has led to protecting the Police unions - "in their pockets"? With Rep leadership in the state of Arizona effectively concluding that similar to Dem leadership of the City Council and mayor of Phoenix on the same page, do you have any opinion on whether both are trying to solve the same problems? Pick a city with Rep leadership to demonstrate their successes in oversight and accountability.

Bullet point or list your answers to each of these. Any comment on the racism in the Elkhart or SB police departments - or others?

Take the opportunity to escape politics and engage on the issues the protests and city managements concerns are about across America.

 

[drayer54]

"Earlier Tuesday, community activists who live in neighborhoods affected by the violence pleaded for a reformed police department to help them solve the problems in the community.

“We need law enforcement to help us solve the problem or it would be more deaths coming to the community,” activist Al Flowers said."

Now they NEED LAW ENFORCEMENT. Gotcha bud.

They always needed law enforcement. No law enforcement gave them death and destruction.

Some people are slow to learn. Some Democrats are still struggling with this concept.

 

[ACamp1900]

They always needed law enforcement. No law enforcement gave them death and destruction.

Some people are slow to learn. Some Democrats are still struggling with this concept.

I think this turns a lot of people off to different stances. Take Hollywood as a glaring example, they go around and preach open borders, protecting the environment, defunding the police, income inequality etc... while globe trotting on private jets, living in million dollar gated communities with private security forces, while making obscene amounts of money... the hypocrisy gets tired after a while and then any logical stances/messages get thrown out with the bath water.

 

[Irish#1]

Bullet point or list your answers to each of these. Any comment on the racism in the Elkhart or SB police departments - or others?

Oh the irony.