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Minneapolis City Council defunding the PD, but hires a private security force to protect them on the tax payer dime.

You just can't make this shit up.

Sad and confusing times for sure.

Do you think that municipalities might be going to contract security as a way to indemnify themselves from liabilities? If that is a big driver, it seems very myopic on their part.

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Sad and confusing times for sure.

Do you think that municipalities might be going to contract security as a way to indemnify themselves from liabilities? If that is a big driver, it seems very myopic on their part.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

Agree. With the doxxing going on by far-right extremists and antifa and groups posting addresses of police, one PD has allowed police to cover the names on their badges. Both groups exercising 1st and 2nd Amendment rights means those must be respected by police who have to de-escalate and keep them separate. The six protesters in St. Louis who died afterwards are - as noted - on edge due to those who were part of the Ferguson protests.

HOW RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS STALK, DOX, AND HARASS THEIR ENEMIES
(Intercept, Sept 2017)
 

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Sad and confusing times for sure.

Do you think that municipalities might be going to contract security as a way to indemnify themselves from liabilities? If that is a big driver, it seems very myopic on their part.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

They have to be smart enough to know that won't keep them protected. One could argue that since they are taking responsibility for public safety, they are accepting liability, not just the city.

I think the biggest reason is they want to be able to fire a policeman without having to deal with the union. Do I want to be a private policeman where my exposure to retribution and my liability is much greater?

What happens when a firm wins the contract and decides not to purchase or lease those thousand of police cars a city has? Lots of questions like that will need to be addressed. I smell up big ol FUBAR coming up for Minneapolis.
 

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St Louis protestors upset their names were made known. ACLU calls it intimidation. lol


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/st-louis-mayor-police-reform/index.html

I wonder what the ACLU said when all the cop's info got published. We see constant "outing" of people and businesses by the left all the time.

In terms of intimidation, wonder how they view protesters screaming at and harassing politicians at restaurants, etc..

Sad and confusing times for sure.

Do you think that municipalities might be going to contract security as a way to indemnify themselves from liabilities? If that is a big driver, it seems very myopic on their part.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

This is just personal security for council members. Doubt really it has anything to do with indemnifying themselves. IMO, they simply want police like protection while trashing and defunding the police. Pretty disgusting hypocrisy. No protection for the people that pay the taxes, but they'll use tax money for personal protection.
 

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I wonder what the ACLU said when all the cop's info got published. We see constant "outing" of people and businesses by the left all the time.

In terms of intimidation, wonder how they view protesters screaming at and harassing politicians at restaurants, etc..



This is just personal security for council members. Doubt really it has anything to do with indemnifying themselves. IMO, they simply want police like protection while trashing and defunding the police. Pretty disgusting hypocrisy. No protection for the people that pay the taxes, but they'll use tax money for personal protection.

The ACLU has become nothing more than a liberal wasteland supporting whatever the DNC and radical left mouthpieces want. They were just tweeting with the dems about making DC a state.

The special interests that have fallen on partisan lines have all lost their way, including the ACLU.
 

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The ACLU has become nothing more than a liberal wasteland supporting whatever the DNC and radical left mouthpieces want. They were just tweeting with the dems about making DC a state.

The special interests that have fallen on partisan lines have all lost their way, including the ACLU.

What is the argument against making DC a state? (asking because I don't know enough either way about the issue)
 

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Good Read. Comey discusses his hard truths and race and law enforcement.

Hard Truths: Law Enforcement and Race James Comey, Feb 12, 2015 (FBI.gov)

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So many young men of color become part of that officer’s life experience because so many minority families and communities are struggling, so many boys and young men grow up in environments lacking role models, adequate education, and decent employment—they lack all sorts of opportunities that most of us take for granted. A tragedy of American life—one that most citizens are able to drive around because it doesn’t touch them—is that young people in “those neighborhoods” too often inherit a legacy of crime and prison. And with that inheritance, they become part of a police officer’s life, and shape the way that officer—whether white or black—sees the world. Changing that legacy is a challenge so enormous and so complicated that it is, unfortunately, easier to talk only about the cops. And that’s not fair.

Let me be transparent about my affection for cops. When you dial 911, whether you are white or black, the cops come, and they come quickly, and they come quickly whether they are white or black. That’s what cops do, in addition to all of the other hard and difficult and dangerous and frightening things that they do. They respond to homes in the middle of the night where a drunken father, wielding a gun, is threatening his wife and children. They pound up the back stairs of an apartment building, not knowing whether the guys behind the door they are about to enter are armed, or high, or both.

I come from a law enforcement family. My grandfather, William J. Comey, was a police officer. Pop Comey is one of my heroes. I have a picture of him on my wall in my office at the FBI, reminding me of the legacy I’ve inherited and that I must honor.

He was the child of immigrants. When he was in the sixth grade, his father was killed in an industrial accident in New York. Because he was the oldest, he had to drop out of school so that he could go to work to support his mom and younger siblings. He could never afford to return to school, but when he was old enough, he joined the Yonkers, New York, Police Department.

Over the next 40 years, he rose to lead that department. Pop was the tall, strong, silent type, quiet and dignified, and passionate about the rule of law. Back during Prohibition, he heard that bootleggers were running beer through fire hoses between Yonkers and the Bronx.

Now, Pop enjoyed a good beer every now and again, but he ordered his men to cut those hoses with fire axes. Pop had to have a protective detail, because certain people were angry and shocked that someone in law enforcement would do that. But that’s what we want as citizens—that’s what we expect. And so I keep that picture of Pop on my office wall to remind me of his integrity, and his pride in the integrity of his work.

Law enforcement ranks are filled with people like my grandfather. But, to be clear, although I am from a law enforcement family, and have spent much of my career in law enforcement, I’m not looking to let law enforcement off the hook. Those of us in law enforcement must redouble our efforts to resist bias and prejudice. We must better understand the people we serve and protect—by trying to know, deep in our gut, what it feels like to be a law-abiding young black man walking on the street and encountering law enforcement. We must understand how that young man may see us. We must resist the lazy shortcuts of cynicism and approach him with respect and decency.

We must work—in the words of New York City Police Commissioner Bill Bratton—to really see each other. Perhaps the reason we struggle as a nation is because we’ve come to see only what we represent, at face value, instead of who we are. We simply must see the people we serve.

But the “seeing” needs to flow in both directions. Citizens also need to really see the men and women of law enforceme
 
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Good article.

But the “seeing” needs to flow in both directions. Citizens also need to really see the men and women of law enforcement

So true. Protestors and reactionist don't want to hear the other side. I would love to see people ride along with the police to see what they go through. They might not be so quick to lump all police in with the bad ones.
 

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What is the argument against making DC a state? (asking because I don't know enough either way about the issue)
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17
Congress shall have power * * * To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings.

DC is a tiny block of federal buildings that were granted a voice in the electoral college by the 23rd amendment. It was never supposed to be a state. There is no reason to make it a state and the founders feared it would have too much influence over government if it were to be a state. Some have adopted the idea of court-packing and state packing to build influence in DC, but it is purely a power grab.
 

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So protesters trespass on a private street in a gated community, but one of the prosecutors wants to investigate two residents for being armed on their own property lol...



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A couple has come out of their house and is pointing guns at protesters in their neighborhood <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StLouis?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StLouis</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lydakrewson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lydakrewson</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZJ8a553PAU">pic.twitter.com/ZJ8a553PAU</a></p>— Daniel Shular (@xshularx) <a href="https://twitter.com/xshularx/status/1277398234055483393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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So protesters trespass on a private street in a gated community, but one of the prosecutors wants to investigate two residents for being armed on their own property lol...

There are many times during the past few weeks that I just sit back and wonder "well, what did you think was going to happen?".

You start marching near people's homes, after all of the destruction of property that has occurred, what did you expect them to do? Does this really shock you?

Likewise, for the this couple. I don't blame them for what they did and I don't think they did anything wrong. But, given that you sneeze wrong today and you are accused of being an evil person, what did you expect would happen? You think the self righteous mob would just let that happen? You think the public prosecutors want to be accused of placating the rich? They had to know this was going to happen.
 

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There are many times during the past few weeks that I just sit back and wonder "well, what did you think was going to happen?".

You start marching near people's homes, after all of the destruction of property that has occurred, what did you expect them to do? Does this really shock you?

Likewise, for the this couple. I don't blame them for what they did and I don't think they did anything wrong. But, given that you sneeze wrong today and you are accused of being an evil person, what did you expect would happen? You think the self righteous mob would just let that happen? You think the public prosecutors want to be accused of placating the rich? They had to know this was going to happen.

Yep, none of it shocks me. I wonder if the neighborhood residents called the police to report trespassers (I'm guessing they did), and wonder what 911 or whomever answered, told them.

But yes, everyone knows this is going to happen. If you're soft as Charmin on folks breaking the law, you're going to encourage more people to break the law. And if you ignore people's pleas for help, people are going to take it upon themselves. Hell, with everything going on, it's the best marketing ever for assault rifles.

Bottom line, extremes will only create more extremes.
 

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There are many times during the past few weeks that I just sit back and wonder "well, what did you think was going to happen?".

You start marching near people's homes, after all of the destruction of property that has occurred, what did you expect them to do? Does this really shock you?

Likewise, for the this couple. I don't blame them for what they did and I don't think they did anything wrong. But, given that you sneeze wrong today and you are accused of being an evil person, what did you expect would happen? You think the self righteous mob would just let that happen? You think the public prosecutors want to be accused of placating the rich? They had to know this was going to happen.

Yep, none of it shocks me. I wonder if the neighborhood residents called the police to report trespassers (I'm guessing they did), and wonder what 911 or whomever answered, told them.

But yes, everyone knows this is going to happen. If you're soft as Charmin on folks breaking the law, you're going to encourage more people to break the law. And if you ignore people's pleas for help, people are going to take it upon themselves. Hell, with everything going on, it's the best marketing ever for assault rifles.

Bottom line, extremes will only create more extremes.

Encroach on someone else's boundaries is okay? I wonder how the protestors would feel if a bunch of Right leaning protestors showed up at their place? I may look one up and go pitch a tent on their front lawn.
 

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Encroach on someone else's boundaries is okay? I wonder how the protestors would feel if a bunch of Right leaning protestors showed up at their place? I may look one up and go pitch a tent on their front lawn.

I got a couple tents, a few Yeti coolers, and some cool camp chairs. Wanna go pitch some tents on Pelosi's lawn? I'll get the beer, you get the vittles.

I love how Seattle's mayor, the same mayor that was fine with protesters disturbing the real residents of CHOP, got pissed and is now investigating protesters that came to her nice neighborhood.
 

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I got a couple tents, a few Yeti coolers, and some cool camp chairs. Wanna go pitch some tents on Pelosi's lawn? I'll get the beer, you get the vittles.

I love how Seattle's mayor, the same mayor that was fine with protesters disturbing the real residents of CHOP, got pissed and is now investigating protesters that came to her nice neighborhood.

The hypocrisy is real.
 

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I got a couple tents, a few Yeti coolers, and some cool camp chairs. Wanna go pitch some tents on Pelosi's lawn? I'll get the beer, you get the vittles.

I love how Seattle's mayor, the same mayor that was fine with protesters disturbing the real residents of CHOP, got pissed and is now investigating protesters that came to her nice neighborhood.

Sign me up. I have PTO next week.
 

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Sign me up. I have PTO next week.

If I had a couple spare million, I think I'd fund some retired cops to set up tent camps outside Pelosi's hood, as well as the whack job out in Seattle. Maybe Schumer and Nadler's pads too.

Maybe we could get Nancy to share some ice cream.

That might be too tame though. Maybe paying homeless would be better. Buy them all nice new tents and send them take out ever day for as long as they want to stay. And free needles to everyone!
 

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Who was the town of Columbus, Ohio named after?

Damn, you can’t make this shit up.
 

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I got a couple tents, a few Yeti coolers, and some cool camp chairs. Wanna go pitch some tents on Pelosi's lawn? I'll get the beer, you get the vittles.

I love how Seattle's mayor, the same mayor that was fine with protesters disturbing the real residents of CHOP, got pissed and is now investigating protesters that came to her nice neighborhood.

The hypocrisy is real.

It's all for one and one for all, until that "one" is you. lol
 

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I got a couple tents, a few Yeti coolers, and some cool camp chairs. Wanna go pitch some tents on Pelosi's lawn? I'll get the beer, you get the vittles.

I love how Seattle's mayor, the same mayor that was fine with protesters disturbing the real residents of CHOP, got pissed and is now investigating protesters that came to her nice neighborhood.

Sign me up. I have PTO next week.

I can see MSM reporting........"We're here at Nancy Pelosi's home where a new group of protestors who call themselves Irish Envy or IE are camped on her front lawn. At this time we're not sure who or what they represent, but they keep discussing real grass vs. turf and something that is mustard yellow."
 

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Who was the town of Columbus, Ohio named after?

Damn, you can’t make this shit up.

Al of these statues are being taken down, yet they're being put in storage and not being permanently destroyed. What's the purpose of storing it? Wait for the next uproar from the otherside so it can be put back up?
 
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Al of these statues are being taken down, yet they're being put in storage and not being permanently destroyed. What's the purpose of storing it? Wait for the next uproar from the otherside so it can be put back up?

I'm assuming that the only reason that they are being stored is so that they have less push back from those that never really wanted it taken down.
 

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Boston city council voted to take down the statue of Abraham Lincoln. That, my friends, is next level stupid.
 
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