Police State USA

[Irish YJ]

Just saw a vid from earlier where they were getting ready to remove barriers in CHOP. Some protesters were lying down in front of the heavy machinery waiting to pick up the barriers lol...

 

[Irishize]

Just saw a vid from earlier where they were getting ready to remove barriers in CHOP. Some protesters were lying down in front of the heavy machinery waiting to pick up the barriers lol...

These “protesters” have come off as a bunch of spineless spoiled brats. At the first sight of someone standing up their their bullying mob, they run away & scream for the police. Where do they grow these people?

 

[NDRock]

What we believe - and KNOW - is that the cities where most of these problems occur are overwhelmingly controlled by Dems, and have been for decades. The mayors, council members, school boards, police chiefs, and etc. are Dems. You complain that they can't fire bad cops due to the police unions, but it's Dem politicians who've protected the police unions in exchange for campaign contributions. That's what we mean by being in lockstep. Your party has controlled those cities for decades. You've allowed the unions to protect the bad cops. The majority of those Dem run cities are corrupt as hell. Now you complain about the results. Here's how the rest of us feel about it: you made your bed... go lie in it. At least be honest enough and have enough character to admit it, then MAYBE you can start fixing the disasters you created.

Unions, on the local level act just the same as corporations and Lobbyists do on the Federal level. They give money to politicians in order to get them elected and then the politicians "help" them out. Since a politician's main focus is to get reelected, they concentrate on helping out those that put them/keep them in office. It's the basis of what is wrong with our system. IMO.

 

[ACamp1900]

These “protesters” have come off as a bunch of spineless spoiled brats. At the first sight of someone standing up their their bullying mob, they run away & scream for the police. Where do they grow these people?

In the same fields where we grow participation trophies and oppression podiums.

 

[Irish#1]

What we believe - and KNOW - is that the cities where most of these problems occur are overwhelmingly controlled by Dems, and have been for decades. The mayors, council members, school boards, police chiefs, and etc. are Dems. You complain that they can't fire bad cops due to the police unions, but it's Dem politicians who've protected the police unions in exchange for campaign contributions. That's what we mean by being in lockstep. Your party has controlled those cities for decades. You've allowed the unions to protect the bad cops. The majority of those Dem run cities are corrupt as hell. Now you complain about the results. Here's how the rest of us feel about it: you made your bed... go lie in it. At least be honest enough and have enough character to admit it, then MAYBE you can start fixing the disasters you created.

Damn it. You're bringing facts and logic into this debate. After all this time I thought you would know that emotion, not logic is the main ingredient of debate. Do better.

 

[Bishop2b5]

To any of our Dem or Leftist brothers who don't understand why we don't cave to Newspeak and Newthink, and think a Dem run country with Pelosi, Hillary, AOC, Biden, and the rest of the gang in charge is a bad idea, look at your Dem run cities. The majority of them are drug and crime infested shitholes with murder rates that rival third world hellholes, and schools that nobody would want to put their child in. They're corrupt from top to bottom. Many areas of them look like Berlin c. 1945 after the Soviet Army rolled through. Their downtown areas and parks are overrun with homeless people shooting up and shitting on the sidewalks. When rioting broke out recently due to problems of their own making, they froze and feared to act, failing to perform the most basic role of government - protect its citizens - and left their hard working people completely unprotected from the violent mobs. Dem controlled cities are a never-ending disaster area of crime, violence, poverty, job loss, hopelessness, rotten schools, and corruption. If that's what you do to cities you run, how much worse would it be if you ran the entire country? THAT'S why we don't want any part of you in charge of anything!

 

[Irish YJ]

To any of our Dem or Leftist brothers who don't understand why we don't cave to Newspeak and Newthink, and think a Dem run country with Pelosi, Hillary, AOC, Biden, and the rest of the gang in charge is a bad idea, look at your Dem run cities. The majority of them are drug and crime infested shitholes with murder rates that rival third world hellholes, and schools that nobody would want to put their child in. They're corrupt from top to bottom. Many areas of them look like Berlin c. 1945 after the Soviet Army rolled through. Their downtown areas and parks are overrun with homeless people shooting up and shitting on the sidewalks. When rioting broke out recently due to problems of their own making, they froze and feared to act, failing to perform the most basic role of government - protect its citizens - and left their hard working people completely unprotected from the violent mobs. Dem controlled cities are a never-ending disaster area of crime, violence, poverty, job loss, hopelessness, rotten schools, and corruption. If that's what you do to cities you run, how much worse would it be if you ran the entire country? THAT'S why we don't want any part of you in charge of anything!

But this time it will be different

 

[dublinirish]

To any of our Dem or Leftist brothers who don't understand why we don't cave to Newspeak and Newthink, and think a Dem run country with Pelosi, Hillary, AOC, Biden, and the rest of the gang in charge is a bad idea, look at your Dem run cities. The majority of them are drug and crime infested shitholes with murder rates that rival third world hellholes, and schools that nobody would want to put their child in. They're corrupt from top to bottom. Many areas of them look like Berlin c. 1945 after the Soviet Army rolled through. Their downtown areas and parks are overrun with homeless people shooting up and shitting on the sidewalks. When rioting broke out recently due to problems of their own making, they froze and feared to act, failing to perform the most basic role of government - protect its citizens - and left their hard working people completely unprotected from the violent mobs. Dem controlled cities are a never-ending disaster area of crime, violence, poverty, job loss, hopelessness, rotten schools, and corruption. If that's what you do to cities you run, how much worse would it be if you ran the entire country? THAT'S why we don't want any part of you in charge of anything!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight#United_States

 

[TorontoGold]

To any of our Dem or Leftist brothers who don't understand why we don't cave to Newspeak and Newthink, and think a Dem run country with Pelosi, Hillary, AOC, Biden, and the rest of the gang in charge is a bad idea, look at your Dem run cities. The majority of them are drug and crime infested shitholes with murder rates that rival third world hellholes, and schools that nobody would want to put their child in. They're corrupt from top to bottom. Many areas of them look like Berlin c. 1945 after the Soviet Army rolled through. Their downtown areas and parks are overrun with homeless people shooting up and shitting on the sidewalks. When rioting broke out recently due to problems of their own making, they froze and feared to act, failing to perform the most basic role of government - protect its citizens - and left their hard working people completely unprotected from the violent mobs. Dem controlled cities are a never-ending disaster area of crime, violence, poverty, job loss, hopelessness, rotten schools, and corruption. If that's what you do to cities you run, how much worse would it be if you ran the entire country? THAT'S why we don't want any part of you in charge of anything!

One these names isn't like the rest....

Anyways, a lot of progressives are with you on getting rid of the old school Dems who do performative actions instead of instituting real change. Get rid of the Pelosi and Biden's of the world.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight#United_States

This is a bit lazy. You're really going to lay all that on white flight?

First, it doesn't address how automobiles, highways, house manufacturing (subdivisions), increased population, etc. enabled, and to an extent instigated sprawl.

Second, when white people move out, it's bad and labeled white flight. When white people move in, it's bad and labeled gentrification. Seems like it's bad regardless of where white people move?

Third, "white flight" is also credited with increased home ownership by minorities.

And forth, and to circle back to the topics of Dems, how many elitist progressives live in gated communities, gentrified neighborhoods, suburbs, have second houses, etc. vs living in the areas Bishop described? Must have Starbucks and soy!

 

[FDNYIrish1]

One these names isn't like the rest....

Anyways, a lot of progressives are with you on getting rid of the old school Dems who do performative actions instead of instituting real change. Get rid of the Pelosi and Biden's of the world.

Well thankfully we are seeing what progressive cities and leadership look like on the news every night. Weak, pandering losers letting lawlessness and crime run wild. If you consider that real change I’m certainly glad you don’t vote here. Another one who has no idea what life is like on the streets.

 

[TorontoGold]

Well thankfully we are seeing what progressive cities and leadership look like on the news every night. Weak, pandering losers letting lawlessness and crime run wild. If you consider that real change I’m certainly glad you don’t vote here. Another one who has no idea what life is like on the streets.

I literally criticized the old school Dems who are all lip service, and this is your response.

 

[Irish YJ]

So the newest thing is to tear down "white Jesus"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, I think the statues of the white European they claim is Jesus should also come down. <br><br>They are a form of white supremacy. <br><br>Always have been. <br><br>In the Bible, when the family of Jesus wanted to hide, and blend in, guess where they went?<br><br>EGYPT!<br><br>Not Denmark.<br><br>Tear them down.</p>— Shaun King (@shaunking) <a href="https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1275106946916499456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So when I read the above, I kind of chuckled when I remembered that Rami Malek, who is the son of two Egyptian parents, was suggested to play a white Jesus in Messiah. And there's even the below....

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[Irishize]

This is a bit lazy. You're really going to lay all that on white flight?

First, it doesn't address how automobiles, highways, house manufacturing (subdivisions), increased population, etc. enabled, and to an extent instigated sprawl.

Second, when white people move out, it's bad and labeled white flight. When white people move in, it's bad and labeled gentrification. Seems like it's bad regardless of where white people move?

Third, "white flight" is also credited with increased home ownership by minorities.

And forth, and to circle back to the topics of Dems, how many elitist progressives live in gated communities, gentrified neighborhoods, suburbs, have second houses, etc. vs living in the areas Bishop described? Must have Starbucks and soy!

It’s not white flight...it’s white guilt. “The Great Society” totally destroyed the nuclear family in the black community...the fatherless rate exploded exponentially since then for all races but none more affected than black folks.

 

[Legacy]

What we believe - and KNOW - is that the cities where most of these problems occur are overwhelmingly controlled by Dems, and have been for decades. The mayors, council members, school boards, police chiefs, and etc. are Dems. You complain that they can't fire bad cops due to the police unions, but it's Dem politicians who've protected the police unions in exchange for campaign contributions. That's what we mean by being in lockstep. Your party has controlled those cities for decades. You've allowed the unions to protect the bad cops. The majority of those Dem run cities are corrupt as hell. Now you complain about the results. Here's how the rest of us feel about it: you made your bed... go lie in it. At least be honest enough and have enough character to admit it, then MAYBE you can start fixing the disasters you created.

Bishop unleashed. Police oversight and accountability solutions and the obstacles to achieving those have been discussed for at least a decade spanning politics or geography. While Dem influence is increasing in the South, SW, Rocky Mtns, and Midwest, I have not seen the pervasive control of those governments by Dems that you do. Certainly Chicago fits your profile though where the police have had a powerful political influence and where they have had more than one Laquan McDonald murdered. Richard Daley and his police were in lockstep.

Politicians will court the powerful police unions as in NYC. Prior to deBlasio, NYC had twenty years of Republican Mayors - eight of Giuliani and twelve of Michael Bloomberg. The union has blasted Bloomberg over his apology for the "stop and frisk" policy. Are such alignments corrupt as hell? The National Fraternal Order of Police (FOP), the country's largest law enforcement union with more than 330,000 members endorsed Donald Trump for president in 2016. I'm sure they will again. The International Union of Police Associations already endorsed President Donald Trump’s 2020 re-election campaign. The FOP is increasing its lobbying to counteract reforms. Their last lobbying surge was in 2014, when it was initially unsuccessful in arguing that a Pentagon program that provided surplus military gear to the police should be continued. A year after Trump was elected, he reversed all conditions for police to receive military gear which include such items as armored vehicles, assault rifles, grenades and something called a Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle (MRAP).

So when you say "It's Dem politicians who've protected the police unions in exchange for campaign contributions", are you now a bit concerned that those union contributions and endorsements have and will lead to that protection against police accountability by Trump?

At this point, we are having serious discussion in many American cities about police use of excessive force, solutions and the dismissals, arrests and charges of policemen throughout the nation. But when you say "you can start fixing the disasters you created", you seem to me to be implying any of those "fixes" would come in a city where the Dems control the government -- at the detriment of receiving political contributions from the powerful police unions.

Across the U.S., police contracts shield officers from scrutiny and discipline
Reuters, Jan. 13, 2017,

 

[Bishop2b5]

One these names isn't like the rest....

Anyways, a lot of progressives are with you on getting rid of the old school Dems who do performative actions instead of instituting real change. Get rid of the Pelosi and Biden's of the world.

And she certainly isn't like the others, who caused the problems, but her ideas are even worse. We've seen them fail around the world for decades. We're seeing them in action now as anarchy and chaos and violence and destruction. The others are old farts manipulating and exploiting the masses for their own gain. She's an adolescent throwing a temper tantrum and demanding something ridiculous and unworkable. We reject both disastrous approaches. They're not the only options.

 

[TorontoGold]

And she certainly isn't like the others, who caused the problems, but her ideas are even worse. We've seen them fail around the world for decades. We're seeing them in action now as anarchy and chaos and violence and destruction. The others are old farts manipulating and exploiting the masses for their own gain. She's an adolescent throwing a temper tantrum and demanding something ridiculous and unworkable. We reject both disastrous approaches. They're not the only options.

She will literally never ever get 100% of her policies through and be popularized in the US. Shes stated that her views like up closer to some of the Norwegian countries. The logical progression for the party if they keep playing ball with the AOC types of the party is a push towards a style like Lib party of Canada. Spoiler: Nothing materially changes with them in charge, they're weak kneed and do some performative shit but will never change the tax policy too much.

I'm sure you have similar views about the freedom caucus, right? Those guys are always reasonable and never sound like a bunch of babies?? We can paint any politician on any side as whiney or a baby who we don't like. Point is, if you have faith in your institutions and have faith that country won't turn into some USSR/Venezuela type wasteland, you'll be ok.

 

[Irish YJ]

Bishop unleashed. Police oversight and accountability solutions and the obstacles to achieving those have been discussed for at least a decade spanning politics or geography. While Dem influence is increasing in the South, SW, Rocky Mtns, and Midwest, I have not seen the pervasive control of those governments by Dems that you do. Certainly Chicago fits your profile though where the police have had a powerful political influence and where they have had more than one Laquan McDonald murdered. Richard Daley and his police were in lockstep.

Politicians will court the powerful police unions as in NYC. Prior to deBlasio, NYC had twenty years of Republican Mayors - eight of Giuliani and twelve of Michael Bloomberg. The union has blasted Bloomberg over his apology for the "stop and frisk" policy. Are such alignments corrupt as hell? The National Fraternal Order of Police (FOP), the country's largest law enforcement union with more than 330,000 members endorsed Donald Trump for president in 2016. I'm sure they will again. The International Union of Police Associations already endorsed President Donald Trump’s 2020 re-election campaign. The FOP is increasing its lobbying to counteract reforms. Their last lobbying surge was in 2014, when it was initially unsuccessful in arguing that a Pentagon program that provided surplus military gear to the police should be continued. A year after Trump was elected, he reversed all conditions for police to receive military gear which include such items as armored vehicles, assault rifles, grenades and something called a Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle (MRAP).

So when you say "It's Dem politicians who've protected the police unions in exchange for campaign contributions", are you now a bit concerned that those union contributions and endorsements have and will lead to that protection against police accountability by Trump?

At this point, we are having serious discussion in many American cities about police use of excessive force, solutions and the dismissals, arrests and charges of policemen throughout the nation. But when you say "you can start fixing the disasters you created", you seem to me to be implying any of those "fixes" would come in a city where the Dems control the government -- at the detriment of receiving political contributions from the powerful police unions.

Across the U.S., police contracts shield officers from scrutiny and discipline
Reuters, Jan. 13, 2017,

You're level of cognitive dissonance and dis ingenuousness is truly off the charts some times.

How do you explain the overwhelming majority of consent decrees, and the political background of the places where they were levied. You ignored and danced around the my previous replies, but here it is again. You're bolded above is LOLzzz

Consent decrees
LA PD - Dem the last 20 years, and 51 of last 59.
LA Sheriff - elected, current is Dem
Chicago PD - Dem the last 90 years
New Orleans PD - Dem the last 148 years
Seattle PD - Dem the last 30 years
Detroit PD - Dem the last 58 years
East Haven (NY) PD - Mixed rotation, now Dem
Warren (OH) PD - Dem for at least last 9 years
Albuquerque PD - Dem, and for 27 of the last 35 years
Cleveland PD - Dem last 20 years, and 63 of 78 years
Meridian (Miss) PD - Dem the last 7 years
Maricopa (AZ) - elected, current is dem
Ferguson PD - Mixed, Dem when shooting happened
DC PD - Dem the last 60 years,
Miami PD - Mixed last 20 years
Baltimore PD - Dem the last 50+ years
Newark PD - Dem the last 60+ years
Portland PD - Dem the last 40 years

You also ignored the ABC report of increased violence during/after consent decrees.
Also ignored that Chicago gov has missed 70% of their consent decree deadlines.
Also ignored the report that the majority of LA's city council and DA are taking major dollars from the police union.


And you're really trying to say the bolded above with a straight face?

As Irish#1 would say...

 

[Irish YJ]

She will literally never ever get 100% of her policies through and be popularized in the US. Shes stated that her views like up closer to some of the Norwegian countries. The logical progression for the party if they keep playing ball with the AOC types of the party is a push towards a style like Lib party of Canada. Spoiler: Nothing materially changes with them in charge, they're weak kneed and do some performative shit but will never change the tax policy too much.

I'm sure you have similar views about the freedom caucus, right? Those guys are always reasonable and never sound like a bunch of babies?? We can paint any politician on any side as whiney or a baby who we don't like. Point is, if you have faith in your institutions and have faith that country won't turn into some USSR/Venezuela type wasteland, you'll be ok.

Faith in institutions? lol. Public trust in government has been on the decline since the 60s, and hit its lowest in 2011 and has stayed there for the most part (Pew average). Neither side trusts the institutions. Less than 20% lol.. So no, most of us here in the USA don't trust our institutions.

Fact is, the window has been shifting left for a while now, and the left tail has been wagging the Dem dog. You say you don't like Pelosi and the old timers, but the majority of young vocal leaders in the party are far left. The Freedom Caucus isn't dragging the GOP right. Heck, if you ask 100 random people to name people/leaders in the Freedom caucus, I doubt many if any could name names. If you ask them who is in the Squad, you'd get some answers lol.

Trump's, and current GOP policy are not so dissimilar from a lot of Biden's policy 5-15 years ago. Dem's were pro immigration enforcement 5 years ago. There were Dems that would actually say they were pro-life just a short time ago. Almost every policy issue has taken a big jump left. How many GOP policies have taken significant moves right? I can't think of any. They've either stayed status quo, or moved left.

 

[Legacy]

I am. certainly open to arguments that changes in leadership in the cities with the most egregious civil rights violations will work to include processes that effectively kick out the 10% or whatever of those "bad apples". (It's been said here that 90% of the work of internal processes for accountability is spent on 10% of the force.) The purpose of consent decrees with the feds is to bring PDs in compliance with the U.S. Constitution and civil rights laws.

I've observed as many have that so many of the cities now have AA Police Chiefs, but am reluctant to generalize that AA Chiefs need to be removed from those positions. Causation can be quite a stretch if not specious. November looms with the opportunity for Republican candidates to be elected on the platform of ridding cities of the "bad apples" in their PD despite losses in police union contributions and contracts and arbitration procedures that protect them.

In this current environment, that would be a winning political strategy - clean up the corruption and shift resources to rebuilding communities while working with community leaders and fund the small businesses that can be the foundaton of positive change.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Point is, if you have faith in your institutions and have faith that country won't turn into some USSR/Venezuela type wasteland, you'll be ok.

I have no faith in this at all. I've seen how this works and understand what they want.

 

[Legacy]

Police Departments Grapple With Who Should Hold Them Accountable
Scandals surrounding abuse and corruption are spurring cities across the country to adopt civilian oversight boards. But some argue they have the opposite effect that advocates are looking for.
(Governing, JANUARY 2018)

Sharon Fairley remembers how she felt when she first saw the dash cam video of the Chicago police shooting 17-year-old Laquan McDonald. “Shock and concern,” she says. “It’s just heartbreaking to watch that kind of violence being done to a person.”

Fairley, a former federal prosecutor, knew police work could be tough. She also knew that video could be misleading. But what this video showed was genuinely shocking. Police cars converge on a young man walking erratically down the middle of a street in an industrial neighborhood at night. Two officers jump out of a marked SUV. Seconds later, Officer Jason Van Dyke, who is white, empties his 16-bullet clip into McDonald, who is African-American. Van Dyke’s partner then walks over and kicks a 3-inch knife from the hand of the motionless teen.

Officers at the scene said that McDonald had turned threateningly toward Van Dyke with the knife. The video told a different story. The shooting occurred in October 2014, but Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s office took no public actions against the police department. Nor did the city release the video. Seven months later, a local journalist filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the video. Hours before its release, prosecutors arrested Van Dyke and charged him with first-degree murder. (cont)

Officer Jason Van Dyke was found guilty of second-degree murder and 16 counts of aggravated battery – one for each shot he fired A federal judge approved a Consent Decree on Jan 31, 2019.

Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan alleged that the 13,000-officer department had a troubling record of civil rights violations and said it needed an outside monitor to oversee reforms.

Sessions: Chicago police consent decree plan 'colossal mistake' pushed by lame-duck mayor
(USA TODAY, Oct 2018)

"Micromanaging the CPD through a federal court order isn't justified; it is an insult to the department."

Sessions opposed parts of the Freedom of Informaton Act.

 

[Irish YJ]

Minneapolis City Council defunding the PD, but hires a private security force to protect them on the tax payer dime.

You just can't make this shit up.

 

[Legacy]

On June 6th in FB Brevard County F.O.P. President Lt Bert Gamin posted:

"Hey Buffalo 57... and Atlanta 6... we are hiring in Florida. Lower taxes, no spineless leadership, or dumb mayors rambling on at press conferences... Plus... we got your back! #lawandorderFlorida,"

Two days after the recruitment call out to those officers who had been disciplined or jailed, Gamin, was suspended with pay. He apologized, after initially defending the comment. In a statement issued Tuesday, Gamin said the post was "in poor taste and did not reflect the sentiment that I was trying to convey, nor that of the FOP. "For that, I humbly apologize to all of you."

Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey said,

The Brevard County FOP does not represent our agency and certainly does not reflect our views. What was put into that post was disgusting, despicable and quite frankly not in the consideration of all that has happened in our country right now. I’m embarrassed by it."

An internal investigation determined that Gamin had had corrective action regarding statements and comments he has made in the past regarding union and political views.

“The documentation on his personal file that was most concerning, was from an incident involving an alleged racial overtones that occurred almost eight years before I became sheriff that happened 15 years ago. The statements were directed to one of his subordinates at the time and they were disrespectful and unprofessional to say the least.”

Ivey announced six days later that Gamin had resigned from the Brevard Sheriff's Dept. Gamin had been informed that he would be fired.

 

[MJ12666]

On June 6th in FB Brevard County F.O.P. President Lt Bert Gamin posted:


Two days after the recruitment call out to those officers who had been disciplined or jailed, Gamin, was suspended with pay. He apologized, after initially defending the comment. In a statement issued Tuesday, Gamin said the post was "in poor taste and did not reflect the sentiment that I was trying to convey, nor that of the FOP. "For that, I humbly apologize to all of you."

Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey said,


An internal investigation determined that Gamin had had corrective action regarding statements and comments he has made in the past regarding union and political views.


Ivey announced six days later that Gamin had resigned from the Brevard Sheriff's Dept. Gamin had been informed that he would be fired.

Just in case you are not aware of this, the 57 Buffalo officers were not disciplined or jailed. They simply resigned in protest from the city's Special Response team and returned to their old police units.

The 57 officers resigned from the emergency unit but not from the force. The Buffalo mayor's office told CNN that the 57 members that resigned from the unit make up the entire active emergency response team.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-suspension-shoving-man-trnd/index.html

 

[irishff1014]

Minneapolis City Council defunding the PD, but hires a private security force to protect them on the tax payer dime.

You just can't make this shit up.

You can't make it up. You also can't fix stupid. And that's what that city has shown in the last 30 days. A whole bunch of stupidity.

 

[Irish#1]

Minneapolis City Council defunding the PD, but hires a private security force to protect them on the tax payer dime.

You just can't make this shit up.

Call it a private security force Minny, but it's still police.

Will current officers be able to apply for jobs? I wonder how many won't apply?

Turnover will be a huge problem as pay will be lower and there is no protection from retribution. Who wants to put their life on the line everyday knowing the pay is crappy and you are restricted in how you perform your job?

Wait until someone decides to unionize them.

 

[Irish#1]

St Louis protestors upset their names were made known. ACLU calls it intimidation. lol


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/st-louis-mayor-police-reform/index.html

 

[drayer54]

Minneapolis City Council defunding the PD, but hires a private security force to protect them on the tax payer dime.

You just can't make this shit up.

It's actually quite common. How many gun-control Bloomberg types do you see who hire private armed security while actively pushing to disarm you and I?

"No security for thee, but armed guards for me" is a liberal mantra.

 

[drayer54]

St Louis protestors upset their names were made known. ACLU calls it intimidation. lol


https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/us/st-louis-mayor-police-reform/index.html

Meanwhile, BLM asked their people to make Bar complaints about these people:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/29/st-louis-protest-gun-mayor/

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...-at-black-lives-matter-protesters-in-st-louis

These are my favorite articles because they completely ignore that they broke down the fence to the gated community to peacefully protest the mayor. Having seen the complete chaos in this country caused by 'peaceful protestors' in the last few weeks, of course they were terrified.