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I actually have zero problem with someone from his team thinking it might be a noose and reporting it.

What I do find fault with is how NASCAR handled this thing.

I also find fault with Bubba calling people "simple minded" for daring to question the validity of the claim. A simple apology for his mischaracterization would go a long way. Instead it looks like he's going to play the victim card here and do the talk show circuit.
 

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To the bolded, color me shocked!

I did a quick review of those links. Going off that small sampling of data, it tells me two things. First that the majority of policemen are good and it's a few bad apples causing everyone to blame police in general. The second is what I've already said. Give the review boards or courts the teeth to mete out the punishment.

A bit more. Here's how the Civilian Complaint Review Board (CCRB) in NYC investigates complaints and comes up with recommendations. After that thorough investigation, then it goes to the NYPD.The CCRB came up with 175 cases in which they recommended an officer be charged (the most serious level of discipline), the NYPD only sought charges in 7 and discipline in 25. The CCRB recommended command discipline in 70 cases. In 35 of these cases, the officer was only given instructions. Officers received no discipline in 24 such cases. In 2012 overall, the NYPD followed the CCRB's recommendation in only 25 out 258 cases (9.7%). Most often the department simply dismisses the case without taking disciplinary action.

So, in the oldest and biggest review board, all substantiated complaints go through the NYPD.
Can I assume that you would want their review board to eliminate going through the NYPD and forwarding their recommendations with evidence to the state AG? Does it indicate to you that the CCRB has the teeth to week out the "bad apples"?

Then, the contract gives the officer who was kicked off the force by the PD the opportunity to go to arbitration, which usually puts the bad apple back on the force.
Police in misconduct cases stay on force through arbitration

An Oregon police officer lost his job and then returned to work after fatally shooting an unarmed Black man in the back. A Florida sergeant was let go six times for using excessive force and stealing from suspects, while a Texas lieutenant was terminated five times after being accused of striking two women, making threatening calls and committing other infractions.

These officers and hundreds of others across the country were fired, sometimes repeatedly, for violating policies but got their jobs back after appealing their cases to an arbitrator who overturned their discipline — an all-too-common practice that some experts in law and in policing say stands in the way of real accountability.

“Arbitration inherently undermines police decisions,” said Michael Gennaco, a police reform expert and former federal civil rights prosecutor who specialized in police misconduct cases. “It’s dismaying to see arbitrators regularly putting people back to work.”

The killing of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer sparked weeks of protests and calls for reforms, but experts say arbitration can block those efforts.

Arbitration, the appeals process used by most law enforcement agencies, contributes to officer misconduct, limits public oversight and dampens morale, said Stephen Rushin, a Loyola University Chicago law professor who last year published a study on arbitration in the University of Pennsylvania Law Review.

“Police arbitration on appeal is one of the single most important accountability issues in the country,” he told The Associated Press. “You can’t change an organization if you have to keep employing people that you know are going to do bad things.”

Generally, when a misconduct complaint is filed against an officer, it’s investigated internally and if a policy violation occurred, the chief or other official may order discipline ranging from oral reprimand to suspension to termination.

An officer who objects can appeal to an arbitrator. Each state and municipality is different, but this is the most common process. Police unions argue that arbitration is less expensive and less time-consuming than going to court, so it’s written into their contracts.
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The only alternative is for the AG to bring charges in criminal court. As noted in the article, the reinstated officer gets backpay for all the time he was off the force. The officer may sue the city also

New York City Police Department corruption and misconduct
 
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https://www.espn.com/racing/nascar/...last-fall-bubba-wallace-not-victim-hate-crime

They ought to throw Bubba out of racing for trying to stir more racist tension. A pull rope on a garage door! Come on man that's bullshit

Better yet lets hear what dumb ass LeBron James has to say now?!?!?!

I suspect Ol Bubba wanted to pick up some new fans.

I have no idea how someone screws up a pull string in a garage for a noose? Oh well. Happy it turned out not to be a race thing.

It pisses me off that you can falsely accuse someone or give a false narrative for something that happened. I understand this goes beyond Bubba but him and his team portrayed this as racist incident at very very bad time knowing the reaction they would get. The Petty family is one of the biggest in the sport and if they played a part they should be punished. And if the nascar officials had anything todo with it being portrayed this was they should also face a punishment. It’s bullshit that their is no accountability for their actions.

And let’s face it if he was that offended he should change his name. Bubba is one of the biggest redneck names there is in this county.


As it has been noted already, Bubba personally never saw it.

And Irishff, shouldn't you just be glad that it ended up NOT being a hate crime directed towards Bubba? This isn't like they covered up the FBI findings. There was apparently reason enough to report it and have it taken seriously by NASCAR, and instead of just waiting to hear it out, the whole driver pool and their teams essentially came out and said, if that's the case, we do not stand for it. They also reported it to authorities instead of just brushing it off or doing an "internal" investigation of some sort which should probably be commended as well even if it ended up being bogus. (This is how we handle suspected sexual assault and rape cases nowadays...if there is ANY hint that it is happening, you report it immediately to authorities.)

This should be seen as a win, win. Drivers and their teams showed solidarity against racism being a perceived part of their sport, and luckily, no hate crime actually occurred.
 

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As it has been noted already, Bubba personally never saw it.

And Irishff, shouldn't you just be glad that it ended up NOT being a hate crime directed towards Bubba? This isn't like they covered up the FBI findings. There was apparently reason enough to report it and have it taken seriously by NASCAR, and instead of just waiting to hear it out, the whole driver pool and their teams essentially came out and said, if that's the case, we do not stand for it. They also reported it to authorities instead of just brushing it off or doing an "internal" investigation of some sort which should probably be commended as well even if it ended up being bogus. (This is how we handle suspected sexual assault and rape cases nowadays...if there is ANY hint that it is happening, you report it immediately to authorities.)

This should be seen as a win, win. Drivers and their teams showed solidarity against racism being a perceived part of their sport, and luckily, no hate crime actually occurred.

I agree in general, but not a total win IMO. That team member should have went to the owner or crew chief first. Instead of anyone going public, all concerned and involved parties should have gotten together to determine if this was a legitimate threat. They would have found that pull rope had been tied that way for quite a while. A lot of needless racial tension could have been avoided.
 

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I agree in general, but not a total win IMO. That team member should have went to the owner or crew chief first. Instead of anyone going public, all concerned and involved parties should have gotten together to determine if this was a legitimate threat. They would have found that pull rope had been tied that way for quite a while. A lot of needless racial tension could have been avoided.


As I mentioned though, a lot of times it is better to report it to the appropriate authorities than to not do so.

They also reported it to authorities instead of just brushing it off or doing an "internal" investigation of some sort which should probably be commended as well even if it ended up being bogus. (This is how we handle suspected sexual assault and rape cases nowadays...if there is ANY hint that it is happening, you report it immediately to authorities.)

We still do not know exactly who made the initial report though to my knowledge.

I also don't think there was any added racial tension. The only person who could have felt threatened by this, I would assume, would be Bubba, and he ended up with the whole of NASCAR letting him know that they stand with him.
 

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As it has been noted already, Bubba personally never saw it.

And Irishff, shouldn't you just be glad that it ended up NOT being a hate crime directed towards Bubba? This isn't like they covered up the FBI findings. There was apparently reason enough to report it and have it taken seriously by NASCAR, and instead of just waiting to hear it out, the whole driver pool and their teams essentially came out and said, if that's the case, we do not stand for it. They also reported it to authorities instead of just brushing it off or doing an "internal" investigation of some sort which should probably be commended as well even if it ended up being bogus. (This is how we handle suspected sexual assault and rape cases nowadays...if there is ANY hint that it is happening, you report it immediately to authorities.)

This should be seen as a win, win. Drivers and their teams showed solidarity against racism being a perceived part of their sport, and luckily, no hate crime actually occurred.

Most people who are actually fans of the sport knew this was some kind of stunt. Either a hoax or something stupid. One Nascar radio personality even stated that it was probably just a door pull and was basically ran out of the studio.
Everything about this was ridiculous and it would be evident to anybody that this was a door pull. I still can't believe they called the FBI.

Bubba Wallace's attitude is what has people angry. The speed in which he and his team tried to take the victim role. The smugness with anyone questioning it and calling them simpleminded and racist. The smugness of stating that he's already famous and doesn't need attention.

Dude, you are a mid packer on a one car team that hasn't won a race in over a decade. You need more sponsorship money to compete with the other teams. Nobody who doesn't watch every week even knew who you were. Now everybody knows who you are. Well played by your team, I guess.
 

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Most people who are actually fans of the sport knew this was some kind of stunt. Either a hoax or something stupid. One Nascar radio personality even stated that it was probably just a door pull and was basically ran out of the studio.
Everything about this was ridiculous and it would be evident to anybody that this was a door pull. I still can't believe they called the FBI.

Bubba Wallace's attitude is what has people angry. The speed in which he and his team tried to take the victim role. The smugness with anyone questioning it and calling them simpleminded and racist. The smugness of stating that he's already famous and doesn't need attention.

Dude, you are a mid packer on a one car team that hasn't won a race in over a decade. You need more sponsorship money to compete with the other teams. Nobody who doesn't watch every week even knew who you were. Now everybody knows who you are. Well played by your team, I guess.

Again, I'm not going to pretend to know intent (and I don't know what this guy said) but this is why folks should be a lot more careful with these allegations and accusations. Someone lost their job over this. That's not ok when it turns out to not be true anyways. Hopefully he gets reinstated.
 

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A bit more. Here's how the Civilian Complaint Review Board (CCRB) in NYC investigates complaints and comes up with recommendations. After that thorough investigation, then it goes to the NYPD.The CCRB came up with 175 cases in which they recommended an officer be charged (the most serious level of discipline), the NYPD only sought charges in 7 and discipline in 25. The CCRB recommended command discipline in 70 cases. In 35 of these cases, the officer was only given instructions. Officers received no discipline in 24 such cases. In 2012 overall, the NYPD followed the CCRB's recommendation in only 25 out 258 cases (9.7%). Most often the department simply dismisses the case without taking disciplinary action.

So, in the oldest and biggest review board, all substantiated complaints go through the NYPD.
Can I assume that you would want their review board to eliminate going through the NYPD and forwarding their recommendations with evidence to the state AG? Does it indicate to you that the CCRB has the teeth to week out the "bad apples"?

Then, the contract gives the officer who was kicked off the force by the PD the opportunity to go to arbitration, which usually puts the bad apple back on the force.
Police in misconduct cases stay on force through arbitration



The only alternative is for the AG to bring charges in criminal court. As noted in the article, the reinstated officer gets backpay for all the time he was off the force. The officer may sue the city also

New York City Police Department corruption and misconduct

Either you can't see the forest for the trees or I am the worst when it comes to explaining this. I'll give it one last shot them I'm done.

Forget the past. Forget NY and how things are handled now. Think in terms of all police departments. You take the power to decide who gets reviewed and their punishment away from the police. As mentioned before, the review board should be made up of a mix of civilians, a member of the police department and include an attorney. Having just one policeman will keep things from being covered up, but gives them a voice. The board can then suspend, fire or dismiss the complaint. If they feel a crime was committed it can be sent to the AG for review. They will also have to face the lawsuits from civilians and the police union.
 

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"But it's simple-minded people like that, the ones afraid of change, they use everything in their power to defend what they stand up for instead of trying to listen and understand what's going on," Wallace said.


Here's the quote I guess so many of you are upset about, and I don't think Bubba is trying to call anyone who was wondering if it was legitimate or not an idiot, but I think he's trying to say, that it's pretty simple-minded to just immediately assume that it just can't be a possibility...as if racism hasn't ever been a part of NASCAR or our country. Like, why not support, not just Bubba, but everyone in saying that there is no place in the sport for stuff like this. Sure, this instance ended up being a nothing burger, but literally, what harm has it done to confront a real issue in our country?


Instead we end up with people more upset about this not being a hate crime than people probably were about it being a potential hate crime. Don't your priorities seem a little backwards there?
 

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Wait, Wallace never saw it himself?? I just read a story where he’s still saying it was definitely a noose.
 

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Again, I'm not going to pretend to know intent (and I don't know what this guy said) but this is why folks should be a lot more careful with these allegations and accusations. Someone lost their job over this. That's not ok when it turns out to not be true anyways. Hopefully he gets reinstated.


Did someone actually lose their job for just questioning whether it was truly a noose versus a pull string? If so, that would be really dumb. But it also wouldn't be the fault of people thinking it was one unless they specifically called for him to be fired and the station caved.
 

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As I mentioned though, a lot of times it is better to report it to the appropriate authorities than to not do so.



We still do not know exactly who made the initial report though to my knowledge.

I also don't think there was any added racial tension. The only person who could have felt threatened by this, I would assume, would be Bubba, and he ended up with the whole of NASCAR letting him know that they stand with him.

"Racial tension probably wasn't appropriate, but it definitely doesn't help the current tensions and climate when the media reports it. We started with legitimate outrage for the killing of George Floyd. We now have cities being decimated, businesses destroyed and overtaken, statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson being destroyed and police in general being threatened every day. Reporting this story didn't help.
 

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Wait, Wallace never saw it himself?? I just read a story where he’s still saying it was definitely a noose.


"It wasn’t directed at me,” Wallace added, “but it was a noose.”


I think he's trying to say, 'hey, understand why this was a reported issue'. The garage pull was unlike any other one they had seen. It was not tied in a simple loop, but it was tied in a similar fashion to a noose.
 

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Here's the quote I guess so many of you are upset about, and I don't think Bubba is trying to call anyone who was wondering if it was legitimate or not an idiot, but I think he's trying to say, that it's pretty simple-minded to just immediately assume that it just can't be a possibility...as if racism hasn't ever been a part of NASCAR or our country. Like, why not support, not just Bubba, but everyone in saying that there is no place in the sport for stuff like this. Sure, this instance ended up being a nothing burger, but literally, what harm has it done to confront a real issue in our country?


Instead we end up with people more upset about this not being a hate crime than people probably were about it being a potential hate crime. Don't your priorities seem a little backwards there?

Blame Jesse Smollett.
 

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It’s a little unclear what Bubba saw and when he saw it. But evidently at some point before doing the TV interviews the last two days, he has seen pictures of the pull rope/noose. When he saw those pictures is unclear.

Wondering when the public gets to see pictures
 

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"Racial tension probably wasn't appropriate, but it definitely doesn't help the current tensions and climate when the media reports it. We started with legitimate outrage for the killing of George Floyd. We now have cities being decimated, businesses destroyed and overtaken, statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson being destroyed and police in general being threatened every day. Reporting this story didn't help.


I'm not sure how things not being reported would help though. Had this ended up being a hate crime and people had sat on it for some time before it got reported, it would look as if there was an attempted cover up and arguably would have made things much worse.
 

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Here's the quote I guess so many of you are upset about, and I don't think Bubba is trying to call anyone who was wondering if it was legitimate or not an idiot, but I think he's trying to say, that it's pretty simple-minded to just immediately assume that it just can't be a possibility...as if racism hasn't ever been a part of NASCAR or our country. Like, why not support, not just Bubba, but everyone in saying that there is no place in the sport for stuff like this. Sure, this instance ended up being a nothing burger, but literally, what harm has it done to confront a real issue in our country?


Instead we end up with people more upset about this not being a hate crime than people probably were about it being a potential hate crime. Don't your priorities seem a little backwards there?

You really should’ve included the question he was responding to in the quote. The quote needs context.
 

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Blame Jesse Smollett.


I mean, I think that guy should be in prison for trying to fake a hate crime. Same with anyone who intentionally tries to do that.



But I'm pretty sure there have been more lynchings and racist threats in this country than there have been fake ones. Blame what they did to Emmett Till.
 

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"Some people are suggesting that this is a hoax or perhaps even staged by NASCAR to garner more support for the removal of the confederate flag, but my understanding is that the only people who have access to the area where the noose was found are the racing teams and perhaps a few essential workers," co-host Sunny Hostin said during today's interview. "So what would you say to those people who are doubting that this even happened or that it's true?"

"Just like [NASCAR president] Steve Phelps said it offends me that people would go to those measures but again I'm not shocked," Wallace said. "People are entitled to their own opinion to make them feel good, whatever helps them sleep at night. But it is still an ongoing investigation with the FBI. I can now say I've talked to the FBI, never thought that would happen. But it's just unfortunate circumstances in a terrible time that we're in right now."

Wallace continued, "It's simple-minded people like that, the ones who are afraid of change, they use everything in their power to defend what they stand up for and instead of trying to listen and understand what's going on…like I said, this is an ongoing investigation. We're still trying to figure out whoever did this crazy act."

So basically he's offended but not shocked. Seems to me he's insulting anyone who doubted the story.

The only out I can give Bubba is that the first part of the question she uses words like hoax and staged implying this thing was a setup and the second half of the question she simply refers to doubters. Regardless, he insulted a fair bunch of people in the process and it turns out those people were right (not the people who think this was staged).

Again, I think a simple apology would go a long way, instead it's like he's doubling down by going on another TV show this morning.
 

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So basically he's offended but not shocked. Seems to me he's insulting anyone who doubted the story.

The only out I can give Bubba is that the first part of the question she uses words like hoax and staged implying this thing was a setup and the second half of the question she simply refers to doubters. Regardless, he insulted a fair bunch of people in the process and it turns out those people were right (not the people who think this was staged).

Again, I think a simple apology would go a long way, instead it's like he's doubling down by going on another TV show this morning.


Like you mentioned in your second paragraph, to me, it sounds like he's being asked specifically about the people who are more apt to believe that it was a conspiracy theory to garner more approval for the removal of the Confederate flag though, or rather, I find that it's likely that those are the people he's talking about.


Either way, I still am unsure exactly who he should be apologizing to. This guy seems to have genuinely believed he was the target of a hate crime (though it is now apparent that was not the case), but now he's supposed to apologize for calling a group of unnamed/hypothetical people simple minded?


As well, what is the problem with him taking interviews right now? He has become the face of an activist movement in sports, it's to be expected.
 

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Either you can't see the forest for the trees or I am the worst when it comes to explaining this. I'll give it one last shot them I'm done.

Forget the past. Forget NY and how things are handled now. Think in terms of all police departments. You take the power to decide who gets reviewed and their punishment away from the police. As mentioned before, the review board should be made up of a mix of civilians, a member of the police department and include an attorney. Having just one policeman will keep things from being covered up, but gives them a voice. The board can then suspend, fire or dismiss the complaint. If they feel a crime was committed it can be sent to the AG for review. They will also have to face the lawsuits from civilians and the police union.

I had assumed you read my links specific to the CCRB. The structure is much more extensive than you would have it.
Structure[edit]
The CCRB exists today as a fully independent civil department, staffed with 142 civilian investigators and about a dozen miscellaneous employees. Additionally, three officers from the NYPD's Monitoring and Analysis Section of the Department Advocate's Office work with the CCRB at their office at 100 Church Street, whose role is to provide the Investigators with access to certain restricted NYPD documentation.

The agency is headed by the 13 member board, five chosen by the city council, 5 by the mayor, and 3 by the Police Commissioner; none may be current public employees. As of April 2018, the chair is Rev. Frederick Davie.[5] Jonathan Darche, after having served as Interim Executive Director and Chief Prosecutor, was appointed Executive Director in May 2017.[1]

The agency is divided into several divisions, the largest being the Investigations Division. The Investigations Division is headed by two Chiefs of Investigations who oversee 16 Investigative Squads.

The agency also contains an Administrative Division, which includes Human Resources, Information Management Unit and the Case Management Unit (which stores all records of past cases), among others, which is led by the Deputy Executive Director of Administration.[6] There are then four other directorships, including the new "Research and Strategic Initiatives Director", as well as the Mediation Unit Director. There is also legal counsel. These units complement and serve the Investigations Unit, which acts as the main focal point of the Agency.[6]

The link also details how complaints are handled, the process for recommendations, board action and prosecution. If effective oversight and authority to dismiss the worst cops cannot even be achieved with this extensive process and such gregious behaviors much less any fraction of it, the process needs to change. With arbitration of even those fired mulitple times puts them back on the force, that process needs to be changed. NYC is just an example that other cities may want to avoid pitfalls.

Once more (quote above from this);
Civilian Complaint Review Board (Wiki)
 
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Like you mentioned in your second paragraph, to me, it sounds like he's being asked specifically about the people who are more apt to believe that it was a conspiracy theory to garner more approval for the removal of the Confederate flag though, or rather, I find that it's likely that those are the people he's talking about.


Either way, I still am unsure exactly who he should be apologizing to. This guy seems to have genuinely believed he was the target of a hate crime (though it is now apparent that was not the case), but now he's supposed to apologize for calling a group of unnamed/hypothetical people simple minded?


As well, what is the problem with him taking interviews right now? He has become the face of an activist movement in sports, it's to be expected.

That's the beauty of it, he doesn't have to apologize to anyone in particular. When he went on the Today Show this morning, he simply could've made made a conciliatory gesture saying that he regretted the poor word choice and that his response was primarily directed at those that thought NASCAR or his team were doing this as some kind of PR ploy which obviously was not true. One sentence and you move on. You know that NBC wouldn't have dwelt even a second on it.

I think there's a fair number of NASCAR fans that rightly thought that something didn't pass the smell test given the amount of security and cameras in the garages. They didn't necessarily know what the truth was, but certainly were reasonable in their doubt. Bubba basically told them that their doubts weren't reasonable to the point that he was offended. Again, maybe he wasn't speaking to those people, but I can almost guarantee that's how it was perceived. You want to win "reasonable" people to your side, show that you are gracious and reasonable as well. Certainly there are some NASCAR fans that aren't reasonable and Bubba will never be able to win those to his side. This type of response isn't directed at them.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/5noPid5zqO">pic.twitter.com/5noPid5zqO</a></p>— Bubba Wallace (@BubbaWallace) <a href="https://twitter.com/BubbaWallace/status/1275844030144950272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/5noPid5zqO">pic.twitter.com/5noPid5zqO</a></p>— Bubba Wallace (@BubbaWallace) <a href="https://twitter.com/BubbaWallace/status/1275844030144950272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's a lot better. No one wants him to grovel. I actually like Bubba. I like to see him do well because of Petty Enterprises and their struggles.

Nascar fans like Bubba. It's not a black or white thing. It's a culture thing. And that's what people in the north don't understand to a degree. He fits the culture. Nascar is a blue collar, country music/southern rock, fishing, hunting, outdoors, beer drinking, southern pride culture. Bubba fits that perfectly.
 

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I agree in general, but not a total win IMO. That team member should have went to the owner or crew chief first. Instead of anyone going public, all concerned and involved parties should have gotten together to determine if this was a legitimate threat. They would have found that pull rope had been tied that way for quite a while. A lot of needless racial tension could have been avoided.

This^^

Yes it showed solidarity amongst NASCAR and that’s great...but what happened to letting all the facts come in before hitting the social media & MSM circuits?
 

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Here's the quote I guess so many of you are upset about, and I don't think Bubba is trying to call anyone who was wondering if it was legitimate or not an idiot, but I think he's trying to say, that it's pretty simple-minded to just immediately assume that it just can't be a possibility...as if racism hasn't ever been a part of NASCAR or our country. Like, why not support, not just Bubba, but everyone in saying that there is no place in the sport for stuff like this. Sure, this instance ended up being a nothing burger, but literally, what harm has it done to confront a real issue in our country?


Instead we end up with people more upset about this not being a hate crime than people probably were about it being a potential hate crime. Don't your priorities seem a little backwards there?

Your point makes perfect sense but the problem is that the American public has seen all too many hoaxes of this nature. Not just Smollett. I’ll link the article that shows all the hoaxes lately.

Your right about Wallace. He meant well and was just going by what was told to him. He & his fellow drivers responded great. But his advisors need to be questioned for putting him on the interview circuit before the facts came in. Especially when his two biggest interviews were The View & Don Lemon of CNN. It’s Bubba’s advisors responsibility to not drag their client into the fray of calling everything “racist”. That’s “The View” & Don Lemon/CNN in a nutshell.
 
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