Police State USA

[Irishize]

His poll numbers have been steady for 8 months, riots or no riots.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Yes, the Trump strategy is to paint Biden as the candidate of anarchy, Marxism, "anti-God," anti-gun, etc. Despite literal decades in the government that show he isn't that.

The ads are about scaring disaffected Republicans into voting for Trump "or else", it has nothing to do with trying to capture voter share from Biden.

I can’t speak for Lemon. He’s the one who referenced the concern for poll numbers. He’s at least mildly concerned about his candidate.

 

[Ndaccountant]

If the goal is to prevent substantial property damage, rioting, looting, i have zero issues with armed groups (particularly local) attempting to prevent that.

And had the rioters not been there, the kid isn't there. Its pretty simple.

And no, I dont support the death penalty but if those people happen to do dumb shit that gets them killed im not going to mourn that they are gone.

Vigilantism is not righteousness. It isn't his place to drive across the state border and stand guard with his gun. If you want to be mad that the local and state government didn't do more to quell the riots, I am fully aligned. But these ass clowns going with rifles against a mob of people that far out number them is just begging for trouble.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I didn't realize police could shoot someone slowly walking away from them and getting into his car at close range seven times in the back. Amazing they did not murder him. No weapon? In front of his kids? Can't use non-lethal methods? That's according to their training? I guess the policeman was "afraid for my life".

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/08/24/wisconsin-police-shooting-jacob-blake-orig.cnn

Still, let's see the body cams and if there was any weapon found. If this can't be justified, fire him and charge him.

There it is, again. No option but to use deadly force against an unarmed man. Officer discretion. More training. Internal investigation. No accountability. No community oversight. Union protection undoubtedly.

Because of all that lack of those possible interventions and systemic change, the only alternatives will be to fire him and try him for murder or manslaughter. The cop looked like he was balding. How much training do you think he needs?

Alternatives are limited to only firing and possibly bringing charges. To me this is worse than Floyd. In Minneapolis four cops dragged a bigger man than this slim black man out of a car, put him on the ground. In Atlanta, the cop could say the guy aimed a laser running away. This is more like the murder of Laquan McDonald in Chicago, who was walking away down the street.

Leave it up to the State Attorney and Grand Jury. Meanwhile, the fire once again and an expensive civil lawsuit.

Here you go. From NBC, so I hope that works for you. Gives more of info I alluded to earlier. I have seen even more detail elsewhere. I will let you do the search for the longer video showing most of what occurred prior to the officer firing shots.

I am not saying the police are in the right. I just wish people would wait for the facts. This country is no longer innocent until proven guilty.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-blake-was-near-knife-single-officer-n1238288

That's fine, if you post a video from 8/26 at 0300 of what they are telling the public at that time. Facts will emerge as investigations proceed. Is that the earliest you can find for these facts when my post on the details was on a full day earlier?

How does this relate to your statement on 08-25-2020, 11:59 PM?

I am not acting as the aggrieved. But such an accusation against another IE poster deserves some justification, which is easy to support or not. Let me know what you find.

Legacy, I guess you appear to be concerned about someone implying that you were intentionally lying or disregarding the facts at the exact time of your post. That's why you continue to insist on giving me something time posted before 8/25/20 at 11:59.

Who really cares?? You were wrong. You jumped to conclusions with little information and made incorrect assumptions, almost all proven to be wrong. I'm beyond tired of people, primarily on social media, taking a small snippet of a video and making blanket statements without letting the facts come out.

Now we have this incident being held up as almost a "straw that breaks the camels back" in regards to black injustice. Really?? People want to use this incident as their torchbearer?? A guy who had an arrest warrant, a guy who the cops were trying to arrest using non-lethal means including using a taser. A guy who was carrying a knife and headed back to his car. You want to second guess the cops in this case saying that they shouldn't have feared for their life? I guess you have that privilege. Tell that to the cops in this video who chose not shoot probably because this guy actually was unarmed, but back in the car was a gun.

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Yes, there is racial injustice.
Yes, blacks are routinely treated differently by police.
Yes, there is need for police reform.

Just don't hold up this incident as an example. If you want to argue he should've only been shot a couple of times, fine. Seven times would certainly seem to be excessive. But others have said that police are trained to fire until the threat has ceased. Is there a better way? I don't know.

 

[drayer54]

As did the teen, sooo.... your point?

The teen showed up to defend the community. The 3 victims showed up to stir chaos.
None should have been there. No sane person would seek out this environment.

The issue with the officer will be reviewed, and tried in court, if need be.

The young man who was way too immature and out of control to be there will get a day in court and tried by his peers.

I’m still not sure how many flagrant firearm violations existed here, but it is more proof gun-control didn’t work.

The logical disconnect for me is still present as to why people leap to outrage without the facts. I remember Ferguson where the media, athletes, and locals lost their minds over a hands up, don’t shoot narrative that was completely debunked. Jacob Blake never should have been shot, but he also never should have evaded police and apparently shouldn’t have even been on the scene. His record, the possibilities of justified force, and the entire nature of the event should be understood before we disrupt everything in our country in his honor.

 

[GowerND11]

Vigilantism is not righteousness. It isn't his place to drive across the state border and stand guard with his gun. If you want to be mad that the local and state government didn't do more to quell the riots, I am fully aligned. But these ass clowns going with rifles against a mob of people that far out number them is just begging for trouble.

That's a bingo!

 

[drayer54]

Vigilantism is not righteousness. It isn't his place to drive across the state border and stand guard with his gun. If you want to be mad that the local and state government didn't do more to quell the riots, I am fully aligned. But these ass clowns going with rifles against a mob of people that far out number them is just begging for trouble.

To be clear- he drove like 15 minutes. The state line this isn’t really a thing when you literally live on the border.

I would support good law-abiding people with arms defending businesses and innocent people where the police have surrendered the area. The rooftop Korean model, if you will.

This however, was insane. I’d argue some of these people were likely not looking to defend the innocent, but rather looking for a fight. People are angry, people are tired of the looting, arson, and destruction of good peoples property. I don’t blame the sentiment, but where the hell were his parents?

You’re in a much better position when you are defending against those seeking you out or bringing the threat to you. That said, we don’t know what he was doing before the peaceful molotv cocktail bearing protestor chased him. We don’t have the full story.

 

[yankeehater]

That's fine, if you post a video from 8/26 at 0300 of what they are telling the public at that time. Facts will emerge as investigations proceed. Is that the earliest you can find for these facts when my post on the details was on a full day earlier?

How does this relate to your statement on 08-25-2020, 11:59 PM?

I am not acting as the aggrieved. But such an accusation against another IE poster deserves some justification, which is easy to support or not. Let me know what you find.

Legacy, you are making my point me. You came on to IE and jumped to conclusions immediately based on very limited information. This is something you have done in the past and did it a couple of posts previously to the one I commented on. I am not a special pleader for the police or anyone. My concern is these rush to judgements perpetuate false narratives that continue on even when proven false i.e. "hands up don't shoot."

The media on both sides does it everyday. Everyone needs to be first I guess.

 

[yankeehater]

What does everyone think about the kid who shot the three during the riots in Kenosha? Was it self defense?

Where were his parents too? Legally carrying or not why was he allowed to head out that night?


*edit
Just noticed the conversation has been ongoing in regards to this incident.

 

[dublinirish]

What does everyone think about the kid who shot the three during the riots in Kenosha? Was it self defense?

Where were his parents too? Legally carrying or not why was he allowed to head out that night?


*edit
Just noticed the conversation has been ongoing in regards to this incident.

his mom drove him from Illinois to Kenosha and back FFS

 

[dublinirish]

Information on the three peaceful protestors shot in Kenosha-

Victim 1- a violent sex offender

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 3 shot (2 killed) in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kenosha?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kenosha</a>, Wisc. at the BLM riot have been identified. <br><br>Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, was the first one killed. Video allegedly shows him chasing teen shooter & throwing something at him. Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor. <a href="https://t.co/up1VgDyrgZ">pic.twitter.com/up1VgDyrgZ</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298833015548739587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Victim 2- Also a violent criminal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Anthony Huber, 26, was shot & killed in Kenosha, Wisc. at the BLM riot. He was filmed chasing down the armed teen and hitting him when he was on the ground with a skateboard. He has a criminal history that includes charges of battery & repeat domestic abuse. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KenoshaRiots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KenoshaRiots</a> <a href="https://t.co/1rvx7ltKKS">pic.twitter.com/1rvx7ltKKS</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298848184228143104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Victim 3- The one who survived but was armed with a pistol, which he was prohibited by law from having-
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The third who was shot (& survived) is Gaige Grosskreutz, 26. He's a member of the People’s Revolution Movement. He was filmed chasing after the teen w/a pistol. He was shot at close-range in the upper arm. He has a criminal record that includes being intoxicated & armed w/a gun. <a href="https://t.co/U9Q3R7pcPH">pic.twitter.com/U9Q3R7pcPH</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298851037982334976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


All of these were troublemakers who showed up to Kenosha for a fight.

A Fundraiser for Anthony Huber's family already has $86,000 in donations since his death and he's been lauded as a hero online by many BLM activists.

 

[Irishize]

At least they’re all masked up and it’s a mostly peaceful protest

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BLM march now going through the residential areas of Kenosha and they are trying to wake people up by chanting, using megaphones, and banging buckets. <a href="https://t.co/78wgKDGFxP">pic.twitter.com/78wgKDGFxP</a></p>— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) <a href="https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298847933211828225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[irishff1014]

Information on the three peaceful protestors shot in Kenosha-

Victim 1- a violent sex offender

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 3 shot (2 killed) in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kenosha?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kenosha</a>, Wisc. at the BLM riot have been identified. <br><br>Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, was the first one killed. Video allegedly shows him chasing teen shooter & throwing something at him. Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor. <a href="https://t.co/up1VgDyrgZ">pic.twitter.com/up1VgDyrgZ</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298833015548739587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Victim 2- Also a violent criminal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Anthony Huber, 26, was shot & killed in Kenosha, Wisc. at the BLM riot. He was filmed chasing down the armed teen and hitting him when he was on the ground with a skateboard. He has a criminal history that includes charges of battery & repeat domestic abuse. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KenoshaRiots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KenoshaRiots</a> <a href="https://t.co/1rvx7ltKKS">pic.twitter.com/1rvx7ltKKS</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298848184228143104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Victim 3- The one who survived but was armed with a pistol, which he was prohibited by law from having-
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The third who was shot (& survived) is Gaige Grosskreutz, 26. He's a member of the People’s Revolution Movement. He was filmed chasing after the teen w/a pistol. He was shot at close-range in the upper arm. He has a criminal record that includes being intoxicated & armed w/a gun. <a href="https://t.co/U9Q3R7pcPH">pic.twitter.com/U9Q3R7pcPH</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298851037982334976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


All of these were troublemakers who showed up to Kenosha for a fight.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

[Legacy]

I didn't realize police could shoot someone slowly walking away from them and getting into his car at close range seven times in the back. Amazing they did not murder him. No weapon? In front of his kids? Can't use non-lethal methods? That's according to their training? I guess the policeman was "afraid for my life".

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/08/24/wisconsin-police-shooting-jacob-blake-orig.cnn

Still, let's see the body cams and if there was any weapon found. If this can't be justified, fire him and charge him.

Legacy, you are making my point me. You came on to IE and jumped to conclusions immediately based on very limited information. This is something you have done in the past and did it a couple of posts previously to the one I commented on. I am not a special pleader for the police or anyone. My concern is these rush to judgements perpetuate false narratives that continue on even when proven false i.e. "hands up don't shoot."

The media on both sides does it everyday. Everyone needs to be first I guess.

'hater,
I thought you had nothing to back up your statement.

 

[TorontoGold]

At least they’re all masked up and it’s a mostly peaceful protest

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BLM march now going through the residential areas of Kenosha and they are trying to wake people up by chanting, using megaphones, and banging buckets. <a href="https://t.co/78wgKDGFxP">pic.twitter.com/78wgKDGFxP</a></p>— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) <a href="https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298847933211828225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tap dancing on a guy when a he got shot, stay classy dude.

 

[yankeehater]

his mom drove him from Illinois to Kenosha and back FFS

Was not aware of that! Parent of the year candidate.

 

[tussin]

At least they’re all masked up and it’s a mostly peaceful protest

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BLM march now going through the residential areas of Kenosha and they are trying to wake people up by chanting, using megaphones, and banging buckets. <a href="https://t.co/78wgKDGFxP">pic.twitter.com/78wgKDGFxP</a></p>— Julio Rosas (@Julio_Rosas11) <a href="https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298847933211828225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't really see an issue with any of these videos.

 

[drayer54]

I don't really see an issue with any of these videos.

It doesn’t take long for walking in the streets to evolve into what we saw in Minneapolis. These are not ALL peaceful people and this is how you get McCloskey situations with people who are not as smart and with self-control as the McCloskeys that escalate.

Where the hell are the police?

This is why gun-control should be dead on arrival.

 

[GowerND11]

It doesn’t take long for walking in the streets to evolve into what we saw in Minneapolis. These are not ALL peaceful people and this is how you get McCloskey situations with people who are not as smart and with self-control as the McCloskeys that escalate.

Where the hell are the police?

This is why gun-control should be dead on arrival.

Yeah, nothing like limiting the 1st Amendment with threats from the 2nd Amendment.

 

[dublinirish]

It doesn’t take long for walking in the streets to evolve into what we saw in Minneapolis. These are not ALL peaceful people and this is how you get McCloskey situations with people who are not as smart and with self-control as the McCloskeys that escalate.

Where the hell are the police?

This is why gun-control should be dead on arrival.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When Trump glorifies one, we inevitably get the other.<br><br>If you don’t see how uplifting the McCloskeys emboldens people like Kyle Rittenhouse then you’re not paying attention. <a href="https://t.co/lwpPRPYjAo">pic.twitter.com/lwpPRPYjAo</a></p>— Sen. Mike Gianaris (@SenGianaris) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenGianaris/status/1298691486700249093?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Legacy]

Legacy, I guess you appear to be concerned about someone implying that you were intentionally lying or disregarding the facts at the exact time of your post. That's why you continue to insist on giving me something time posted before 8/25/20 at 11:59.

Who really cares?? You were wrong. You jumped to conclusions with little information and made incorrect assumptions, almost all proven to be wrong. I'm beyond tired of people, primarily on social media, taking a small snippet of a video and making blanket statements without letting the facts come out.

Now we have this incident being held up as almost a "straw that breaks the camels back" in regards to black injustice. Really?? People want to use this incident as their torchbearer?? A guy who had an arrest warrant, a guy who the cops were trying to arrest using non-lethal means including using a taser. A guy who was carrying a knife and headed back to his car. You want to second guess the cops in this case saying that they shouldn't have feared for their life? I guess you have that privilege. Tell that to the cops in this video who chose not shoot probably because this guy actually was unarmed, but back in the car was a gun.

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Yes, there is racial injustice.
Yes, blacks are routinely treated differently by police.
Yes, there is need for police reform.

Just don't hold up this incident as an example. If you want to argue he should've only been shot a couple of times, fine. Seven times would certainly seem to be excessive. But others have said that police are trained to fire until the threat has ceased. Is there a better way? I don't know.

Miller,
We see a lot of generalizations by posters that I may or may not agree with, especially with the level and intensity that has fanned them.

I stand by mine then and now and examples of deadly use of force both in the last few months and prior. As far as the Kenosha cop,
- there was no evidence of a weapon being brandished
- resisting arrest was not apparent though Blake may have disobeyed an order
- whether Blake possessed a knife that was a danger to law enforcement is questionable
- clearly the cops were over their head in employing de-escalation techniques
- I have yet to see evidence of the felony warrant and the alleged crime
- in addition to de-escalation, non-deadly force such as takedowns or even waiting with a gun drawn on Blake with repeated orders and use of force when a weapon appeared would seem to proper technique and save a life
- seven f***ing rounds in the back with a police handgun? That was meant to kill.
- ballistics - we'll have to wait on what type of ammunition was used and if it's a hollow point meant to inflict maximum damage to organs, I think it's quite amazing Blake survived. I really doubted that he would.
- to put it simply, it looks like his abdominal cavity was exploded. The family attorney says that in addition to severing his spinal cord, bullets damaged his stomach, kidney and liver, and trauma surgeons had to remove nearly his entire colon and small intestine. The extent of any vascular or penetration into the pulmonary cavity damage may not have been a major concern after any initial repairs. The liver especially is very vascular and further bleeding may need to be addressed. As for the loss of virtually his entire digestive system he may get his nutrition IV for the rest of his life if he has nothing to absorb it with.
- the seven rounds possibly of hollow points must have been at such a close range that cluster was on the abdomen. Farther away, lung and cardiac trauma would have added to life-threatening damage.

All in all, the cop did not intend just to disable a possible threat but in his judgement he needed to kill.

If you want to know, all that went through my mind at the time as well as having a video that roared through the Internet on top of all the episodes we have seen. Amazing what trauma surgeons can do. .

 

[tussin]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When Trump glorifies one, we inevitably get the other.<br><br>If you don’t see how uplifting the McCloskeys emboldens people like Kyle Rittenhouse then you’re not paying attention. <a href="https://t.co/lwpPRPYjAo">pic.twitter.com/lwpPRPYjAo</a></p>— Sen. Mike Gianaris (@SenGianaris) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenGianaris/status/1298691486700249093?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

One is an adult standing on his own property in front of an angry mob. The other is an irresponsible, clueless child living out his CoD fantasies. Direct your anger towards the child's parents, not Trump.

 

[dublinirish]

One is an adult standing on his own property in front of an angry mob. The other is an irresponsible, clueless child living out his CoD fantasies. Direct your anger towards the child's parents, not Trump.

its always a lone wolf right

 

[NorthDakota]

Yeah, nothing like limiting the 1st Amendment with threats from the 2nd Amendment.

Nothing like conflating rioting, destroying property, and burning down a city with the 1st Amendment.

This isn't a dig on you btw because that's not at all what you said.. just an observation of a lot of the media.

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When Trump glorifies one, we inevitably get the other.<br><br>If you don’t see how uplifting the McCloskeys emboldens people like Kyle Rittenhouse then you’re not paying attention. <a href="https://t.co/lwpPRPYjAo">pic.twitter.com/lwpPRPYjAo</a></p>— Sen. Mike Gianaris (@SenGianaris) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenGianaris/status/1298691486700249093?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Much worse was this --
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The mob wants to destroy America.<br><br>We need PATRIOTS who will defend her.</p>— Rep. Matt Gaetz (@RepMattGaetz) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1298654901606780928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hard to not draw a direct line between this kind of rhetoric and a "Blue Lives Matter" activist grabbing a rifle and taking to the streets where he ends up shooting people who are part of the "mob."

 

[drayer54]

The McCloskeys were out eating when trespassing people rushed their private neighborhood and defended their property.

It was one of the first public instances of people defending themselves against madness and not getting looted or burned.

What likely excited and brought these people out with rifles was the 90 days of non-stop riot footage that has circulated with destruction in these cities. You see a whole lot of burning buildings, raided stores, unanswered 911 calls, people pulled from their vehicles and beaten, screamed at and mobbed in restraraunts, and victimized by people who have been purposely ignored by media outlets and democratic politicans who are making election decisions over peoples safety.

It wasn’t the McCloskeys that got people excited.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Yeah, nothing like limiting the 1st Amendment with threats from the 2nd Amendment.

Since when does the First Amendment protect anyone's right to terrorize citizens in their home, assault people, burn businesses, drag people from their cars and kick them, or try to intimidate people with the threat of violence into supporting your cause? Your statement is either the most ignorant interpretation of the First Amendment ever, or it's the most intentionally dishonest one I've heard in a while.

 

[ACamp1900]

Since when does the First Amendment protect anyone's right to terrorize citizens in their home, assault people, burn businesses, drag people from their cars and kick them, or try to intimidate people with the threat of violence into supporting your cause? Your statement is either the most ignorant interpretation of the First Amendment ever, or it's the most intentionally dishonest one I've heard in a while.

Lol this,... if we really do have Americans who think ‘people expressing their 1st amendment rights’ is the issue at this stage then there is a massive impasse going on.

 

[Irishize]

This is the most detailed account of the Kenosha incident. I believe this guy is a photo journalist w/ The NY Times.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A teenager faces charges in shootings that left 2 people dead in Kenosha, WI. The <a href="https://twitter.com/nytimes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nytimes</a> Visual Investigations team reviewed hours of livestreams to track 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse’s movements during and leading up to the shootings. [THREAD] <a href="https://t.co/FRCYlS5wgH">https://t.co/FRCYlS5wgH</a></p>— Christiaan Triebert (@trbrtc) <a href="https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irishize]

Tap dancing on a guy when a he got shot, stay classy dude.

great job as usual missing the point Gertrude

 

[Legacy]

The Wisconsin Law Enforcement Standards Board Policies and Procedures Manual details all the training every officer needs to complete annually to be certified. A seven year veteran who decided to put seven rounds at close range into a suspect should be very familiar with them and the Dept's policy on the appropriate use of deadly force.

In addition to Wisconsin's DOJ heading their investigation, the U.S. DOJ has launched a civil rights investigation led by the FBI in cooperation with the Wisconsin Division of Criminal Investigation and other state authorities. Prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office and the DOJ's Civil Rights Division will also oversee the investigation, at the request of the Kenosha County DA Michael Graveley.

Should Blake not need further surgeries, avoid complications like sepsis or internal bleeding and his kidneys function normally, after witness testimony including other officers, descriptions of internal damage, trauma surgeons detailing their findings and need to remove both small and large intestine, the trial will proceed with a paralyzed Blake who will be on IV nutrition for the rest of his life, being wheeled into the courtroom.