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Don Lemon thinks the riots should stop...not b/c of all the deaths & destruction but b/c of Biden’s poll numbers.

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Don Lemon thinks the riots should stop...not b/c of all the deaths & destruction but b/c of Biden’s poll numbers.

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Well, duh. Democrats denied and shrugged at the chaos because they believed it served them well. Once it doesn’t serve them well, they’ll change their tune.

This is a losing issue for the left. The Right owns the talking points because they are the only ones acknowledging it and pushing it. I am the social media advertising guy for a PAC and my ad designer said 80% of his business right now is riot ads. Wonder why?

If they pivot too aggressively, it will irritate the left wingers they need to vote who think calling 911 is a demonstration of privilege and that raiding a Gucci store is reparations.

Good luck!
 

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Don Lemon thinks the riots should stop...not b/c of all the deaths & destruction but b/c of Biden’s poll numbers.

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Well, duh. Democrats denied and shrugged at the chaos because they believed it served them well. Once it doesn’t serve them well, they’ll change their tune.

This is a losing issue for the left. The Right owns the talking points because they are the only ones acknowledging it and pushing it. I am the social media advertising guy for a PAC and my ad designer said 80% of his business right now is riot ads. Wonder why?

If they pivot too aggressively, it will irritate the left wingers they need to vote who think calling 911 is a demonstration of privilege and that raiding a Gucci store is reparations.

Good luck!

His poll numbers have been steady for 8 months, riots or no riots.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Yes, the Trump strategy is to paint Biden as the candidate of anarchy, Marxism, "anti-God," anti-gun, etc. Despite literal decades in the government that show he isn't that.

The ads are about scaring disaffected Republicans into voting for Trump "or else", it has nothing to do with trying to capture voter share from Biden.
 

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His poll numbers have been steady for 8 months, riots or no riots.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Yes, the Trump strategy is to paint Biden as the candidate of anarchy, Marxism, "anti-God," anti-gun, etc. Despite literal decades in the government that show he isn't that.

The ads are about scaring disaffected Republicans into voting for Trump "or else", it has nothing to do with trying to capture voter share from Biden.

Biden wants to get rid of AR-15's... that's anti-gun. The other stuff you can make a case for but that's all the evidence one needs to call someone anti-gun.
 

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Yes, the Trump strategy is to paint Biden as the candidate of anarchy, Marxism, "anti-God," anti-gun, etc. Despite literal decades in the government that show he isn't that.

He's objectively running one of the most progressive campaigns in modern history. He's also a dead person and nothing more than a figurehead... Kamala is already planning his state funeral. This is really a question of Trump vs. Kamala IMO.

Re: Kamala... does she believe in... anything? She, like Trump only in the opposite direction, seems to support whatever policy position secures her more power.
 

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I do my research. I do not appreciate either being called dishonest nor that I am a liar as well as your implications. So post that information with your source that was available to me when I posted. I do see that Don Jr passed along Andy Ngo's "research", which I shall put in italics until verified. My first post was 8/24/20 at 5 pm.

After the original post, my posts on the 25th were on issues our society face with Comey's quotes and information on decertification and its use.

Here you go. From NBC, so I hope that works for you. Gives more of info I alluded to earlier. I have seen even more detail elsewhere. I will let you do the search for the longer video showing most of what occurred prior to the officer firing shots.

I am not saying the police are in the right. I just wish people would wait for the facts. This country is no longer innocent until proven guilty.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-blake-was-near-knife-single-officer-n1238288
 
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Here is something regarding use of deadly force. I read a lot about where the suspect was shot, or armed or not and amount of shots fired. As long as there is an imminent threat., i.e. a knife or reaching into a car, the officer can then use force especially when the suspect is not following any commands. Once the officer deems the suspect an imminent threat, they fire until the suspect is no longer a threat.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/10/1047.7
 

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Yes, the Trump strategy is to paint Biden as the candidate of anarchy, Marxism, "anti-God," anti-gun, etc. Despite literal decades in the government that show he isn't that.

Biden himself may not be, but he's now the official face of the party that certainly is.
 

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Biden himself may not be, but he's now the official face of the party that certainly is.

I'm sorry, but these are the comments that need to stop. It's simply not true that Democrats universally are what you say they are. You saying this is no better than Democrats equating support for the Republican party means you are a white supremacist. The only people that "win" with these comments are the ones on the extreme ends of each platform.
 

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Here you go. From NBC, so I hope that works for you. Gives more of info I alluded to earlier. I have seen even more detail elsewhere. I will let you do the search for the longer video showing most of what occurred prior to the officer firing shots.

I am not saying the police are in the right. I just wish people would wait for the facts. This country is no longer innocent until proven guilty.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-blake-was-near-knife-single-officer-n1238288

And this is a pretty big issue with a lot of these cases. There is so much information that is either being left out of the media reports or hasn’t been accounted for due to the ongoing investigations. Heck, we’re still finding out important information about the Breonna Taylor investigation. And yet, we have already destroyed a city and in the court of public opinion this one is over.

On a separate note. Let me say, the situation can be very tragic and sad without being race/hate related. It can be tragic without being blatant disregard for life. Not saying that’s the situation here, that certainly needs more understanding. But, in some of these situations, as the story unfolds, it’s less race and hate related than how it’s initially portrayed.

The difficult reality is that there is and will be violent confrontations with police officers and civilians. And that includes civilians of all races. In a perfect world that’s not the case. But we don’t live in a perfect world. Should we strive to be better? Most certainly. Should we burn, loot, riot and destroy cities because of it? That doesn’t solve anything.

Lastly, it seems like too much of a coincidence that this is coming up again in an election year. Especially given the numbers. They don’t suggest this is a negative trend, at all. According to the Washington Post database of fatal police shootings, in 2015, 38 unarmed black people were killed. That’s compared to 14 in 2019. In fact, they’ve gone lower every year since 2017 and at this rate will be lower for full year 2020 (currently stand at 8). Seems like a positive trend. If you include all police killings it was 258 black people killed in 2015, 250 in 2019, and 123 so far this year.

Now, of course 0 is the right number. But, in the absence of 0 being realistic, does that trend warrant this response? And WTF does that have to do with the election. Trump wasn’t the President in 2015.
 
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Biden himself may not be, but he's now the official face of the party that certainly is.

I'm sorry, but these are the comments that need to stop. It's simply not true that Democrats universally are what you say they are. You saying this is no better than Democrats equating support for the Republican party means you are a white supremacist. The only people that "win" with these comments are the ones on the extreme ends of each platform.

I'm a democrat. I fucking love guns. I also don't believe any civilian should be able to own weapons meant for the military, even if they're the civilian models.

Yes, I realize I'm a "Fudd." Just learned that term about a month ago.
 

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And this is a pretty big issue with a lot of these cases. There is so much information that is either being left out of the media reports or hasn’t been accounted for due to the ongoing investigations. Heck, we’re still finding out important information about the Breonna Taylor investigation. And yet, we have already destroyed a city and in the court of public opinion this one is over.

On a separate note. Let me say, the situation can be very tragic and sad without being race/hate related. It can be tragic without being blatant disregard for life. Not saying that’s the situation here, that certainly needs more understanding. But, in some of these situations, as the story unfolds, it’s less race and hate related than how it’s initially portrayed.

The difficult reality is that there is and will be violent confrontations with police officers and civilians. And that includes civilians of all races. In a perfect world that’s not the case. But we don’t live in a perfect world. Should we strive to be better? Most certainly. Should we burn, loot, riot and destroy cities because of it? That doesn’t solve anything.

Lastly, it seems like too much of a coincidence that this is coming up again in an election year. Especially given the numbers. They don’t suggest this is a negative trend, at all. According to the Washington Post database of fatal police shootings, in 2015, 38 unarmed black people were killed. That’s compared to 14 in 2019. In fact, they’ve gone lower every year since 2017 and at this rate will be lower for full year 2020 (currently stand at 8). Seems like a positive trend. If you include all police killings it was 258 black people killed in 2015, 250 in 2019, and 123 so far this year.

Now, of course 0 is the right number. But, in the absence of 0 being realistic, does that trend warrant this response? And WTF does that have to do with the election. Trump wasn’t the President in 2015.

Excellent points. The radicals want to throw due process out the window, but you can bet they would call "BS" and want due process if it was them in hot water.
 

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He's objectively running one of the most progressive campaigns in modern history. He's also a dead person and nothing more than a figurehead... Kamala is already planning his state funeral. This is really a question of Trump vs. Kamala IMO.

Re: Kamala... does she believe in... anything? She, like Trump only in the opposite direction, seems to support whatever policy position secures her more power.

Yeah, and that doesn't mean he is any of those laughable tags Trump tries to throw on him except maybe the "anti-gun" one, and that's a huge stretch when you look at what he actually wants.

His platform is capitalist and pro-small business; he's preaching unity and police accountability which is what will actually stop these riots; he's the candidate that actually attends church; etc.

The smears are lazy and generally only work on low information or low IQ voters. He's trying to convince disaffected Republicans that the shit show they've watched for four years is still better than a make believe dystopia.
 

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Yeah, and that doesn't mean he is any of those laughable tags Trump tries to throw on him except maybe the "anti-gun" one, and that's a huge stretch when you look at what he actually wants.

His platform is capitalist and pro-small business; he's preaching unity and police accountability which is what will actually stop these riots; he's the candidate that actually attends church; etc.

The smears are lazy and generally only work on low information or low IQ voters. He's trying to convince disaffected Republicans that the shit show they've watched for four years is still better than a make believe dystopia.

OK Rachel Maddow
 

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Yeah, and that doesn't mean he is any of those laughable tags Trump tries to throw on him except maybe the "anti-gun" one, and that's a huge stretch when you look at what he actually wants.

His platform is capitalist and pro-small business; he's preaching unity and police accountability which is what will actually stop these riots; he's the candidate that actually attends church; etc.

The smears are lazy and generally only work on low information or low IQ voters. He's trying to convince disaffected Republicans that the shit show they've watched for four years is still better than a make believe dystopia.

isnt this who wins elections though?
 

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isnt this who wins elections though?

Yeah, it's about turning out your base. That's why Trump demoted his campaign manager and has been going with the same tactic since July -- scare your base into thinking the other side will ruin their way of life so that they don't sit out this election.

It might work, it might not, but it was his only play.
 

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Yeah, and that doesn't mean he is any of those laughable tags Trump tries to throw on him except maybe the "anti-gun" one, and that's a huge stretch when you look at what he actually wants.

His platform is capitalist and pro-small business; he's preaching unity and police accountability which is what will actually stop these riots; he's the candidate that actually attends church; etc.

What specific policy proposals of Biden's would you consider to be decidedly "capitalist and pro-small business"?

Biden is also specifically attributing these shootings to systemic racism (without full knowledge of the cases). If anything, he has fully embraced identity politics of the left and is essentially fanning the flames of racial tension at this point. He refuses to take a hard line stance on the rioting and looting. You are naive if you think that a "message of unity and police accountability" from an 80 year old white dude will magically make the riots stop. The only thing that is stopping this is federal and local authorities in the streets arresting criminals.
 

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Information on the three peaceful protestors shot in Kenosha-

Victim 1- a violent sex offender

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 3 shot (2 killed) in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kenosha?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kenosha</a>, Wisc. at the BLM riot have been identified. <br><br>Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, was the first one killed. Video allegedly shows him chasing teen shooter & throwing something at him. Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor. <a href="https://t.co/up1VgDyrgZ">pic.twitter.com/up1VgDyrgZ</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298833015548739587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Victim 2- Also a violent criminal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Anthony Huber, 26, was shot & killed in Kenosha, Wisc. at the BLM riot. He was filmed chasing down the armed teen and hitting him when he was on the ground with a skateboard. He has a criminal history that includes charges of battery & repeat domestic abuse. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KenoshaRiots?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KenoshaRiots</a> <a href="https://t.co/1rvx7ltKKS">pic.twitter.com/1rvx7ltKKS</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298848184228143104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Victim 3- The one who survived but was armed with a pistol, which he was prohibited by law from having-
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The third who was shot (& survived) is Gaige Grosskreutz, 26. He's a member of the People’s Revolution Movement. He was filmed chasing after the teen w/a pistol. He was shot at close-range in the upper arm. He has a criminal record that includes being intoxicated & armed w/a gun. <a href="https://t.co/U9Q3R7pcPH">pic.twitter.com/U9Q3R7pcPH</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298851037982334976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


All of these were troublemakers who showed up to Kenosha for a fight.
 

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Here you go. From NBC, so I hope that works for you. Gives more of info I alluded to earlier. I have seen even more detail elsewhere. I will let you do the search for the longer video showing most of what occurred prior to the officer firing shots.

I am not saying the police are in the right. I just wish people would wait for the facts. This country is no longer innocent until proven guilty.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-blake-was-near-knife-single-officer-n1238288

That's fine, if you post a video from 8/26 at 0300 of what they are telling the public at that time. Facts will emerge as investigations proceed. Is that the earliest you can find for these facts when my post on the details was on a full day earlier?

How does this relate to your statement on 08-25-2020, 11:59 PM?
Legacy, I am not sure how much research you do before posting, but you seem to be either intentionally or not be devoid of facts.
I am not acting as the aggrieved. But such an accusation against another IE poster deserves some justification, which is easy to support or not. Let me know what you find.
 

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As did the teen, sooo.... your point?

Whether the kid was justified or not is a legal question that will be answered in time.

But it's a factual statement that one group (rioters) bear a greater responsibility than the "militia" groups that form opposite them.

If you show up somewhere looking to burn down a city, you don't get to act surprised when others show up and seek to prevent that. To my knowledge, suburban Wisconsin isn't exactly known for right-wing groups roaming the streets.

While every death is a tragedy, we can take some solace in the fact that the world has one less sex offender and one less violent felon capable of harming innocent parties.
 

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Whether the kid was justified or not is a legal question that will be answered in time.

But it's a factual statement that one group (rioters) bear a greater responsibility than the "militia" groups that form opposite them.

If you show up somewhere looking to burn down a city, you don't get to act surprised when others show up and seek to prevent that. To my knowledge, suburban Wisconsin isn't exactly known for right-wing groups roaming the streets.

While every death is a tragedy, we can take some solace in the fact that the world has one less sex offender and one less violent felon capable of harming innocent parties.

It's a freaking mob situation. In what world is a bunch of people (in this case a teen) carrying around a S.A rifle going to help that situation? It makes a terrible situation worse. It wasn't even his property. Him traveling there is no better/worse than people being bused in for the "protests".

So, death penalty to all sex offenders and felons then?
 

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All of these were troublemakers who showed up to Kenosha for a fight.

As did the teen, sooo.... your point?

Which is why everyone should agree that Kenosha should give full power and support to authorities (federal, state, local) to shut down these riots. Literally nothing good comes from radicals clashing on the street.

The kid should go to jail, the rioters should be arrested and likely go to jail. This isn't that hard to figure out.
 
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Which is why everyone should agree that Kenosha should give full power and support to authorities (federal, state, local) to shut down these riots. Literally nothing good comes from radicals clashing on the street.

maybe we should hold police accountable first
 

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It's a freaking mob situation. In what world is a bunch of people (in this case a teen) carrying around a S.A rifle going to help that situation? It makes a terrible situation worse. It wasn't even his property. Him traveling there is no better/worse than people being bused in for the "protests".

So, death penalty to all sex offenders and felons then?

If the goal is to prevent substantial property damage, rioting, looting, i have zero issues with armed groups (particularly local) attempting to prevent that.

And had the rioters not been there, the kid isn't there. Its pretty simple.

And no, I dont support the death penalty but if those people happen to do dumb shit that gets them killed im not going to mourn that they are gone.
 

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maybe we should hold police accountable first

How exactly?

The Wisconsin DOJ is actively investigating the Jacob Blake shooting and the cop is on leave. Derek Chauvin has been charged with murder.

What do you want to see except accountability for the individual cops that commit crimes? A public execution?
 
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