Police State USA

[drayer54]

Here come's the Gub'ment

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NOW: <a href="https://twitter.com/CBP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBP</a> Predator Drone <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CPB104?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CPB104</a> circling over Minneapolis at 20K feet. Took off from Grand Forks Air Force Base. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Minneapolisprotests?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Minneapolisprotests</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/surveillance?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#surveillance</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/planespotting?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#planespotting</a> <a href="https://t.co/hVYF4GXe1Y">pic.twitter.com/hVYF4GXe1Y</a></p>— Jason Paladino (@jason_paladino) <a href="https://twitter.com/jason_paladino/status/1266399916978507779?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NDRock]

Let's be factual here. The so called "right wingers" you're talking about were all dems 50s years ago... They jumped over as single issue voters when the dems became "progressive" on things like guns and immigration.

And neither McVeigh or Crusius (mall shooter) were fans of republicans. McVeigh was getting vengeance for Ruby Ridge and Waco. Ruby Ridge happened under Bush, and Waco just a month or so after Bush. It was all about Fed power. Crusius criticized both Dems and Repubs equally for allowing big business to import labor.

And neither of their violence was condoned or excused by mainstream or true conservatives.

Seemed like they jumped ship over the civil rights movement more than anything else.

 

[Irish YJ]

Here come's the Gub'ment

I wonder which flavor.... With Hellfires, or without.

 

[NorthDakota]

Here come's the Gub'ment

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NOW: <a href="https://twitter.com/CBP?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBP</a> Predator Drone <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CPB104?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CPB104</a> circling over Minneapolis at 20K feet. Took off from Grand Forks Air Force Base. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Minneapolisprotests?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Minneapolisprotests</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/surveillance?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#surveillance</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/planespotting?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#planespotting</a> <a href="https://t.co/hVYF4GXe1Y">pic.twitter.com/hVYF4GXe1Y</a></p>— Jason Paladino (@jason_paladino) <a href="https://twitter.com/jason_paladino/status/1266399916978507779?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hell yeah Grand Forks! My birthplace.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Seemed like they jumped ship over the civil rights movement more than anything else.

My experience/memory is that the biggest thing that caused a mass exodus from the Dems to the Reps was McGovern and the radical pivot left of the party around the late 60's and early 70's. They felt the party abandoned them and their traditional values and became the party of hippies and socialists. It was like what Reagan said about how he didn't leave the Democrat party, it left him. Civil rights was a big issue only for the hardcore Billy Joe Jim Bob Redneck type.

 

[TorontoGold]

You all do realize that Timothy McVeigh blew up a federal building to protest law enforcement violence?

Also, the working premise of the entire “white nationalist” movement is to engage in proactive and or reactionary violence in protest against an oppressive and unresponsive government.

So yeah, the idea that “right wingers” don’t engage in violence to protest real or perceived state violence and. more specifically violence against “white people” is baloney. I mean that was the basic premise the gunman who showed up at that mall to “kill Mexicans” was operating under.

Showing up to an government office shoving their guns in a police officers face is peaceful protesting. Funny enough, a couple bad protesters ruins the whole movement in their opinion. Since it's been made political by YJ's need to bring up Dems/GOP it's kind of ironic that Trump was willing to say "good people on both sides" but cant even acknowledge the heinous killing without lumping it in with a dog whistle to shoot his own citizens.

 

[Irish YJ]

Seemed like they jumped ship over the civil rights movement more than anything else.

The civil rights movement was a mixed bag, but Dems were still seen as the racist party by most...

Civil Rights act of 1957 was approved 43-0 by the GOP, but only 29-18 by Dems.
Civil Rights act of 1960 was 29-0 for the GOP vs 42-18 by Dems.
Civil Right Act of 1964 was 27–6 by GOP and 46–21 Dems.
Voting Rights Act of 1965 Republicans 30-2 vs Democrats 47-16
Civil Rights Act of 1968 was 29–3 GOP and 42–17 Dems

So through all the big "Acts" over the 11 years, you had 90 votes by the Dems against the Acts, and only 11 by the GOP against the Acts.

I'd also add that it was Earl Warren (GOP) who as SCOTUS after stints as CA Gov, DA, AG, led the fight against segregation in it's many forms through the 50s and 60s.

 

[Irish YJ]

Showing up to an government office shoving their guns in a police officers face is peaceful protesting. Funny enough, a couple bad protesters ruins the whole movement in their opinion. Since it's been made political by YJ's need to bring up Dems/GOP it's kind of ironic that Trump was willing to say "good people on both sides" but cant even acknowledge the heinous killing without lumping it in with a dog whistle to shoot his own citizens.

Show me a vid where the armed protesters were shoving their guns in police officers faces? There's plenty of vids out there, and I have not seen that... You don't need to embellish..

And... It's not just a couple of bad protesters. It's funny how the daytime protesters are pretty peaceful, somewhat organized, etc... but a different crowd shows up late.... All kinds of scenes of "protesters" carrying cases and bottle of booze. Looked more like a party than a protest. And more than a "few" bad actors looted Target...

Trump acknowledged the killing, asked that folks not dishonor Floyd's memory, and condemned looting and setting fires... What's bad about that. Can you not condemn both bads? Does one bad make another bad acceptable?

And sorry, but I'm not making it political. It was already political as hell. Watching CNN and MSNBC blame just about everything on Trump.... it's hilarious. It's a highly liberal town with 50 years of dem mayors and a minority Chief of Police. Trump has nothing to do with this.

I personally condemned this and the Arbery incident immediately. That doesn't mean I have to except violence from people who likely don't give a shit about the true cause. But sure....., looting liquor stores and Targets will help the situation. Sure, setting fire to low cost housing being built for the poor will help the situation....

Quit being a hack... Never heard your answer about Timpa and Shaver??

 

[NorthDakota]

Showing up to an government office shoving their guns in a police officers face is peaceful protesting. Funny enough, a couple bad protesters ruins the whole movement in their opinion. Since it's been made political by YJ's need to bring up Dems/GOP it's kind of ironic that Trump was willing to say "good people on both sides" but cant even acknowledge the heinous killing without lumping it in with a dog whistle to shoot his own citizens.

Holy shit this is a galaxy brain level bad post.

You are making Canada look bad.

 

[NDRock]

The civil rights movement was a mixed bag, but Dems were still seen as the racist party by most...

Civil Rights act of 1957 was approved 43-0 by the GOP, but only 29-18 by Dems.
Civil Rights act of 1960 was 29-0 for the GOP vs 42-18 by Dems.
Civil Right Act of 1964 was 27–6 by GOP and 46–21 Dems.
Voting Rights Act of 1965 Republicans 30-2 vs Democrats 47-16
Civil Rights Act of 1968 was 29–3 GOP and 42–17 Dems

So through all the big "Acts" over the 11 years, you had 90 votes by the Dems against the Acts, and only 11 by the GOP against the Acts.

I'd also add that it was Earl Warren (GOP) who as SCOTUS after stints as CA Gov, DA, AG, led the fight against segregation in it's many forms through the 50s and 60s.

Hell, even LBJ knew it at the time (if he actually said it). He famously said they delivered the south to the Republicans after signing one of the civil rights act (forget which one).

 

[Irishize]

Hell, even LBJ knew it at the time (if he actually said it). He famously said they delivered the south to the Republicans after signing one of the civil rights act (forget which one).

He allegedly said a lot worse when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964...but it was basically to correct what he predicted in what you cited in your post.

 

[TorontoGold]

Show me a vid where the armed protesters were shoving their guns in police officers faces? There's plenty of vids out there, and I have not seen that... You don't need to embellish..

And... It's not just a couple of bad protesters. It's funny how the daytime protesters are pretty peaceful, somewhat organized, etc... but a different crowd shows up late.... All kinds of scenes of "protesters" carrying cases and bottle of booze. Looked more like a party than a protest. And more than a "few" bad actors looted Target...

Trump acknowledged the killing, asked that folks not dishonor Floyd's memory, and condemned looting and setting fires... What's bad about that. Can you not condemn both bads? Does one bad make another bad acceptable?

And sorry, but I'm not making it political. It was already political as hell. Watching CNN and MSNBC blame just about everything on Trump.... it's hilarious. It's a highly liberal town with 50 years of dem mayors and a minority Chief of Police. Trump has nothing to do with this.

I personally condemned this and the Arbery incident immediately. That doesn't mean I have to except violence from people who likely don't give a shit about the true cause. But sure....., looting liquor stores and Targets will help the situation. Sure, setting fire to low cost housing being built for the poor will help the situation....

Quit being a hack... Never heard your answer about Timpa and Shaver??

Not sure why you always use "...." or "..", you stroking out, bud? There's more than enough of video's out there regarding the Michigan stuff.

Ok, I'll break it down for you big boy. Trump including his lootin and shootin line in that tweet negates his grand gesture of "acknowledging". Boy, what a low that you're proud he acknowledged it.

Literally, no one, in this thread was bringing up right vs left, it was pretty universal in that it's more of killing unarmed black guy in the streets issue. What does CNN or MSNBC have anything to do with this at all? Are you not able to digest news from other sources, or is it some sick pleasure to put those channels on?

The fact is, this issue has not been addressed by Dems/GOP's to the sufficient levels to curb it in any meaningful way. The looting is a very bad move, I don't like it at all, I think it takes away from everything. I think the looting should be addressed separately from the movement as knowledgeable people know that it isn't representative of the movement.

 

[Irish YJ]

Hell, even LBJ knew it at the time (if he actually said it). He famously said they delivered the south to the Republicans after signing one of the civil rights act (forget which one).

That quote is likely a myth...

And even if LBJ actually said something close (which I doubt given all the facts), it was wrong... The dems still easily held the South through the 70s and most of the 80s. It wasn't until the late 80s or early 90s that a GOP presidential candidates started doing halfway decent in the South. Hell, dems controlled both chambers in Bama until 2010... GA didn't get it's first GOP gov till 2002. And no Republican U.S. Senator from Louisiana until 2004. Republicans won the state senate in North Carolina for the first time in 2010.

Don't believe all the myths out there....

 

[Irish YJ]

Not sure why you always use "...." or "..", you stroking out, bud? There's more than enough of video's out there regarding the Michigan stuff.

Ok, I'll break it down for you big boy. Trump including his lootin and shootin line in that tweet negates his grand gesture of "acknowledging". Boy, what a low that you're proud he acknowledged it.

Literally, no one, in this thread was bringing up right vs left, it was pretty universal in that it's more of killing unarmed black guy in the streets issue. What does CNN or MSNBC have anything to do with this at all? Are you not able to digest news from other sources, or is it some sick pleasure to put those channels on?

The fact is, this issue has not been addressed by Dems/GOP's to the sufficient levels to curb it in any meaningful way. The looting is a very bad move, I don't like it at all, I think it takes away from everything. I think the looting should be addressed separately from the movement as knowledgeable people know that it isn't representative of the movement.

The .... and ... is secret code that we use as Canadian dog whistles.

You got called out for agreeing with a post that condoned looting and violent behavior... Don't try to change your tune now to appear affable.

And sorry if you can't handle more than one aspect at a time (looting/violence and bad police). Still waiting on a Shaver/Timpa response... I'll wait for the vid of the rednecks sticking their guns in cops faces too.

BTW, this is the "political" side of the forum. It's where politics are part of the conversation.

 

[TorontoGold]

The .... and ... is secret code that we use as Canadian dog whistles.

You got called out for agreeing with a post that condoned looting and violent behavior... Don't try to change your tune now to appear affable.

And sorry if you can't handle more than one aspect at a time (looting/violence and bad police). Still waiting on a Shaver/Timpa response...

BTW, this is the "political" side of the forum. It's where politics are part of the conversation.

We only send our brightest and best out to internet ND forums (grew up with a ton of ND fans just outside of Toronto).

I'm really not sure Bluto was condoning looting and shooting. Or if you're referencing IrishLion's post that agreed with? I interpreted the post as understanding of the anger that these people have. Not sure either are really Pro-Looting.

One of my really good friends actually has the same name (Dan Shaver), and we still talk at length about how awful it was. I didn't remember the name of the Timpa incident, but after watching the video I remember when that happened and wondering what the fuck was going on. So I guess, my answer to you is.....yeah those are also bad and furthers my point reform is needed?

I know you know why there wasn't looting or large protests after those incidents, the simple reason is that the black community faces more racism on a daily basis.

 

[IrishLion]

We only send our brightest and best out to internet ND forums (grew up with a ton of ND fans just outside of Toronto).

I'm really not sure Bluto was condoning looting and shooting. Or if you're referencing IrishLion's post that agreed with? I interpreted the post as understanding of the anger that these people have. Not sure either are really Pro-Looting.

One of my really good friends actually has the same name (Dan Shaver), and we still talk at length about how awful it was. I didn't remember the name of the Timpa incident, but after watching the video I remember when that happened and wondering what the fuck was going on. So I guess, my answer to you is.....yeah those are also bad and furthers my point reform is needed?

I know you know why there wasn't looting or large protests after those incidents, the simple reason is that the black community faces more racism on a daily basis.

You got me.

I'm not pro-looting. It's an easy out for people to disregard the true issue.

But I understand if the black community feels like there's no other outlet for their anger/frustration/fear than to riot and burn and throw rocks through windows (I don't understand the inclination to steal from stores, but it's okay if Target takes an L on the bottom line imo [and for the love of god try to leave the small businesses alone]).

Everyone says "this isn't the way to accomplish what you want to accomplish"... but then there's always an excuse as to why the next method is wrong, too.

 

[Irish YJ]

We only send our brightest and best out to internet ND forums (grew up with a ton of ND fans just outside of Toronto).

I'm really not sure Bluto was condoning looting and shooting. Or if you're referencing IrishLion's post that agreed with? I interpreted the post as understanding of the anger that these people have. Not sure either are really Pro-Looting.

One of my really good friends actually has the same name (Dan Shaver), and we still talk at length about how awful it was. I didn't remember the name of the Timpa incident, but after watching the video I remember when that happened and wondering what the fuck was going on. So I guess, my answer to you is.....yeah those are also bad and furthers my point reform is needed?

I know you know why there wasn't looting or large protests after those incidents, the simple reason is that the black community faces more racism on a daily basis.

Everybody agrees here that reform/change is needed. That's not the debate. It's the acceptance of looting/violence in response, the hypocrisy, and the automatic assumption it's always a race issue (race baiting).

 

[Wild Bill]

We only send our brightest and best out to internet ND forums (grew up with a ton of ND fans just outside of Toronto).

I'm really not sure Bluto was condoning looting and shooting. Or if you're referencing IrishLion's post that agreed with? I interpreted the post as understanding of the anger that these people have. Not sure either are really Pro-Looting.

One of my really good friends actually has the same name (Dan Shaver), and we still talk at length about how awful it was. I didn't remember the name of the Timpa incident, but after watching the video I remember when that happened and wondering what the fuck was going on. So I guess, my answer to you is.....yeah those are also bad and furthers my point reform is needed?

I know you know why there wasn't looting or large protests after those incidents, the simple reason is that the black community faces more racism on a daily basis.

Are you suggesting the rioting and looting is moreso a punishment for whites than it is a catalyst for reform?

 

[TorontoGold]

Are you suggesting the rioting and looting is moreso a punishment for whites than it is a catalyst for reform?

Not sure how you got to there, I'm not saying anything about punishment for white people?

My interpretation of why there's riots/protests for the George Floyd incident is because of the of racism that the black community has faced, and the killing of Floyd set off that powder keg.

 

[Irishize]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Black community in MN is calling out white Antifa members for starting the riots and destroying their communities. I keep telling y’all these white liberals are not our friends. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Democrats?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Democrats</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GeorgeFloyd?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GeorgeFloyd</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/minneapolis?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#minneapolis</a> <a href="https://t.co/bmdT6uHfUc">pic.twitter.com/bmdT6uHfUc</a></p>— Angela Stanton King &#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; (@theangiestanton) <a href="https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1266481829592399872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish YJ]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Black community in MN is calling out white Antifa members for starting the riots and destroying their communities. I keep telling y’all these white liberals are not our friends. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Democrats?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Democrats</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GeorgeFloyd?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GeorgeFloyd</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/minneapolis?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#minneapolis</a> <a href="https://t.co/bmdT6uHfUc">pic.twitter.com/bmdT6uHfUc</a></p>— Angela Stanton King ���� (@theangiestanton) <a href="https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1266481829592399872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You could definitely see folks that looked like ANTIFA in the live shots last night.

While I do think there is probably a group of them there, as well as some other outside forces, there were still a lot of obvious locals doing dumb shit like looting the Target and the two LQ stores. Regardless, ANTIFA doesn't care about Floyd. They only care about their cause/narrative.

The timing is interesting though. Van Jones from CNN said this

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CNN’s Van Jones on threats to blacks: “It is not the racist white person who is in the KKK that we have to worry about. It is the white liberal Hillary Clinton supporter walking her dog in Central Park ... she weaponized race like she had been trained by the Aryan nation” <a href="https://t.co/g1gp3k7aFt">pic.twitter.com/g1gp3k7aFt</a></p>— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1266387411644215296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[tommyIRISH23]

lol at ANTIFA. I think we can all agree they're a bunch of clowns.

 

[Irish YJ]

lol at ANTIFA. I think we can all agree they're a bunch of clowns.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Autopsy came back. Victim didnt die from strangulation or asphyxiation. Apparently advanced coronary disease and hypertension along with "possible intoxicants" contributed to his death along with being arrested. Big problems....

 

[calvegas04]

lol at ANTIFA. I think we can all agree they're a bunch of clowns.

a terrorist group on par with the kkk

 

[Irish YJ]

Autopsy came back. Victim didnt die from strangulation or asphyxiation. Apparently advanced coronary disease and hypertension along with "possible intoxicants" contributed to his death along with being arrested. Big problems....

IMO, doesn't matter.

from Fox

An official autopsy revealed nothing to support strangulation as the cause of death, concluding that the combined effects of being restrained, potential intoxicants in Floyd’s system and his underlying health issues, including heart disease, likely contributed to his death.

The "combined" effects is just about all they need. Sprinkle on top of that that he pleaded that he couldn't breath yet the cops did nothing..... I don't see big problems. Then put the cherry on top that the same cop has 10+ complaints against him already... NorthDakota could easily win that.

 

[Irish YJ]

Curfew now in effect

 

[TorontoGold]

IMO, doesn't matter.

from Fox



The "combined" effects is just about all they need. Sprinkle on top of that that he pleaded that he couldn't breath yet the cops did nothing..... I don't see big problems. Then put the cherry on top that the same cop has 10+ complaints against him already... NorthDakota could easily win that.

This post sums the legal side of it perfectly IMO. (Wait it's from YJ...boooooo

 

[Sea Turtle]

IMO, doesn't matter.

from Fox



The "combined" effects is just about all they need. Sprinkle on top of that that he pleaded that he couldn't breath yet the cops did nothing..... I don't see big problems. Then put the cherry on top that the same cop has 10+ complaints against him already... NorthDakota could easily win that.

Its a pretty big problem. The cop did not strangle him. It literally changes everything.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

IMO, doesn't matter.

from Fox



The "combined" effects is just about all they need. Sprinkle on top of that that he pleaded that he couldn't breath yet the cops did nothing..... I don't see big problems. Then put the cherry on top that the same cop has 10+ complaints against him already... NorthDakota could easily win that.

It went from a slam dunk to somewhat murky. All a defense attorney has to do is argue that the victim was at risk time bomb and bring up whatever substance was in the vics system and all bets are off. For the reasons you stated...a federal civil rights violation sounds a little more convictable.